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Oracle Accused Of Lies, Extortion By N.J. University
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D. Henschen
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12/16/2011 | 2:58:18 PM
re: Oracle Accused Of Lies, Extortion By N.J. University
Would you have signed that contract? Was the project's failure a matter of "lies" or an unrealistic plan that a rookie CIO could have spotted? What's your view?
Jason Sharp
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12/16/2011 | 7:33:41 PM
re: Oracle Accused Of Lies, Extortion By N.J. University
I would not have signed it, nor would I have recommended anyone to do so. A clue that resonates here for me is the all too common theme of "severe strain on its already limited resources". i.e. there are too little internal staff skills and bandwidth to evaluate, manage, and see through such an ordeal.

The old mindset of "nobody gets fired for buying IBM [or MSFT or Oracle]" is struggling against the reality that organizations don't have the ability to cushion such a large scale failure or delay--both all too common. And if the implementation is ultimately successful, it sapped too much from the budget pool and leadership momentum for other needed projects. With the growing lack of internal skills and bandwidth, stories like this are sadly a continuing trend.

Indeed, I agree completely with the tips to avoid such predicaments. Phased implementation is key, as boiling the ocean sounds good in the abstracted boardroom but is recipe for DOA at the implementation level.
SOLBLACK
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12/16/2011 | 9:35:09 PM
re: Oracle Accused Of Lies, Extortion By N.J. University
Sounds like Oracle MO!
Oh yea they will walk off site of a job in a second!
Instead of Oracle admitting it can't do the job they will take the money.
They will be in court for awhile.
Tom F. Randall
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12/17/2011 | 3:00:12 AM
re: Oracle Accused Of Lies, Extortion By N.J. University
This is quite unfortunate for all parties, especially the students who would have benefited from an improved information system to manage their matriculation. The funds and time that will be used by both parties to engage in this lawsuit could have probably covered this misinterpretation and meetings of the minds to produce the customizations needed to make the system effective. If Oracle's divisions were more integrated, they could have easily made up the difference in their maintenance fees over the next few months.

A large scale and complex implementation like PeopleSoft is never going to occur in 25 months. Universities often lack enough trained staff and resources to provide development support while continuing to maintain existing operations and systems. Training and development will consume most of the time. Staff need the training to know how an out-of-box system works in order to redesign or adapt to the new systems. They also need an intimate understanding of their existing processes and how their functions can be altered. In addition to a cadre of contractors for the coding, facilities and management, I would dedicate at least one-quarter of all university staff resources in HR/Payroll, Procurement/Accounting, Departmental Academic Staff, and IT to implement any PeopleSoft solution.

It appears that pragmatism and skepticism are no longer part of IT project management. The engineering cycle is far too compressed, and by necessity, there is always a need to hurry and scurry. We need to implement technology before it becomes stale and obsolete, which was by the way, yesterday.
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12/18/2011 | 7:19:54 PM
re: Oracle Accused Of Lies, Extortion By N.J. University
Although this all sounds like standard practice for Oracle, I agree that it is a common story in ERP, or any other large IT project implementation. The internal project management/change management is almost always the culprit. When it all goes wrong, the internal team blames the technology with some "we didn't know that the sales people were trying to sell things" explanation.
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12/18/2011 | 7:46:19 PM
re: Oracle Accused Of Lies, Extortion By N.J. University
This has to at least partially fall on the University's due diligence.

"According to MSU's complaint, the project scope included Oracle's PeopleSoft Financial Management System, Human Capital Management, Hyperion budgeting and planning software, CRM and Campus Solutions, Oracle Data Warehouse and Analytics, and the Oracle Enterprise Portal. The negotiated implementation time for all these technologies was 25 months."

- Anyone remotely familiar with ERP implementations would have raised a red flag at implementing half of that in 25 months. Oracle's interest is to sell as much software as possible as quickly as possible. For an external validation of Oracle's plan, the University relied on... Oracle (Consulting). If they had IBM as the consultancy, for instance, they would have probably told them to break this into smaller projects.

"Oracle, including an assertion that "95% of the University's more than 3,200 business requirements were satisfied by its base [PeopleSoft] system." MSU later found that the software "did not contain all of the critical functionality which Oracle had represented it would contain."

- That is the oldest and most well known software sales pitch in the book. Sure, if you release an RFP with common functional requirements, Oracle is going to say we support that (whatever it is) natively. The internal team or an external party without a financial interest in the project needs to validate that the general line item functional requirements on an RFP meet the nuances of their particular processes. Reason number 1,243 why internally developed RFPs create more problems than they solve.
ANON1242834577420
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12/20/2011 | 5:13:54 PM
re: Oracle Accused Of Lies, Extortion By N.J. University
I own a small network security business. I can make the same accusation about Oracle fraudulently representing a piece of SW to us. The amount was significantly less than NJU's dispute, but the injurious loss to us was significantly damaging. The Oracle salesperson gave us the sales pitch and promises of what the SW could do. We even checked it out with personnel up the ladder from the salesperson, a director and a vice president. They all assured and promised that the SW would work for our intended purposes.

To make a long story short -- in the end, we paid for the SW (you have to, or they won't activate it), it did NOT work as they promised; it was of no use to us; and all they had to say was, "Gee, that's too bad." They simply dropped off the map with no further responses to us. Our only recourse would have bee to sue. Remember, I said we are a small company. Our available resources weren't even close to adequate to begin such a lawsuit against the mighty Oracle. They would have in turn wiped us off the map with hardly a flick of a lawyer's finger. We lost. The bully won, and it wasn't even lunch money to them -- it meant a lot to us.

Is it any wonder that when I see the Oracle yacht out playing in the boiling ocean waters that my blood also boils!?
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12/25/2011 | 6:03:47 AM
re: Oracle Accused Of Lies, Extortion By N.J. University
I have seen very few honest proposals in my 40+ years in IT. Although some are reasonable and can be followed. The large companies now days, its a laugh to expect that they will even come close to telling you the truth. What you really need is a boatload of people to advise you on how much you can trust them to deliver on their promises. On the other hand I have seen one or two companies come in and tell the management fire this person or that or a few as "they know who will be a good resource for the vendor and will not be". Don't expect the vendor to be honest with you as they will lie cheat and steal you blind. Any numbers they come up with look at it as a bold face lie and get your own numbers and then pad. Also realize that huge projects are a moving target. Try not to hit a moving target or expect $$ to go out the window.


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