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Samsung's Tizen Smartphone: Dead On Arrival?
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Lorna Garey
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7/28/2014 | 11:29:52 AM
How many is enough?
It's a bit nuts that 20,000 apps is considered a dismal failure. Seems like there are probably no more than 200 apps that are used fairly universally -- social apps, mapping, one or two in each category like shopping, gadgets, etc. What's the point of a 200,000-plus roster of apps? The vast majority have to be crap.
andy82471
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andy82471,
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7/28/2014 | 11:37:26 AM
Re: How many is enough?
You only need few basic apps on a smartphone that are truly useful; text messaging, navigation, maybe weather and traffic alert, and maybe apps like quickoffice. All the other thousands of apps really aren't necessary for most people
Harry Devlin
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Harry Devlin,
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7/28/2014 | 12:02:53 PM
Re: How many is enough?
No needs thousands of apps, but a great many people use a couple of esoteric apps that are only available for Android.

What's the upside of Tizen? None. Intel funded it simply because they wanted an OS more suitable to their own processors.
anon8440316217
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7/28/2014 | 12:15:06 PM
Re: How many is enough?
Well said.
FredS963
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7/28/2014 | 11:43:06 AM
Everyone knew it was a dumb move to begin with...except Samsung.
Samsung doesn't understand opensource like Google does.  The smart move would have been to try put all that wasted time and money and effort into making Android better.  Google started Android with this in mind from the beginning. 

Samsung has the clout with Google to get them to listen and accomodate Samsung in various ways. That still wasn't good enough for them.  I think Samsung wants to try be more like Apple where they control everything including software. The fact is Samsung is not Apple and never will be.
Harry Devlin
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Harry Devlin,
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7/28/2014 | 12:06:32 PM
Re: Everyone knew it was a dumb move to begin with...except Samsung.
Samsung's support of Tizen has been half-hearted at best. For the watch, it really didn't matter what the OS was. For the phone it does. The fact that they were only planning to launch the phone in Russia says a lot about how confident they were about the product.

Maybe instead of sanctions against Russia, for their role in Ukraine, the UN could require them to use only Tizen-based devices.
ekholbrook
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ekholbrook,
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7/28/2014 | 12:09:06 PM
Re: Everyone knew it was a dumb move to begin with...except Samsung.
>>I think Samsung wants to try be more like Apple where they control everything including software. The fact is Samsung is not Apple and never will be.<<

Exactly. However I disagree that they couldn't be Apple.. if they wanted. 

What is seriously lacking on ALL android devices is a major software developer (Except google).

So these companies create garbage apps, dump them on their garbage home screen software that overlays Android, and think that's enough.

It's NOT enough. If Samsung wants to compete, they need to create serious software for editing videos, making music, editing documents. 

Instead, their "Video editor" can't even load some of video (the slo-mo) from their S5 or Note phones!!

And it can only export at 1280x720. And basically it's utter garbage.

Where's the creative software? Their "photo editor" takes a pefectly nice 13 or 16 megapixel photo and drops it down to 1920x1080. I mean seriously?

S-voice, and all the other crapware (both by samsung and others) installed on Samsung phones, only makes it that much more obvious that these android companies have no clue why IPhones sell. They sell because Apple takes software development seriously. Not just the OS, but providing some basic apps to get the user going. 

 

I love my Note 3 and S3 before it, but I really really miss apps like Garageband and iMovie. There's nothing, nothing like these on Android. 
DDURBIN1
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DDURBIN1,
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7/29/2014 | 10:31:31 AM
Re: Everyone knew it was a dumb move to begin with...except Samsung.
Tons of alternatives to both Garageband and iMove for free while many of the pay alternatives are even better.
Harry Devlin
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7/28/2014 | 11:58:39 AM
Intel Needs to Accept Reality Regarding Tizen
I went to the Tizen developer conference in San Francisco a couple of months ago. It was pretty clear that Tizen was on life support. Most of the attendees were there just to get the Samsung Gear watch and the Intel NUC. For $50 it was a pretty good deal considering all the swag and the food.

The bottom line is that if Intel wants to enter the embedded market they will have to make more use of their ARM license(s) and begin producing SOCs with the ARM architecture, and bid a fond farewell to x86 for embedded. With their advanced fabs they'd be in a good position to take market share away from Broadcom, Qualcomm, and Nvidia.

