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SaneIT
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7/2/2014 | 7:17:47 AM
Re: Building walls
Years ago we had talks about companies who wanted to go out and seed a hurricane or disrupt its formation and IIRC they were shut down by several government departments for obvious reasons.  You can't exactly go dumping chemicals from the sky at will.   The US government even tried this years ago with a project called Storm Fury and it was determined that it just wasn't worth the effort.  The expense was a fixed cost in the billions for what might be a chance to stop a once in a decade storm.  I suspect the wall suffers from this same problem.  It won't stop every tornado and the ones that end up weaker because of the wall will be few and far between.  I'm not saying that dreaming up big ideas like this is pointless, I love to read about a fanciful solution for big problems but it's a hard sell to say the least.
Gary_EL
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7/1/2014 | 1:47:32 PM
Re: Lawsuits
Well, if this thing can stop hurricanes, it will probably affect other weather events, too. A regional farming business might get colder or hotter temperatures, or receive more or less rain. It will affect crop yield, probably for the worse. The result? A lawsuit, and ultimately, a Supreme Court Ruling on causing deliberate climate change.
David Wagner
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7/1/2014 | 12:04:09 PM
Re: Building walls
@SaneIT- It absolutely would spin up bigger storms if it was an uninterupted smooth wall. It would act like a scoop and send air straight up which is bad. But if you break up the wall, make sure it has shape and texture,  etc, you could avoid that. Just like Manhattan doesn't act like a giant wind scoop.
David Wagner
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7/1/2014 | 12:02:03 PM
Re: Building walls
@SaneIT- I think the obvious answer is that they cost $190 billion. :)

No seriously, here's the problem. To stop giant storms you need a giant system. To make a giant system it costs a lot of money and you have to admit that you can't promise it works until it stands up to the first storm. So no one wants to pay for the experiment. Rinse and repeat.

I get that. But at one point or another we're going to have to trust someone if we want to stop this.
SaneIT
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7/1/2014 | 7:39:07 AM
Re: Building walls
@ yalanand, I can see some issues that will not be seen in wind tunnel testing.  I know it was mentioned in the blog post but you're pretty much building a mountain ridge across the plains.  The animals displaced, people displaced and foliage destroyed to put this wall up is going to be a real issue.  Another issue I see that maybe a wind tunnel could show if they spend long enough testing the angles of the wind against the wall is making storms worse as I mentioned before.  If you've ever been between two tall buildings when the wind is blowing you know that the wind speeds up between those buildings.  I wonder if putting that wall in the wrong spot could actually spin up even bigger storms at  either end of the wall as super fast winds come off the wall.
SaneIT
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SaneIT,
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7/1/2014 | 7:32:44 AM
Re: Building walls
@David, that could be, but if I'm spending $190 billion I need more than "this might work".  Having lived through several hurricanes there always seems to be someone talking about how they could stop the storms or change their path but I have yet to see someone actually do it.  Given the cost of repairing all the damage done by a hurricane it would make sense to kill the storm before it makes landfall so why haven't we seen a storm killing system yet?
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6/30/2014 | 3:38:34 PM
Re: The Great Wall of Oz
Hahahaha! A classic David! One of my favorite fear-tactic PSAs!
mak63
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6/30/2014 | 3:37:40 PM
Re: Weather Changes
Global Warming is as Big a Hoax as there is.

Climate Change on the other hand is the real deal.


Isn't global warming a particular aspect of climate change?
David Wagner
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6/30/2014 | 3:05:34 PM
Re: The Great Wall of Oz
@vnewman2- Love it! Also, "This is your plain without walls. This is your plain with walls. Any questions?"
vnewman2
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6/30/2014 | 2:13:58 PM
Re: The Great Wall of Oz
Hmmmm...I forsee a government marketing campaign here: "If you build it, they won't come..." Catchy, no?
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