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India Tells U.S.: H-1B Process Too Slow

Authorities lodge U.S. Trade department complaint, say immigration process for tech workers is overly cumbersome.

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Indian authorities have lodged a complaint with the U.S. Department of Trade, maintaining that the process for foreign nationals to obtain H-1B work visas is too cumbersome and that rejection rates are approaching all-time highs.

"Uptake of H-1B visas this year is less than half of the annual prescribed limit and the rejection rates have gone up," said Indian commerce and industry minister Anand Sharma, who spoke at an economic forum in Washington, D.C.

H-1B visas are good for three years, and can be renewed for an additional three-year term, for a total of six years. Currently fewer than half of the 65,000 H-1B visas available from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) for the upcoming federal fiscal year, which starts Oct. 1, have been applied for, even though the application window opened April 1. That's down 30% from the application rate at the same time last year.

Sharma said he would ask his U.S. counterparts for measures that would help streamline the application process, which can take several months to a year. India benefits from the program in that its workers often return home after working at U.S. tech firms with experience that helps indigenous companies.

[Groups that represent tech workers oppose easing visa rules. Read Microsoft IT Hiring Problems Bogus, Say Programmers.]

Some U.S. officials have also expressed concerns that obtaining H-1B visas is too difficult and that the process hurts the American economy.

"In today's global marketplace, we cannot afford to keep turning away those with skills that our country needs to grow and to succeed," said New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, at a recent speech sponsored by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Partnership for a New American Economy. "I've called it national suicide--and I really think it is."

Bloomberg cited a number of studies that he said showed that immigrants working in high-tech fields help to create jobs for Americans through investments, entrepreneurship, and by helping U.S. companies become more competitive globally. "These high-skill workers will not only help create thousands of jobs, they'll also give us knowledge of foreign markets that will help U.S. businesses increase their exports."

Bloomberg said the United States risks losing top global talent to countries like China, India, Canada, and Chile, all of which have instituted programs designed to make it easier for high-tech professionals to immigrate. His comments echo calls for immigration reform by executives at major U.S. tech firms, including Microsoft.

The software maker says it has thousands of open positions it can't fill because it's unable to find workers with the right skills. Microsoft recently opened an office in Vancouver, Canada, with an eye to providing a base for overseas workers who are unable to obtain an H-1B visa or green card.

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DConroy
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10/15/2011 | 5:36:26 PM
re: India Tells U.S.: H-1B Process Too Slow
Arguing against the Bloombergian-replace-an-American-with-a-foreign-national pod-person crowd is like arguing auto-theft ...

... where you are forced to debate the thieves, and their cohorts all the way down the feeding-chain, and the preceding, thief, benefactors, and useful-idiots alike, are heavily funded by the crime-lords and their lobbies, via the G«ˇtakeG«÷.

Death-By-Foreign-National is not laissez-faire.

Death-By-Foreign-National is not free-market.

MNCs' [/media/and academia] are not [supposed to be] in charge of U.S. immigration.

Visas such as H-1b, should be immediately suspended. MILLIONS of our better paying jobs would be instantly RETURNED, to Americans, in America.

HOW can anyone speak of returning jobs to Americans, while they ignore, or worse, lobby for, the CONTINUED replacement of MILLIONS of Americans, in American offices and worksites, with foreign nationals?

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MUMBAI: US diplomat Peter Haas, recently appointed consul-general in Mumbai, stressed the importance of people-to-people contact in Indo-US ties.

US-India people-to-people connections are more powerful than any government initiative, said Haas. "While 8 lakh Americans travel to India each year, the US issues half a million non-immigration visas to Indians yearly," he said adding that Indian citizens formed the largest group of people to be issued H1B and L visas by the US over the last year.

End Article.

H-1b, L-1s, OPT, J-1, B-1, lotteries, green-cards, and on and on, and on, and on, it is no longer enough to stand as a nation and compete with the world-at-large, but no, the world at large will be brought to you, so that you may compete with them in your own offices and worksites...

