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zerox203
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zerox203,
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7/8/2014 | 2:17:07 AM
Re: Too Old To Earn BIg In IT
Wow, what a lively conversation - and it's a good thing too, because this is an important topic. Many of the stories and information you guys have shared has confirmed something my gut had already guessed - discrimination laws in the US are woefully inadequate, and the truth is it's a systemic problem that needs to be reworked from the ground up (but probably won't). That story about IBM (and even the followup Susan posted) makes me sick to my stomach. It shows just how broken the system - you can get away with breaking the law, as long as you publicly acknowledge it (!!?!?!), except when you don't, and then it's still okay.

To be honest, the whole idea of the ADEA (based on the wording on the this web page) seems a little misguided to begin with. I totally get the idea of it only applying in one direction, but it seems a little contrary to the goal. Doesn't putting people over 40 in a group by themselves already invite different treatment and problems? And the suggestion that someone who's 50 is not protected as long as he's being discriminated against for someone who's 60 seems like a terrible idea - companies can get away with anything as long as they have loopholes to work with. Not to mention, as we see from DDURBIN1's comments, there are apparently more than just the ones listed here.
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danielcawrey,
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7/7/2014 | 11:13:44 PM
Re: Age discrimination DOES exist
I think that there are still some mainframe and older technology skills that some organizations still need - but sure, the promotion thing is a bit confounding. I guess that's just part of some organzational culture - some comapnies don't feel the need to promote. It's really hard to explain just why that might be. 
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mak63,
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7/7/2014 | 10:59:29 PM
Raise
Have a conversation with your manager before you make a change. Employees sometimes don't see the value in their own work and think the only way to get an increase in pay is to look elsewhere

 A few years back, I was responsible of the IT operations of a non-profit. I thought I wasn't getting a good pay and I looked elsewhere. Worse mistake I've ever made.

Having a talk with director for a raise, it'd have been the right course of action.
Technocrati
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Technocrati,
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7/7/2014 | 10:58:28 PM
Re: Know the Law

The cases that make it to court have to do with the firing process...

 

Interesting Susan that this issue goes to court at that time, but also understandable because when it happens before employment it is much more difficult to prove and the offended still needs to find work. 

Once again, violating companies saved by the reality of need.

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Technocrati,
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7/7/2014 | 10:53:12 PM
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@Number 6     I agree with second point.  Age discrimination is rampant and certainly not exclusive to IT, but the point you make about H.R. is one of my pet peeves - H.R. is always spouting about the rights of employees, particularly in terms of perceived harassment - but age discrimination, oh well that is the elephant in the room that they quietly condone.

Susan_Nunziata
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Susan_Nunziata,
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7/7/2014 | 8:00:41 PM
Re: There's always
@rich: I'm flattered that you see us as youthful. I won't reveal my colleagues ages, they're welcome to do that on their own if they want. I assure you that I am well within the age range allegedly protected under ADEA. 
Susan_Nunziata
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Susan_Nunziata,
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7/7/2014 | 7:55:38 PM
Know the Law
If you're interested in hearing more from an attorney on this topic, please check out our archived radio show "Age Discrimination in IT: Know the Law," featuring employment attorney Monrae L. English. 

Extremely useful information during the audio session and the text chat. She says:

The cases that make it to court have to do with the firing process...
Susan_Nunziata
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Susan_Nunziata,
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7/7/2014 | 7:44:33 PM
Re: There's always
@Rich, no need to rag on my colleagues here. let's keep the discussion focused on useful info, ok? 
Susan_Nunziata
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Susan_Nunziata,
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7/7/2014 | 7:28:40 PM
Re: There's always
@Rich: We'd love to add a few more, except it's illegal to employ 12-year-olds in the U.S. right now.
Susan_Nunziata
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Susan_Nunziata,
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7/7/2014 | 6:00:58 PM
Re: The IDEA field of dreams
@DDURBIN!: NP, thanks for clarifying. We could get another heated discussion going about IDEA-which also falls short according to parents i know. But that's a topic for another day. Thanks for all the info you're sharing, it's really an important topic and good to know the many extenuating factors we're facing.

I have to say since the 2000s, my own career has been less than linear, more like a series of peaks and valleys. Having also spent time working in the entertainment and marketing media I knew people who were getting botox on or before their 30th birthdays. One young woman I worked with then said "It's never too early to start!"

I wonder if these issues are uniquely American--is it because our culture is youth-obsessed in general? Do other cultures have more repsect for their elder employees?
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