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Charlie Babcock
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Charlie Babcock,
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5/1/2014 | 7:05:30 PM
A good reason to fix this bug...
The statement that this XP bug was fixed isn't really logical. It says the fix was authorized because the bug occurred so near the end of XP's life. Well, an end of life deadline is just that, unless there's a good reason not to follow through. In this case, as in the next one, the reason to fix a bug is because so many people are still using the operating system. 
Banickoss
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Banickoss,
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5/1/2014 | 7:12:39 PM
Remind me again why Internet Explorer, itself, has anything to do with the Windows XP OS?
As we all know from our experience where Microsoft Marketing faked the courtroom proceedings, Internet Explorer has nothing, per se, to do with Windows XP. No browser, not Chrome, not Firefox, not Opera, not Safari, etc., is considered part of the operating system.

So, given that IE itself is simply an application, why wouldn't Microsoft patch a buggy application which is used by millions of its customers? The answer provided by Microsoft (that it's associated with the operating system) just doesn't hold water. As a professional in the software industry, I can symphathize with Microsoft's dilemma that Windows 7 & 8 don't offer enough value to entice half its users to switch, but, that's a different problem altogether than whether or not a browser application, which has nothing to do with the operating system, is to be patched.


Luckily, the advice stands to simply use Chrome or Firefox, and to dual boot Windows XP to Linux (typically Ubuntu), which, in and of itself, solves both problems immediately.
SaneIT
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SaneIT,
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5/2/2014 | 9:17:55 AM
Re: Remind me again why Internet Explorer, itself, has anything to do with the Windows XP OS?
On the note of dual booting and running a *nix distribution, I would like to see numbers on how many Linux or BSD users are on a 15 year old release.  The same goes for OSX, how many users are sitting on a decade old version?  Why is it that Windows users will sit on an OS version seemingly forever?  Is it the cost of an OS upgrade?  Is it that things tend to break during upgrades?  How can Microsoft get the average Windows user to upgrade at the same pace that the average OSX or *nix user upgrades? 
Banacek
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Banacek,
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5/2/2014 | 12:40:40 PM
Re: Remind me again why Internet Explorer, itself, has anything to do with the Windows XP OS?
"No browser, not Chrome, not Firefox, not Opera, not Safari, etc., is considered part of the operating system."

Well, there you are wrong. As any knowledgable OS X user will tell you, Safari is a part of the OS. It comes with the OS. You can't really remove it. You can 'not use' it, but you could just as easily not use IE.

But, more importantly, Safari's engine, WebKit, IS a part of the OS, just like IE's engine is a part of Windows. It is used in many applications, and most people have no clue it is. For example, it's used to display mail content. And it is just as bad in OS X as it is in Windows. Because updating the browser to a new version (say go from Safari 4 to Safari 5) updates the OK because it updates Webkit (even though it doesn't have to, but Apple's people are too lazy to do it right). Which means, updating the browser literally can affect how your mail program views messages!

Oh, and you can get rid of IE from windows, big deal (sure, MS didn't want to because they wanted the market share for some reason). But you can't get rid of the engine without breaking a LOT of code.
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5/2/2014 | 12:53:55 PM
Re: Remind me again why Internet Explorer, itself, has anything to do with the Windows XP OS?
Reasons why Windows XP users don't upgrade: (1) Cost, as you suggested, in dollars.  (2) Cost in time.  (3) Complexity - Does this pass the "Can my mom do this?" test?  Believe it or not, most PC users are NOT IT professionals and, particularly at home, don't have access to them.  (4) Risk of something not working afterwards.  If everything (seems) to be fine now, why would a user willingly spend time and money to do an upgrade that potentially will break their e-mail, games, or some other app (or hardware interface) that they really depend on?

When a PC OS upgrade is as easy as a phone app upgrade, then you'll see it happening.