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The J-1 student work-travel program was created in 1961 to offer work opportunities and cultural enrichment for foreign students, and in the process, create goodwill ambassadors for the United States.

But the kids arenG«÷t working in professional settings that complement their studies.

TheyG«÷re toiling in warehouses for huge companies such as HersheyG«÷s, which have laid off hundreds of workers, and resorts, from Disney World to MoreyG«÷s Pier in Wildwood, and for much lower wages than Americans earned doing the same tasks.

ItG«÷s a great deal for U.S. companies, because they donG«÷t have to pay payroll taxes, Social Security or health insurance for J-1s.

One Spring Lake staffing company even has a nifty calculator to help businesses compare the costs of hiring J-1 vs. American workers.

End Article.

We should also revoke some or all green-cards, RETURNING a MASSIVE number of jobs, for Americans, in American.

And then there is the issue of sending our jobs offshore, often implemented by those brought to our country on visa, or those having become a green-card holder, who then coordinate the shipping of entire departments, knowledge-bases, and ultimately, entire industries, out of our country.

And what of, low to medium wage jobs? We can look towards our wide-open borders, and consider the traitors that advocate a nation without enforcement of its own borders, its laws, and disinterest in its own sovereign best-interest, survival.

And yes, it is Americans who have facilitated this betrayal of Americans, by corporations, supported by a sold-out government and press.
Cyka
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10/15/2011 | 11:46:18 PM
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Exuse my ignorance, but I completely forgot, since when India controls and coordinates the U.S. internal affairs, have such influence over the State Department? I still remember the time when back in the earlier 80s 'till mid 80s people from Bangalor, almost single handedly put the U.S. Nuclear Industry out of business by sucking it dry. They are very perceptive when it concerns money in large quantities. And how about our university graduates, who cannot find engineering jobs in the industries, as aerospace, computers, and other hitech fields, when they are filled by funny speaking part-time immigrants?
Our not so wise politicians and leaders completely forgot the lessons of history. It is time, when we have to put a stop on the bleeding of our technological advances, whatever left
out of them, over to India and China, because those outsource brains from there, are
transferring all our knowledge back to their countries, India and China. Please, stop to
undermine our true growth, and past glory! We have enough of our own brains to work
successfully in any hitech field, as how we have put man on the moon, back in 60s,
and, by the way pay taxes back to our own country! Do not destroy our middle class,
in order to help India and China growth!
rlawson346
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10/15/2011 | 11:50:56 PM
re: India Tells U.S.: H-1B Process Too Slow
I would like to direct "India Incorporated" to our new H-1b complaint department: http://www.ahajokes.com/crt829...
Tronman
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10/17/2011 | 5:52:32 PM
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The only problem with the H-1B program is that it exists.
Reasonable
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10/17/2011 | 6:03:58 PM
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"India benefits from the program in that its workers often return home after working at U.S. tech firms with experience that helps indigenous companies."

Should the U.S. be accepting inexperienced H-1Bs?

Leo Regulus
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10/17/2011 | 6:06:40 PM
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Hmmmm......... India wants to 'dump' it's 'top' talent? I would have thought that they had plenty of room for their people in their massive call-centers that are supporting US based clients.
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10/17/2011 | 6:48:11 PM
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By all means, we should open the floodgates to H-1B visas so that the foreign best and brightest can work for us instead of their own country. We should lock out American workers unless they want to get in tune with their inner sweatshop worker. We should export the manufacturing of all the goods we designed to save costs and at the same time hope there will be no leakage of our IP that the H-1B visa holders helped develop and will magically forget when they return home. Let us keep American workers forever out of the loop in technical expertise and practical knowledge of manufacturing. A service economy is a strong economy and "do you want fries with that?" should be the words coming out of our college graduates.
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10/17/2011 | 7:32:02 PM
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The H1-B program should be put on IMMEDIATE, INDEFINITE HALT. We have engineers HERE in the US without jobs and people graduating from school that can't find jobs. H1-B is SUPPOSED to be only when there are people we CAN NOT FIND here!!!

