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Windows 9: Desktop Resurgence?
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countryclubrepublican
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6/30/2014 | 3:11:03 PM
Branding is the key
As usual, it take Microsoft 3 times to get it right.  This looks like a step in the right direction.  Windows 8 has 2 major problems.  The first was trying to put 2 interfaces on the same device.  This was too confusing.  The second is trying to brand everything under one name, "Windows". 


Microsoft has 3 different devices for which it needs UIs:  Desktops, Intel tablets, and ARM tablets and phones.  I would create 3 different flavors of windows:  "Windows" or "Windows Desktop" for desktops, "Windows Touch" or "Touch" for Intel tablets, and "Windows Metro" or "Metro" for Arm tablets and phones.  Of course, the actual names don't matter, the important thing is to have different branding for the different classes of device.
UberGoober
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7/1/2014 | 11:25:56 AM
Re: Branding is the key
That would be utterly contrary to M$'s expressed 'Windows Everywhere' strategy.  Frankly, there's no reason why you need multiple versions for Intel, anyway.  If it offered a choice between a real desktop and the clown makeup, it could easily support both creators and consumers of information without making them irritated (to utterliy minimize the hatred that Metro engenders in most users).
cafzali
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cafzali,
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7/1/2014 | 4:27:47 PM
Re: Branding is the key
@countryclubrepublican The Metro interface was Microsoft's lazy attempt to make us all forget about the fact that they had no plan for mobile for years. It was as if they wanted us to believe that Windows 8 was an instant recognition of the available of "Internet everywhere."

We all see how well that worked out. 
mejiac
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mejiac,
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6/30/2014 | 5:04:51 PM
On the right path
Great article Michael,

I think that Microsoft is heading on the right path, and it has taken some trial and error to get there, but better late than never.

If microsoft can provide a UI experience that for consumers switching between devices is more dynamic and seamless, I think they have a major thing going here.

Apple only now is providing that experience with the latest iOS update. I myself would greatly welcome the opportunity of being able to start doing something on my laptop/PC, and then switch to my phone to continue (I can already imagine myself reviewing an email, opening the attachment, and then click on a button that says "call contact", and my windows phone would call the contact, in speaker, with the attachment open in the background, while I head to meeting).

There's definitly a lot of opportunities there.... very exciting!
mejiac
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mejiac,
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6/30/2014 | 5:06:37 PM
Re: On the right path
To add to my last comment,

I think that something that is missing is a type of "Bridge" between devices.

It would be really cool if while reviewing an email or a web page, that from the tablet/pc, I can click a button to reach out to a contact, and those would remotly trigger my phone to place the call. That's the type of eco system that I think will end up in first place
mejiac
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mejiac,
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6/30/2014 | 5:09:13 PM
Re: On the right path
(sorry for the broken post, but the article got me hyped)

It would be really cool if say you're on a call, and as soon as you sit at your desk, you can use your laptop/PC headset to continue the call, since both devices would be synced and talking to each other....that would be a step forward.

But if a have to take a guess, I would say that Google would probably be the first to implement this, only because I think they have current technology to support this effort, and it's only a matter of creating the bridge to fulfil it.
Thomas Claburn
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6/30/2014 | 5:52:49 PM
Re: On the right path
I hope Microsoft finally nails it because we're all better off with more competition. Apple and Google have had it too easy for too long.
anon6155405820
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anon6155405820,
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6/30/2014 | 5:11:58 PM
windows 9 desktop resergence
i just becam accustomed to the metro interface, Microsoft needs to leave desktop and metro availible on all devices and just have the device default to the interface that works best and let the user toggle to the other interface as needed for certain tasks or apps. I have a tablet and would not want to see the desktop option go away since the tablet could be docked to a full size monitor and keyboard 
mak63
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mak63,
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6/30/2014 | 7:29:20 PM
Re: windows 9 desktop resergence
I have a tablet and would not want to see the desktop option go
I agree, it would be a mistake to leave the desktop option out for tablets.
Back to the article. I hope Microsoft pull out something better for Windows 9, otherwise it doesn't look very appealing at (probably) 1 month from beta. Well, free upgrade from 7 will be nice.
Li Tan
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7/1/2014 | 9:39:43 AM
Re: windows 9 desktop resergence
I think MS is trying to get the best from both desktop and tablet world. Its demo of Windows 9 startup menu indicates this. This is not easy but something needs to be done - it makes no sense to create silos by forgetting about good desktop options on tablet.
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anon1768698819,
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7/1/2014 | 8:38:29 PM
Re: windows 9 desktop resergence
Desktop and legacy absolutely suck on tablets. They weren't built for touch, they don't have the UI for touchk, and they never will. Nobody with any sense wants to fool with traditional legacy crap on a tablet. Ditch full Windows for tablets and create a new OS for tablets by merging RT and Windows Phone. Remove the desktop and all legacy code from it.
mejiac
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mejiac,
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6/30/2014 | 8:01:07 PM
Re: windows 9 desktop resergence
@anon, That's a good point, A similar feature is the latest android allowing for multiple users on the same device (which is nothing new on a windows pc) So if microsoft allows to toggle between different UI layouts, it would allow for a greater level of customization for users
UberGoober
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7/1/2014 | 11:29:39 AM
Congratulation M$!
If the reports are true, Microsoft will have actually listened (several years late) to its customers.  While I hate the aesthetics of the new interface, at least it brings back the functionality that every other desktop OS has had for the last couple of decades.  And all it took was to kick Ballmer to the curb...
anon1768698819
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anon1768698819,
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7/1/2014 | 8:36:28 PM
Re: Congratulation M$!
Windows 8 isn't even a year old. So how exactly is Microsoft years too late? Microsoft is removing the metro start screen entirely from desktop and laptop pcs.
UberGoober
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7/2/2014 | 10:51:38 AM
Re: Congratulation M$!
Is your Google broken?  Here, let me help:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8

Win8 was released October 26, 2012, after long and extensive previews; even the general release is closer to 2 years old than one.  We've known what was wrong with it for much longer than that.  The problem was, I've said fromt the beginning (and M$ recently admitted), largely fueled by the arrogance to believe that M$ could force people to accept a product they didn't like, all in aid of trying to boost the sales of Windows phones and tablets via a common user interface.

As the folks at AA say, the first step is admitting that you have a problem; I applaud M$ for finally getting with the program.  They've had a flaming disaster with Win8 so far, and I hope they learn more from history better than some others who shall go unnamed.
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MichiganJeff,
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7/1/2014 | 2:44:40 PM
Great, but will they fix the 8.1 networking issues that I can't seem to resolve since "upgrading?"
Glad they've finally seen the light and will stop trying to force the Metro interface on everyone.  Now, if they'd only help resolve the networking issues that 8.1 caused me (and many others).  Even tried replacing my "cheap, included" wi-fi card with one from Intel with the latest and greatest drivers... doesn't matter, network access is sporadic, at best.  I'm about to bite the bullet and deal with the pain that going back to 8.0 will cause... since they "forgot" to include a way to rollback the "upgrade."
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tjgkg,
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7/7/2014 | 2:23:48 PM
Win8.x is terrible
The extreme hubris displayed by MS when it released Win 8 was breathtaking. That was the worst thought out software release I have ever seen. While 8.1 is a small improvement, MS should build one OS for touch and mobile devices and have the traditional Win interface for desktops and laptops. Perhaps this will happen now that Ballmer is out. Working on a Win 8.x device is extremely unpleasant.


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