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Yammer And The Freemium Trap
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DSACKS941
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1/11/2012 | 6:47:59 PM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
Hi David - We appreciate your perspective on this, but as you could probably tell from your conversation with Wayne Shurts of SuperValu (http://bit.ly/zw23jV), CIOs are beginning to recognize that social is different. It requires voluntary participation -- you can't force people to share. Our customers understand that there is a huge benefit to having your employees organically choose and adopt their internal social network since their voluntary and enthusiastic participation is the key to success. We have countless examples of customers who have embraced this, including a large online retailer whose IT executives allowed employees to choose between Yammer and their existing solution (they chose Yammer). One of our largest customers initially chose a Yammer competitor but came to us two years later after millions of dollars and significant time spent in a failed attempt to push engagement. Because a voluntary Yammer network in a different geography was thriving, they came back to Yammer and ended up rolling it out company-wide on a short timeline with great success. You may remember that in 2010, Gartner predicted over 70 percent of IT-mandated social media initiatives will fail (http://www.gartner.com/it/page.... CIOs now see voluntary (viral) adoption as a way to set up a social initiative for success and the freemium model as a great way to de-risk the value proposition for them so they don't have to pay anything until the adoption of the product in their enterprise is proven.

Regards,

David Sacks
CEO, Yammer
David F. Carr
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1/12/2012 | 4:52:54 PM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
I asked Wayne Shurts at Supervalu what he would have done if his CEO had instructed him to shut down the Yammer collaboration space, rather than embracing it. His response was that he would have tried to convince his CEO that was a bad idea.

Shurts said he understood what I termed the "allergic reaction" some organization might have to finding out their employees are active on on unsanctioned collaboration service. "That's why we quickly moved to pay for the service and have it all safe," he said. "My advice, rather than fight it would be to embrace it, You're never going to stop people from talking, or sharing ideas, so be smart about it and embrace it."

Doing so has led to a "much more open style of communication and transparent style of leadership" that has benefited the company.

From that perspective, the companies who seek to shut down a Yammer instance might be making a mistake. But we all have the right to make our own mistakes, and I don't think your company's standard response to organizations that want to opt out is winning you any friends.
Lawrence De Voe
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1/11/2012 | 9:52:25 PM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
I can understand where these concerns are coming from, but in my own experience, Yammer's Freemium offering was a huge benefit. The model allowed us to run Yammer in pilot mode at no cost when we were considering an Enterprise Social Media platform for our business (and the momentum our Pilot created carried us forward through a successful Premium rollout).

There are a lot of technologies like this out there that can be misused: personal cell phones, iPads, email, photocopiers, Facebook, Google+, Dropbox, YouSendIt, etc. As a technology leader, if you discover that a significant segment of your business is deriving value from an unsanctioned technology offering, you've uncovered an opportunity. Either you have a corporate alternative in place and you have a chance to migrate these users into the corporate fold, or you have stakeholders and sponsors for a new project to help make your business more successful. The business landscape today is full of opportunities like this for us to do better as technology leaders.
Cynthia B
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1/12/2012 | 7:25:47 AM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
Benefits of Yammer aside, if a company does not want its employees on Yammer, all that the company needs to do is send an email to the employees banning Yammer, and then have someone - let's call him Bob the Destroyer - join @unfuncompany.com's network. Bob the Destroyer's job is to take names. You post to Yammer, you get fired.