>>>India benefits from the program in that its workers often return home after working at
>>>U.S. tech firms with experience that helps indigenous companies.

So much for sending people that have skills that US companies need. This line alone points to the fact that India is sending INEXPERIENCED WORKERS here to LEARN and take their expertise BACK so THEY can compete with US...

THIS MUST STOP or there will eventually be a REAL REVOLUTION here in the US.

MICROSOFT is one of the BIGGEST DEMONS of all. They SAY they have thousands of jobs, but I know people they won't even look at, yet they have hired INDIANS on H1B with FAR LESS EXPERIENCE. They (MICROSOFT) should be taken down BIG TIME...

SUPPORT THE US, NOT SOME OTHER COUNTRY.
John80224
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10/17/2011 | 9:26:46 PM
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"Uptake of H-1B visas this year is less than half of the annual prescribed limit and the rejection rates have gone up," said Indian commerce and industry minister Anand Sharma

It is a maximum, not a minimum quota required to be met, Anand. As to rejection rates, why were they so low before? It seems to me that itG«÷s one of three reasons: 1) the rules were somehow recently made more stringent, 2) the rules are somehow now being less followed or 3) the existing rules are finally being more closely monitored. Point 1 is the closest to unfair, yet fully within the rights of the granting nation to determine their own rules for who without rights to enter is granted them. Point 2 would be oneG«÷s own fault. Point 3 is most likely and perhaps most damaging to the complainer. It implies that because youG«÷ve gotten away with something before, youG«÷re entitled to continue to.

G«£H-1B visas are good for three years, and can be renewed for an additional three-year term, for a total of six yearsG«•

And (unless things have changed) extended annually in many cases while awaiting Green Card.

G«£India benefits from the program in that its workers often return home after working at U.S. tech firms with experience that helps indigenous companies.G«•

And by immediately creating more jobs through using H-1bG«÷s as business analysts who forward requirements off-shore.

And one more thing to consider: India is the biggest user of H-1bs and has been for much if not all of the time since the visaG«÷s inception. It is the loudest external voice in the program. And Bloomberg, et. al. keep telling us opening immigration is just short of the only thing that can create jobs. Yet the way India predominantly uses the visa (outsourcing / IT services) is the most questioned use of the visa as a job creator v. taker. OK, so thatG«÷s all rehashing what we already are told / see, etc.

HereG«÷s the kickerG«™despite IndiaG«÷s runaway position as the visaG«÷s top user my (admittedly brief) search only found Sun Microsystems as an example of top / hottest immigrant-founded companies founded by an Indian and that was also co-founded by a German. It seems to me that the program needs to be policed even further before you tell me itG«÷s primary use is job creation and not cheap labor.

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11/4/2011 | 11:00:17 PM
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It will take violent protest to get political power brokers to sit up and take notice. While in the early plans to destroy the middle class - the people occupying the executive suites and board rooms of corporate America should have also set aside more money for personal protection... Perhaps the execs can hire Indian H1Bs bodyguards for that service at an affordable price.
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3/2/2012 | 4:41:18 PM
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giavellireport.com ....

Estimate of H-1B Population G«Ű H-1B Genocide of American Software Workers Continues in 2011

CIS has reported that in 2011 the number of foreign scab labor with fake degrees and shoddy resumes used to replace highly educated American software engineers increased to 291,412. This puts the total number of H-1Bs who are allowed to stay in the USA up to ten years at almost three million. Additionally when you count the number of H-1Bs who convert to green card status the number is well above four million. 85,000 non-exempt visas are issued every year and every year that number is reached easily, and an additional 200,000+ visas are issued by exempt institutions like universities.

