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IBM: We'll Stand Up To NSA

IBM denies sharing customer information with U.S. government, asserts it would challenge any data demands through "judicial action or other means."

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AnthonyLiving11
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4/1/2014 | 4:07:12 AM
i dont get it
I'm sorry but does this mean that IBM will give free access to their servers to NSA? I don't get why there's still privacy/security term in most of the websites. There's no such thing anymore..
J_Brandt
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3/28/2014 | 2:42:29 PM
Trust is Gone
In an era where even talking about the government "requests" gets you in trouble, it's hard to take IBM or anyone else seriously.  Trust has been broken in a major way and may never be earned back.
asksqn
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3/27/2014 | 4:00:25 PM
Government for sale
The really funny thing about IBMs adamant denial of cooperating with the NSA is that (like Google and Yahoo) it is lying.  Snowden himself revealed that Prism was the program responsible for warrantless spying on Americans.  If industry wants to heal the trust issue consumers have rightly called out, then it should pay its pet politicians to call off the NSA.  The US has the best govt money can buy, after all.
KevinO442
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3/19/2014 | 3:28:32 PM
Re: If you don't buy our servers, we won't buy yours.
"Still, with GCHQ and NSA leaning over everyone, is there any part of the world that's that safe from government oversight? "

Will you buy a replacement microsoft computer next year , knowing microsoft is legally required by USA Law to help NSA spy on you if they so choose ? Or will  you spend a little time looking around for alternatives ? How about a phone made in the USA ? How about a "streaming google stick" that streams TV from the internet to your TV (and thus knows everything you're watching ) ?


USA is going to take a big economic hit , and all sorts of corperations that would normally be edged out of the market due to the microsoft monopoly , for example , will have their day. And governments are already starting to look at more local internets , just for their own country.

The trust in the USA is gone, and 10 months of Obama giving the world his middle finger instead of working to solve it doesn't help win anything back. Fisa Section 702 makes it legal for the USA (in their opinion) to spy on every non-american in the whole wide world. But I think the rest of the world has a different opinion.

Someone figured they would never get caught. And that is always a mistake.

My only regret is that I'm a Canadian , and Canada was little more than a lap dog to NSA the whole time.
Whoopty
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3/19/2014 | 10:54:14 AM
Re: If you don't buy our servers, we won't buy yours.
I wonder if that will end up being the gold standard of hardware in the future? Perhaps we'll see labelling along the lines of food that says it was produced locally. Still, with GCHQ and NSA leaning over everyone, is there any part of the world that's that safe from government oversight? 
Ariella
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3/18/2014 | 7:59:15 PM
Re: If you don't buy our servers, we won't buy yours.
@Kevin0442 I agree, but do you think it's likely to happen?
Lorna Garey
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3/18/2014 | 6:32:55 PM
Re: If you don't buy our servers, we won't buy yours.
Good point, Doug. Hardware back doors are probably a whole other column!
D. Henschen
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3/18/2014 | 6:27:42 PM
Re: If you don't buy our servers, we won't buy yours.
CORRECTION: IBM only unloaded its X86 business. IBM still manufactures System Z mainframes and Power System servers. These were always the big money makers to begin with.
KevinO442
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3/18/2014 | 5:54:00 PM
Re: If you don't buy our servers, we won't buy yours.
All "secure servers" for use by the local governments need to be manufactured locally. (within that same country).  It's really the only solution because countries like China won't hesitate to build in a back door if they ever become part of a contract for some foreign countries government utilized netowrk.
KevinO442
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3/18/2014 | 5:46:06 PM
Resistance is Futile
You live in a country where they've already kicked in the door with FBI agents once and demanded the keys or they'll arrest everyone in sight.

 

Your statement should be , more accurately "IBM : We'll Stand Up to NSA only until the start arresting us... "

 And , of course, since you are legally required to deny (or technically "not to disclose" ) your cooperation with the NSA , your letter denying you ever told them anything means nothing. You'd be sending the exact same letter whether you did or you didn't.

 
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