 
TerryB
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TerryB,
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5/2/2014 | 1:36:09 PM
Re: Remind me again why Internet Explorer, itself, has anything to do with the Windows XP OS?
Outstanding answer to @saneIT. I might add that who, at least in Windows world, really cares about the o/s itself?  The o/s is an ends to a means, enables the real reasons you use a computer in first place. No one in history of computers ever bought one for the joys of logging on, saving a file and launching applications a certain way.

i/OS users are not much different than Win users, it's all about the apps with them also. Unix/Linux users, well that's a whole different breed. They love playing with that system stuff. That's one group that probably upgrades regularly just for the fun of it.  :-)
jagibbons
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5/2/2014 | 4:14:20 PM
Re: Remind me again why Internet Explorer, itself, has anything to do with the Windows XP OS?
Good points about the the non-geek users of the various OSs who just want it to work. While most of the flavors of OS X have been fairly seamless, there have been hardware jumps at certain stages. In addition to the time investment and perceived risk of applications not working, I think the hardware jump is a factor. I know a lot of what I'd call "average" computer users running XP because their old computers won't run Windows 7 or newer. There's a driver issue with one or more hardware components. Not everyone can afford or chooses to shell out dollars for a new computer every couple of years. For these folks, the PC is a tool, or a means, to get work done, not a end in an of itself.
moonwatcher
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5/3/2014 | 12:41:44 PM
Re: Remind me again why Internet Explorer, itself, has anything to do with the Windows XP OS?
SaneIT, You ask if Linux users would stick with a 13 year old O/S. Well, no, we don't have to. The upgrades are FREE, and backwardly compatible with all old hardware, so nothing breaks. (And the installs are painless overlays, not that hatchet job upgrading Windows can be). You can't say the same thing about upgrading from XP to 7 and definitely not from XP to 8.1.1 (many perfectly good PCs built in the circa 2006 time frame running Core 2 Duo processors will run Windows 7 just fine as long as they have enough RAM, but because Windows 8 requires a motherboard chip set supporting a security feature called DEP, for Data Execution Prevention, - which most motherboards of that time period do not support - it simply won't run). 

Microsoft should have either waited until the market share of Windows XP got below 8% to 10% before pulling the plug. It wouldn't have been that big of a deal then similar to when they pulled the plug on Windows 98 and Vista. 

Either that or as I have said many times before, they should have make Windows 7 Home Preimum (32-bit and 64-bit) available for a cheap price for those still running XP. Many would have done it for say $20 to $49, but they aren't going to pay $100 for a forced upgrade on a 6 to 8 year old PC. 

I have a Windows 8.1.1 box for running Solidworks, but I still use my XP box daily for iTunes, email, and streaming music. I'm dual booting it with Ubuntu Linux, and can use Ubuntu for Facebook and other more risky sites. It just works and is now so easy to set up and get all the necessary codecs for playing music and videos. You no longer need to be a command line geek to make it work. I would think that a big chunk of those 27% still running XP could switch to Ubuntu full time and be just fine. Unfortunately, iTunes doesn't run well on Ubuntu, even using Wine, so that is the main reason I stick with XP, until I break down and move my library to the Windows 8.1.1 box. 

BTW, I switched to Google Chrome on the XP box a LONG time ago. 
moonwatcher
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5/3/2014 | 12:53:05 PM
Re: A good reason to fix this bug...
Exactly, With up to 27% of all Internet connected PCs still running XP, they represent a potent force for malware to be used in Denial of Service attacks and other forms of bad mischief. Now that the users have seen Microsoft "blink", it is not unreasonable for them to think that Microsoft will CONTINUE to blink regarding serious holes in XP, not just Internet Explorer. In doing this, while mitigating the risk those PCs pose to the Internet, they might have sent exactly the WRONG message to the installed Windows XP user base. 

I'd like to see some Microsoft marketing genius on TV simply stating the obvious: That they recommend all Windows XP users to switch to Google Chrome, replace XP with Ubuntu, buy an Android or Apple iPad tablet to use instead, or hey, go buy a Mac. 

I'm not holding my breath...LOL.
Li Tan
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Li Tan,
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5/3/2014 | 10:04:25 PM
Re: A good reason to fix this bug...
I will keep my finger crossed and watch. MS delivered very clear message that Windows XP is EOL and this security patch is just an exception. But I think the real force resides in end-user community. If the end-user don't want to do upgrade or they start to merge to Linux or Mac, I don't think MS will be so strict on the policy - I am anticipating similar exceptions to be made in the near future. The real EOL of such an important OS cannot be simply claimed by just an announcement.
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