A nation that imports hundreds of thousands of foreign scab laborers during the worst recession in its history deserves nothing less than total economic collapse. A vulture society predicated on total greed cannot be sustained. Sending hundreds of thousands of American software engineers to their deaths or a life of poverty or forcing them out of the profession for which they trained and studied hard is a outrage. Its a horrific evil on our society and something for which Americans if they had a clue that it was happening (which the federal reserve controlled media does NOT allow reporting on this story so they do not) would be outraged ashamed and horrified.

Indian authorities have lodged a complaint with the U.S. Department of Trade, maintaining that the process for foreign nationals to obtain H-1B work visas is too cumbersome and that rejection rates are approaching all-time highs.

G«£Uptake of H-1B visas this year is less than half of the annual prescribed limit and the rejection rates have gone up,G«• said Indian commerce and industry minister Anand Sharma, who spoke at an economic forum in Washington, D.C.

The US is rejecting visa applications because more than 80% of them are utterly fraudulent.

G«£In todayG«÷s global marketplace, we cannot afford [to Employ our hard working citizens] to keep turning away those with [fake degrees] skills that our country needs to [throw american software engineers into the streets to die] grow and to succeed,G«• said New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Microsoft says it has thousands of open positions it canG«÷t fill because itG«÷s unable to find workers with good enough fake resumes to get past UCIS. G«£Look, Uncle BennyG«÷s University is a very good school. Many Microsofties went there. Sure itG«÷s a room over a curry den and sure their bachelors degree only takes two weeks, but they give us the recruits we need to make quality products like VistaG«• Microsoft recently opened an office in Vancouver, Canada, with an eye to providing a base for overseas workers who are unable to obtain an H-1B visa or green card because they have fake degrees and fake resumes.

Onward America plunge to your doom. Elect SORG while you are at it. Give the bankers another 30 trillion. what the hey? This sham of a nation is only going to last another five years anyways.
DennisL486
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From: Rajesh Kumar Ramachandran (Collabera)
Subject: Listen to me A******!!
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 20:49:20 -0700 (PDT)

Now listen carefully to me a******.. dont just bark around in the corner like a rabies stricken stray dog about your pathetic views about politics and jobs. If your insecure about your skills and abilities thats your f****** problem not Indians or any other politicians.. Well you want me to provoke you well then hear this, we are gonna take all your jobs away.. we gonna make sure that you dont even have money to buy s*** and eat, we gonna take evrything thatwas yours. we gonna drape the Statue of Liberty with a saree (you dont know wahta saree iis, well its a dress which Indian women wear).. now get your f****** stinking face out of here A******!!!!!

DennisL486
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1/31/2014 | 3:36:27 PM
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Companies ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor

Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
Circuit City - Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
Computer Associates - Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
Deloitte - 2010 - this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
Dell - call center (closed in India)
Delta call centers (closed in India)
Fannie Mae - Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
HP - Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can't compete with Apple's tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for 'Asian' talent!
HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas - which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
Medicare - Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
MyNines - A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America's VC $ down the drain.
PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
PepsiCo - Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi' watch.
Polycom - Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
Qantas - See AirBus above
Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
SAP - Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
State of Texas failed IBM project.
Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
UK's NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
Union Bank of California - Cancelled Finacle project run by India's InfoSys in 2011.
United - call center (closed in India)
Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

I could post the whole list here but I don't want to crash any servers.
sneedly
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3/2/2012 | 4:48:51 PM
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How can India spare its brilliant engineers with all their top selling operating systems and software products?
DennisL486
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1/31/2014 | 3:35:22 PM
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Does the US gov't represent the citizens of the US or does it represent unemployed masses in India who need a US job to stay employed. Tell India to go take a hike and create its own jobs. We owe these losers nothing.
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STAY HOME VISA
ha ha ha ha, that's funny...we're so sorry H1B's, we're going to immediately remedy this situation so that your guest worker experience into the U.S. can be expedited and made as painless as possible for you...what complete idiots..."best and brightest"...????...is this a joke ?  GO HOME VISA, AND STAY HOME, STAY OUT OF THE U.S. RAJA !!!!
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