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Alison_Diana
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Alison_Diana,
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5/28/2014 | 9:20:03 AM
Building on a Rep
It will be interesting to see how Apple fares here, given the response so many had when Google acquired Nest. It's not scientific by any means, but many friends of mine -- some of whom write extensively on or are involved in the fight for consumer privacy -- immediately unplugged their Nest devices once the Google acquisition hit the news. Apple's rep differs from Google's, but is that legit? Or is it just well-maintained and cultured?
Stratustician
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Stratustician,
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5/28/2014 | 10:27:43 AM
Re: Building on a Rep
As someone who is pretty platform agnostic, the big issue that I see is that when it comes to home automation, folks want a platform that isn't tied to specific hardware.  I'm less likely to purchase a platform that only works with devices from one company (such as Apple) if there is a solution that offers the same functionality across multiple devices such as a PC running Windows, tablet running iOS and a smartphone running Android.  I don't expect many folks are going to invest heavily in a platform that is limited to one OS, as many are already feeling lock-in if they have already purchased many apps from one app store which won't carry should they change OS.  It's fine when you are looking at a 99 cent app, but purchasing larger items, such as appliances and other home automation devices will require a more compelling story in mixed-OS households.
Alison_Diana
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Alison_Diana,
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5/28/2014 | 10:31:30 AM
Re: Building on a Rep
That is a very good point. Those who want to use home automation tools should be wary of getting tied to one OS for appliances. It will be interesting to see how/if Apple addresses this. Their strategy has worked just fine in mobile and music, as you point out, but when you're investing thousands of dollars into your home it is a very different equation. 

I still believe privacy is a huge hurdle for the home automation market but, as we've seen with apps, not everyone's concerned with that.
Susan Fourtané
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Susan Fourtané,
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6/1/2014 | 7:07:17 AM
Re: Building on a Rep
Alison, 

"I still believe privacy is a huge hurdle for the home automation market but, as we've seen with apps, not everyone's concerned with that."

As automation evolves and the IoT becomes more common security is also going to improve.

Another thing that could happen is that everybody gets use the new way of living with less privacy if the collection of data results in benefits for the consumers.

And, at some point, all this is going to be simply normal, just as it happened with everything else that people were worried about before. 

-Susan

 
Alison_Diana
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Alison_Diana,
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6/2/2014 | 9:41:10 AM
Re: Building on a Rep
People keep saying consumers will get used to less privacy. I sincerely hope that's not the case. Just because something becomes standard doesn't mean it's right and it's one reason I back the efforts of non-profits that fight for individual privacy. Does it really matter whether Apple, Google, or some other company knows how often we open the fridge? Perhaps not. But it could if you use the fact that you're at home as an alibi to a crime -- and the police subpoena (or hack) into your IoT records to demonstrate that none of your appliances were active at the time of the crime. Far-fetched? I don't think so. If we don't have more than a reasonable expectation of privacy in our own homes, then where?
Susan Fourtané
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Susan Fourtané,
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6/4/2014 | 3:22:53 PM
Re: Building on a Rep
Alison, 

"But it could if you use the fact that you're at home as an alibi to a crime -- and the police subpoena (or hack) into your IoT records to demonstrate that none of your appliances were active at the time of the crime."

That's an interesting thought and a great idea for a crime story. :D Your appliances could be programmed to be active even if you are not at home. 

"If we don't have more than a reasonable expectation of privacy in our own homes, then where?"

Well, yes, but then again if we add the data collected by wearables to the data collected by the IoT there is no much privacy left. This is going to become so common that no one is going to worry about it anymore.

-Susan     
Alison_Diana
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Alison_Diana,
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6/4/2014 | 3:34:46 PM
Re: Building on a Rep
I really hope the day never comes that people are so unconcerned about their right to personal, private information that they cede all control to companies that then turn around and sell that data to other businesses. It would be a sad world. Not saying it won't happen, just that it'd be awful if (or when) it does.
Susan Fourtané
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Susan Fourtané,
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6/9/2014 | 3:59:59 AM
Re: Building on a Rep
Alison, 

"Not saying it won't happen, just that it'd be awful if (or when) it does."

Yes, I know what you mean. What I wonder is if, for example, today's kids, who are growing up in a world with close to little privacy, will react as we do when the day comes. I think they won't.

Then, the rest of us will have two options: Adapt, or move to a cave in the nearest forest. :D (some humor is necessary because I don't believe we can stop what it's to come) 

-Susan 
Shane M. O'Neill
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Shane M. O'Neill,
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5/28/2014 | 12:43:21 PM
Re: Building on a Rep
Yep, Apple doesn't play well with others. Never has. Their walled garden approach may have worked with iPod/iPhone/iPad ecosystems, but it doesn't jibe with something as sweeping as Internet of Things and home automation, where compatibility among many appliances and platforms is essential.   
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5/28/2014 | 2:32:20 PM
Re: Building on a Rep
Shane I totally feel your pain here! We develop apps and Apple is the biggest pain in the butt, with all of their hoops you have to jump through because they're Apple and they think they're "special."

For instance, they recently changed their policies for uploading binaries with in-app purchases. There was no indication it had changed...it was in a video that they had as "help." Which under normal circumstances would be sufficient...but in this case the video was updated without so much as a notification or email.
Michael Endler
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Michael Endler,
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5/28/2014 | 4:05:05 PM
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Agreed.


This has been one of my biggest questions as Apple's slowly marched toward Internet of Things-themed products. I think they can get away with the closed garden with wearable devices, at least for the present. An iWatch that provides standalone health-monitoring functionality and also syncs to iOS and OS X devices for extra features-- that would be a big deal, even if Windows and Android are ignored or included only in rudimentary ways. But home automation? That demands a degree of openness that Apple's never seemed willing to explore.
Thomas Claburn
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5/28/2014 | 7:52:49 PM
Re: Building on a Rep
If anyone here has found real benefits from home automation, I'd like to hear about them.
batye
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batye,
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6/2/2014 | 2:41:06 AM
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same here... please do share... in my case I got nest... but still have to send my wife to change temperature manualy on the nest... as it keep getting lost connection with my home router...
Alison_Diana
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Alison_Diana,
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6/2/2014 | 9:43:57 AM
Re: Building on a Rep
That's bad, @batye! I have wondered about that. We have Internet via our cable company. I pay for the highest speed and use their router, solely so I can call them whenever there's a problem! Every time I call about a performane issue, they blame me for using several devices simultaneously -- we have several wireless computers, phones, tablets, TV, etc., although not all are typically connected at one time. I can only imagine what would happen if we added thermostat, alarm, appliances, etc., to the mix!
batye
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batye,
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6/2/2014 | 11:16:14 AM
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the sad reality I live in small city have only one Co. offering Cable internet, I'm on my fourth modem... but they do not want replace cables inside... they still want me to use they cables... and do not allow me to run my own high quality cables... and purchase my own better cable modem...
Alison_Diana
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Alison_Diana,
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6/4/2014 | 3:33:23 PM
Re: Building on a Rep
I wonder what would happen if you did replace their hardware, @batye? Surprised that they don't want you to do it. My cable company would love me to change their hardware or cables out because then they wouldn't have to support me whenever there's a performance problem (which, 9 times out of 10, is because of their external equipment).
batye
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batye,
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6/4/2014 | 5:09:57 PM
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same with my internet provider they want me to use they hardware...


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