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Our Definitions Of Leadership Are Mostly Wrong
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kstaron
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kstaron,
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7/31/2014 | 2:04:13 PM
a few characteristics of a good leader
Unfortunately even the word leader has enough connotations that it's hard to define. If you are assigned a group to lead, you are a leader, but it don't make uyou a good leader or one people would naturally follow. Everyone has known an inept leader or two in their lives. no matter what the job title a leader has a certain skill set.
  • They have the ability to inspire, cajole, or demand others to do as they ask without complaint
  • They are organized enough to direct people to do small tasks that will come together as a larger whole at a given time.
  • They have enough vision to not only see the larger goal but the small steps to get there.
  • They have enough people skills to deal with energizing their people, dealing with minor disputes and inturruptions, and makingthe people want to work on their tasks.

What other characteristics of good leadership should go here?
SaneIT
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SaneIT,
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7/30/2014 | 7:38:43 AM
Re: Words are not enough
@SunitaT0, I'm going through this right now.  I've got a better suited to me HR staff this time though and they are looking for exactly what I asked them to look for.  The last time I was hiring I felt like I was going crazy because only a very few candidates were anything like what I was looking for.  I think that it's not just HR systems but HR personnel who shape what they think a hiring manager is asking for.
SunitaT0
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SunitaT0,
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7/29/2014 | 5:47:20 PM
Re: A Leader Needs Adjectives
@LUFU: Most leaders are honed by experience. Many people have many different definitions of ?what makes a good leader? but I think a leader is someone who can bring out what parameters will motivate that employee to work the fullest.
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SunitaT0,
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7/29/2014 | 5:38:21 PM
Re: Words are not enough
@SaneIT: I?ve also had this kind of an experience. Most of the applications are passed through the HR filter which filters out talented individuals based on their surface presentations and this also makes IT leaders pretty angry. Actually the whole process of selection is pretty confusing to the company construct. There are HR rounds, there are technical rounds, and there are GD rounds you have to qualify and whatnot. I think the HR department is there because they want to find the candidate having the qualities of ?I can play along? and ?team player? because otherwise IT leaders would later complain that their teams cannot accomplish any task.
SaneIT
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SaneIT,
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7/11/2014 | 7:45:26 AM
Re: Words are not enough
I guess every company has their own methods.  I've worked for two very very large companies and turned down a position with another where I had an interview with a panel of IT folks two days after submitting my application.  With those companies I didn't spend much time talking to HR, just one call to verify information answer a few knockout questions and schedule the next interview.  I'm not saying that in some cases having HR more involved in the process is bad, I'm just wondering how a department head feels about filtered results. 
LUFU
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LUFU,
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7/10/2014 | 6:10:09 PM
Re: A Leader Needs Adjectives
@David - This is a bit related to the age-old "nature vs nurture" discourse. I believe that facets of leadership can be taught and can make some people effective leaders or managers. If not, then many of the Executive Leadership-type extension programs offered at the Stanfords, the Whartons, and Harvards would be invalidated. Leaders are not necessarily born that way but may have the inclination that can be honed by experience and training.
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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7/10/2014 | 1:10:09 PM
Re: Words are not enough
@SaneIT- I don't feel like it is right to say who one of the companies were, but let's just say it was one of the top 5 tech companies in the world. I can't say if it was universal for the whole company or just my potential poistion. I can tell you that while i think the interview went really well, they told me that the hiring folks were split and they wanted HR to give them more people to look at and keep me on the list. I politely passed for another job.

If that is stanadrd at this giant company, clealry it works for them on a macro level. But it definitely didn't work on a microlevel. 
SaneIT
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SaneIT,
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7/10/2014 | 7:21:41 AM
Re: Words are not enough
@David, that sounds horrible.  Even at the biggest companies I've worked for it only took one HR interview, usually over the phone before I met with the hiring manager.  I wonder how the hiring managers feel about having HR only delivering them the "top 3".  I do have HR drop some candidates before they get to me through knockout questions but if they only gave me a top 3 I'd be a bit upset.
David Wagner
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7/9/2014 | 3:59:02 PM
Re: A Leader Needs Adjectives
And clearly there are organizaitons who think they can teach leadership and have a track record for doing so-- the military and GE come immediately to mind.
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David Wagner,
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7/9/2014 | 3:58:24 PM
Re: A Leader Needs Adjectives
@lufu- I get that you are being entertaining with your quote. But I think there is a real problem if we settle on that. If that's the way we do it, then we can't teach it. And I believe leadership can be taught. If not literally from the ground up, at least it can be honed. 

If we settle on "we know it when we see it" it becomes much more difficult to teach. And if we can't teach it then we're stuck with the number of leaders we have which is not enough in my opinion. 
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