I imagine that such an approach would swiftly kill the offending Yammer network.
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1/12/2012 | 8:12:04 AM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
An onther issue with the freemium account is that when an employee leaves a company he can still access the company Yammer-feed. Seen from a company perspective this can be quite scary, if some of your employees are to join your competitor, but still have access to all the information shared. In that case all you can do as a CIO is to hope that Yammer is only used for social talk and not business.
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1/12/2012 | 10:28:09 AM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
That's not true, In the Freemium version users are allowed to remove people who have left the organisation from their network
FZEBITZ250
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FZEBITZ250,
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1/12/2012 | 11:12:51 AM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
Thank you, that is good to hear.
David F. Carr
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1/12/2012 | 5:27:56 PM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
Their support organization told me there was no way to take administrative control and remove accounts. You have to convince the individuals to log in and remove their own posts and accounts. I did have someone tell me that if you make a big enough stink, you can eventually get Yammer to change its tune (see the post below quoting from a contact who works in the security-sensitive aerospace/defense industry)
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1/12/2012 | 11:18:53 PM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
Hello David et al -- I work at Yammer, and wanted to take a minute to clarify the user deletion / suspension process. When an employee leaves a freemium network, any user can suspend this former employee. Specifically, what happens is this user receives an email that says "your account was suspended, click here to reactivate." The employee then can reactivate, but only if he / she receives the email. If this employee doesn't have the company email anymore (which they shouldn't), the suspension will time out, and the user will be permanently deleted. As far as deleting the content that this user had produced -- we don't recommend doing that, because it defeats the purpose of Yammer being a knowledge repository. Actually a big use case for Yammer is getting implicit knowledge out of people's heads and email inboxes and into a digital space where others can benefit from it.

Of course, premium accounts have admin capabilities that allow the admin to delete the user manually, and even automatically provision / de-provision accounts via the AD Sync. This way, you don't even have to think about it.

Please let us know if you have any further questions! You can reach me at maria (at) yammer-inc.com, or our helpdesk at help (at) yammer.com. We are also available and listening in a variety of social channels.

- Maria Ogneva, head of community, Yammer
David F. Carr
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1/18/2012 | 5:42:16 PM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
Thank you for that clarification. It's good to know there is a mechanism for dealing with the former employee issue, as easy as making sure the email account is deleted. That was not clear to me.
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1/27/2012 | 7:21:29 PM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
You say any user can suspend accounts, but you fail to mention that you can only suspend 1 Account Per Month as an end user. Basically forcing you to pay in order to take 'real' control.
David F. Carr
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1/12/2012 | 11:22:11 PM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
To be clear, they told me there was no way as a non-paying customer to delete accounts as an admin.
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1/12/2012 | 1:00:55 PM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
Yammer is a good product, and in future business social networks like ApnaCircle, Viadeo etc will need to follow its path towards gaining more acceptance in the corporate world, besides exploring this area of revenue generation!
David F. Carr
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1/12/2012 | 4:41:04 PM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
Another perspective from one of my contacts on Google+: "We were one of the first to execute a complete shutdown within Yammer and it was initially resisted by the Yammer staff but we eventually prevailed in being removed from the system (with blocks to prevent reentry into the system). It is not a matter of being "easy" or "hard" for Yammer to execute this action - but rather their preference to keep a foothold in what may eventually become a "relationship." If they can be convinced that keeping that foothold will sour any potential future relationship, they will likely do the right thing and execute a cleanup of their service and a "shutdown" for your enterprise."
David F. Carr
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David F. Carr,
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1/12/2012 | 7:52:53 PM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
As a business strategy, the viral growth model seems to be working quite well for Yammer

http://www.marketwatch.com/sto...
Phoebe Shin Venkat
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1/18/2012 | 4:30:17 PM
re: Yammer And The Freemium Trap
The freemium version of Yammer was useful in being able to build momentum around enterprise social networking - it's very unlikely that our president and other key stakeholders would have approved to pay for yammer if he was not able to view employee usage and product features. I understand there's concern about sharing confidential information, but that issue exists across all types of communications vehicles. I could start a private group on LinkedIn (or any other relevant platform) and share confidential information with all types of folks. Within Yammer, you can only share with other employees.
marc112
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8/13/2014 | 9:33:30 AM
The best way to avoid this kind of situations
The best way to avoid this kind of situations is to forbid your employee to create any social network accounts using the company's email without getting the permission of the business owner first, you can't risk to have your business damages by such an account. Also, using the BPM systems to manage the business information would help you keep a close watch on what's going on, reducing the security risks.


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