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Yahoo, LinkedIn, Google: Not A Diverse Club
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anon1588678230
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anon1588678230,
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6/18/2014 | 12:35:35 PM
What's the point?
In this article, InformationWeek is pointing to several of the most successful companies of the twenty-first century and effectively saying, "Whoa!  You don't have enough black people, latinos, or women.  What's up with that?"  But these companies are doing things no one else is, in new and exciting ways, and making fortunes in fields that established companies have not generally pursued business or succeeded.

It's not surprising that Google's workforce is primarily male and either Caucasian or Asian, because these are the demographics primarily correlated with engineering in general and software engineering in particular.  It also makes no difference, because it's not holding back innovation.  The reason companies value diversity is because it leads to corresponding shareholder value.  Diversity is not about conforming to some social-engineering checklist.
LastC318
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LastC318,
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6/18/2014 | 12:50:51 PM
Re: What's the point?
the information they need to release is the diversity in the job applications.  you can't hire unqualified people, and you can't hire people who don't apply.  this is a non-event.  maybe the ones they think are missing are starting their own companies.  the idea that the workplace has to mirror the populace is a lame idea to begin with.  it may not be social engineering, but it is tokenism at its worst.
Yoda123
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Yoda123,
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6/18/2014 | 12:41:23 PM
Looks quite diverse to me.
Looks quite diverse - 39% Asian. And on top of that, Asia itself is a very diverse continent. There are countries like India, Pakistan, China, Japan, Various middle-eastern countries and so on.

 
anon3333
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6/18/2014 | 1:01:08 PM
the real problem
"Yahoo, like other Silicon Valley tech companies, has a diversity problem." The only problem here is bad journalism. Where are the statistics that show how many minority software engineers even exist? Oh, you didn't consider that. Oops.
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6/18/2014 | 1:32:51 PM
Diversity
I disagree with the post by most of the individuals. I believe a company having a mangement team that consist of mostly white males is not only not diverse but is perpetuating what has gone on in corporate America for years. "The Old Boy Network". Also, all of the jobs at a Tech company do not require a B.S. in Computer Science. You have, Finance, HR, Marketing, Sales etc. So that is a lame excuse. In my opinion you should try to have a company that reflects your customer base. That is simply a good business strategy. It is also good for a work place because you get different perspectives on multiple issues. I would bet that most of the people that responded to the ad in the negative are white males. Have you ever heard of this thing called "White Privelege". The United States is changing if you are less than 50% of the population what gives you the right to control 75% of anything. Can we say Apartheid. I believe in capitalism in its purest sense but there is this other thing called corporate rersponsibilty and inclusiveness. 
pmhollow
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6/18/2014 | 5:58:49 PM
Re: Diversity
Getting women and Blacks/Hispanics interested in engineering is an ongoing effort. That is where the emphasis should be, not in creating positions for unqualified applicants that checked a certain box on a racial questionnaire, and that behavior is confusing race with actual culture. Anyway since affirmative action for college admissions is not allowed in places like California, the recruitment for these people groups to enter STEM fields of study in college has to be done in and before High School. To be good enough to take advantage of those classes and go to the right colleges, any deficiencies in these areas needs to be shored up by the beginning of Middle School so that the student will not be left behind. Trying to hire mediocre talent in a desperate attempt to match the racial profile of some user base is not going to cut it when we have foreign competition that comes from a better educational system and works for much less. Welcome to the real and modern world where things are not just given to you because of the color of your skin or the fact you have a Y-chromosome. That is the definition of racism and sexism and was looked down by all intelligent people starting in the later part of the 20th century.
Laurianne
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Laurianne,
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6/18/2014 | 1:42:53 PM
Diversity
The companies themselves are saying they want to create a more diverse workforce. We are reporting that issue, so let's discuss this in a balanced way. Smart IT leaders will tell you a diverse group -- ages, backgrounds, gender, etc. -- benefits a company. The last thing you want is to be listening to people who are just like you, all the time. I have heard this from IT leaders of many ages, genders, and ethnicities, throughout the years. But the advice goes far beyond IT.
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zaious,
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6/18/2014 | 4:59:06 PM
Re: Diversity
It is good to see the comanies are sharing the data they have gathered over past. This is an indication that they are looking at these stats seriously as they are brave enough to tell the world what they have. I hope more companies will come to the press with this kind of data and practice more openess.
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6/18/2014 | 1:51:39 PM
Why no age data??
They refuse to release data on age of workforce. How hard would that be? But its not an accident. Silicon Valley is notorious for age discrimination. They're probably all afraid of a lawsuit. 

They can easily claim, oh gosh there are no black/women/etc. applicants or college grads. But that doesn't wash with age discrimination. Plenty of well qualified people over 40. But they're busy lying about some phantom skill shortage, so they can bring in 85,000 H1-B workesr (slave labor) per year to screw us out of our jobs. Meanwhile we have Apple colluding with Google etc. not to compete for each others' engineers. 
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6/18/2014 | 2:49:03 PM
Re: Why no age data??
@Loren

Exactly right about age discrimination. Why pay an engineer with 5 years industry experience what he or she is worth, when you can lie about nobody being available and bring in H1-B interlopers and pay them so much less. Then, 5 years later when there is something new on the tech horizon, fire all of them and bring in the next crew of high-class temporary workers.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about women and minority engineers, rare birds indeed who are cherished where and when they can be found, and to hell with the rest of us once we are 30. Unless, of course, we prove to be exceptionally brilliant, or exceptionally masochistic, willing to work 70 hour weeks with no raises past what we earned just out of college.

It's bad enough for people of my generation. Now, you have to take out the equivalent of a mortgage to earn an engineering degree. It's a rip-off, the kids know it, and they're starting to wise up. One day, real American engineers who are truly loyal to the US will be needed - and they won't be there.
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6/18/2014 | 5:06:01 PM
Re: Why no age data??
I think that's already the case.  STEM is a huge problem for the US right now.  The off-shore scare around Y2K seems to have decimated native interest.  Can't say that I blame folks for resenting not being paid what we are probably worth but even with H1Bs keeping wages lower than otherwise, I think most still don't have a lot to worry about.  I'm not saying we're rich or that we should just consider ourselves fortunate and keep quiet but there are a lot of far less attractive occupations that pay even less.
rradina
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rradina,
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6/18/2014 | 5:00:25 PM
This is a non-story
The percentage of Asian workers in all companies seem to be far more than their percentage of the general population.  In my company, Indian workers are far better-represented than their percentage of the local population.

Perhaps the women statistic is worthy of reporting but ethnicity doesn't seem to be an issue -- at least in my opinion.
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6/18/2014 | 9:24:38 PM
Diversity versus competency
If only there was some amount of emphasis on competency, as there is on diversity. Google and LinkedIn are successful business, and Yahoo is a failing business. At the end of the day, they are all business entities, and they are not part of some communist agenda that ensures equality for all brothers and sisters. If these kinds of *diversity* practises are applied to a business in the US, then investors will have no choice but to run the business offshore, in countries where the focus is on competency. But if the American HR practise insists on standing the way of business innovation and profitability, then perhaps a better option would be to keep the business (and jobs) in the US, while outsourcing the HR function to 3rd party professional employment organizations, both on and offshore.


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