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How My Cousin, President George W. Bush, Almost Killed Athenahealth
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fpoggio600
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5/21/2014 | 5:29:38 PM
Re: Is this how health IT regulation works (or doesn't)?
Mr. Bush clearly showed his nativity about the health care world. Anyone that has been in this industry for more than a few year knows that the government can turn it upside down overnight. So when you build an healthcare IT business and design products you better be thinking about how you can respond when it does. In the case of Athena it should have assumed and incorporated in its basic design that someday health care modalities could come together, either by choice or by regulation. Sorry they missed that boat, but their prime nemesis and competitor did not – Epic.
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5/17/2014 | 7:46:20 PM
Re: The tyranny any of state health laws
Agreed, it a sad story, in a world where 40GbE connections can be established between servers in east-west environments that are mostly consuming gigabytes of bandwidth generated by videos on social media, etc. One would not expect that an image file with a few megabytes with the potential to deliver quality healthcare would be restricted. I guess, healthcare has come a long way, yet it still has a long way to go, sometimes are procedure is labeled as wrong, while at other times, regulations disable technology.
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Brian.Dean,
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5/17/2014 | 7:10:07 PM
Re: Is this how health IT regulation works (or doesn't)?
At the other extreme end, a global market for health care is emerging, at this extreme end we see individuals with no healthcare insurance or insurance that does not cover a certain procedure, to carry out a cost-benefit analysis on their own, and the economics seems to fall in place because there has been a rise in the number of medical tourists over the years that travel from developed to developing economies to meet their healthcare needs.

I feel, over time developed economies will create a dual system -- public healthcare for the times when a patient cannot carry out a cost-benefit analysis on for example, the cost of a heart valve and private healthcare for the instances where the patient has the time.

"The cost of a heart value cost about $15,000 in India verse the $150,000 in the United States". With a price difference of x10, even a mid-point price of $75,000 that's closer to home should be possible, I wonder why a dual system is not already in place.

 
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5/16/2014 | 4:53:43 PM
Moving for Health Costs
I don't know if anyone will move permanently to save on health care, but people are starting to go overseas, even, for procedures to be performed. it can save tens of thousands of dollars. I believe it's called "healthcare tourism." I think there was a movie about it - a lady from the UK went to India for an operation or something. A coworker wants to go to a doc a few states away for a certain specialist and another **needed** to go to another state for a specialist.
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5/16/2014 | 1:54:33 PM
Re: The tyranny of state health laws
As an Oregonian - where we pioneered Doctor Assisted Suicide and took a rational view on Health Care budget allocations - but can't do IT to save our lives - I find the real culprit is the straigth jacket of market inhibiting payment models shrouded by insurance practices less penetrable that 100 meters of lead.

I thus support the premise of "obamacare" to remove the veil and deliver billing transparancey while providing the core information on efficay of care options so rational choices can be made.  As a cancer patient (Melanoma) with a wife with a blood cancer (Mulitple Myeloma) we have experieinced the inconsistent billing models and different advice from doctors with different asset bases to deliver care, with no difference in outcomes other than cost. 

We need outcome information to bring innovation to treatments and accelerate the trial process across patient groups. We need to share information not lock it up so that we can generate true cost benefits.  And we need a broad drive to gather and organize genomic data with trials so that the massive data bases needed to see trends and separate good from bad treatments can be created.  

The current health care models in the US are still decades away from being able to implement anything remotely like this.  
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5/16/2014 | 11:53:44 AM
Re: The tyranny of state health laws
One way forward would be greater transparency not only on the basic costs of health care procedures and tests, but having those costs broken out by state and/or metro areas. While I know such comparisons don't fully capture the quality of healthcare, consumers are flying virtually blind now as it is and can't make informed choices. 

Would consumers move from one state to another, based on relative healthcare costs?  Many consumers already make that kind of choice based on income and sales taxes. I did in deciding to leave New York for a less tax-hungry state.  With health care costs eating up a growing chunk of all our incomes, I think knowing the relative cost and quality of healthcare by state can and will become a competitive opportunity for pro-business, pro employment state governors.

 
David F. Carr
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5/16/2014 | 10:10:34 AM
Re: The tyranny of state health laws
Yes, except I expect it will be as much the state medical boards as the state legislatures that will fight to defend their turf right to set their own rules and influence their own lawmakers. Breaking that down will be a long process, unless the federal government gets really active and forceful.
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5/16/2014 | 7:41:55 AM
Re: Is this how health IT regulation works (or doesn't)?
Pointing to extreme cases doesn't prove your point. So the only time you go to a doctor is when you have a heart attack or some other emergency? There's no potential for more competitive pricing when it comes to such things as blood tests, basic exams, X-rays, and vaccinations? We're already seeing market alternatives emerge in those and other areas, but as long as the government or some insurer picks up the bill, isolating the consumer from the cost, costs will continue to soar. People will continue to let their doctor run a barrage of unnecessary tests. They'll continue to run to the doctor every time they have the sniffles. There needs to be more of a connection between the consumer and the cost. Paying my taxes is a need, not a want, too, but I shop around for a good, cost-effective accountant because the government or my insurer isn't picking up the tab. We won't shop for all medical services, of course. But we need to start putting some pressure on medical practices to become more efficient.
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5/16/2014 | 6:52:27 AM
Re: Is this how health IT regulation works (or doesn't)?
So what would the incentive be? No copay or deductible when I go to the dollar stores of health care? Do I get the same high level of care there or are the savings generated by opting for cheaper, less effective treatment? And how would that help with the most expensive type of treatment being emergency care? Are we supposed to dial the closest 50 hospitals for a price quote after suffering a heart attack? Health care is a need, not a choice, for the most part. I can put off buying a new couch for a year, but I can't do that with dialysis or cancer treatment or my broken leg.

The question in general with health care costs is what generates the expenses. From what I can tell it is three things:

1) excessive administrative overhead in any health care facility

2) vast differences in procedures for billing based on insurance company and state

3) do not separate vision and dental into separate policies, people are less likely to sign up for these additional insurances and that is especially troublesome with dental care which is necessary for good health overall (and I dislike going to the dentist like anybody else)

4) and as mentioned, not allowing providers and insurers to operate across state lines

Especially #2 makes controlling cost by the consumer close to impossible. Unless you have a good understanding of how medical billing works and intimate knowledge of the billing codes it will be impossible to figure out that the doctor's office billed for services that were not rendered or inserting a code that will generate more revenue.
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5/15/2014 | 6:53:04 PM
The tyranny any of state health laws
The tale of an specialist in Florida being technical able via the Internet, but legally unable by law, to diagnose a case of Merkel Cell Carcinoma in a patient in Wyoming, is a sad example (on page 4 of this story) of how state regulated healthcare "subverts the promise of the information economy," as Bush puts it. It's also a reflection of the needless complications that compounded problems for the Affordable Care Act Health insurance exchange.  Clearly the country would be better served with more interstate healthcare competition.

 
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