For now, Intel seems content to be a contract fab for those companies, rather than compete against them, http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2013/10/30/brookwood-intel-to-manufacture-chips-for-qualcomm-broadcom-nvidia/ .
mak63
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8/5/2014 | 8:04:03 PM
Re: Intel Needs to Accept Reality Regarding Tizen
I watched parts of the conference online. The speakers seemed to be in very high spirit. I see that the attendees were not.
I agree, $50 for the Intel NUC and the Gear was a good deal.

In any case, do you think Samsung, and the partners involved, will ever acknowledge defeat on the smartphone front?
brar001
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7/28/2014 | 12:18:00 PM
Tizen Failure
This comes as no surprise to me, and hopefully it is DOA so Samsung can redirect efforts elsewhere as another user had mentioned.

Others have mentioned that a full app catalog is not necessary, but it is not a question of need, it is a question of want and convenience. The bottom line is that Tizen, or BB or WebOS didn't give you any incentives for being limited to a smaller catalog. In other words, the price is mainly dependant upon the hardware of the phone not the software it's running. Therefore a high end Tizen phone will cost roughly the same as a high end Andriod or iOS phone. Why would anyone want to pay around the same and not have an extensive app catalog at their disposal? This is the same reason that BB and webOS have faltered as well.

I actually had a Palm Pre, and so from experience can tell you that although webOS had the so-called staple apps mentioned on here, it was huge let down not to have all the other apps that were constantly churning out for the main platforms - whether or not they were necessity or just a fleeting interest. For these reasons Android and iOS will reign supreme, until someone can justify why another platform is needed (windows has and continues to make the case for a 3rd and their recent push for One platform may bear fruit).
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Whoopty,
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7/28/2014 | 12:27:43 PM
Sad
Bit of a sad day. Part of me was hoping Tizen would become a new wearable centric operating system that helped companies break free from Google's dominance. Seems like the search giant will continue overseeing much of the future's tech trends. 

Here's hoping Windows Phone blows up and provides us a third choice, as the current offerings leave me worried about price fixing.
DDURBIN1
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7/29/2014 | 10:00:21 AM
Re: Sad
Price fixing, really? You are worried Google will start charging for Android?  Not going to happen.  Apple doesn't charge for iOS and never will either.  That just leaves you with Windows Phone and guess what, I hear Microsoft is going to make that free too.  Now that's the kind of price fixing I like, free.
johnDonavan
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johnDonavan,
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7/28/2014 | 12:31:22 PM
Tizen DOA
Tizen phones reminds me of how things were in mid 2000 era. Samsung used to create some junk apps just to make it appear as though there is some activity. There generally are no hard core userbase around these apps and they have 3rd class UI, rainbow colors and all.
xandertwit
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7/28/2014 | 12:42:28 PM
tizen a part of poker game
The Korean governement is Concerned about Serious Dependence on Googles Android. So they urged their industries to develop its own. Furthermore it gives samsung a good position in the negotiations with Google. Samsung mostlikely get a piece of the pie of Google Android add-machine. Over 40% of Android devices is samsung...
Thomas Claburn
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Thomas Claburn,
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7/28/2014 | 4:36:10 PM
Re: tizen a part of poker game
Why didn't Samsung just adopt Firefox OS? Creating their own open source OS makes no sense.
DDURBIN1
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DDURBIN1,
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7/29/2014 | 10:16:05 AM
Re: tizen a part of poker game
The name of the game is "control", not going to happen with FireFox as it would always be a shared environment.  As posted in other comments Samsung is a Google/Apple want to be not a Firefox want to be.
DDURBIN1
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7/29/2014 | 10:12:47 AM
Writing on the wall
Its always better for consumers to have more choices and more competition so I was hoping something could come of Tizen but if Blackberry and HP couldn't pull off an alternate OS while Microsoft's WinPhone struggles I dont' know what Samsung thought they could do better.  At least Samsung's management  is listening to its marketing department unlike Microsoft.
Whoopty
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Whoopty,
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7/29/2014 | 11:34:23 AM
Re: Sad
I'm aware the operating systems themsevels are free, but with the Google and Apple OS' carving up such large chunks of the industry, they have enough sway to have an influence on many aspects of it. I'd be surprised if they didn't lean on the odd manufacturer now and again to push for certain things that benefit them rather than the consumer. 
Thomas Claburn
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7/29/2014 | 1:20:43 PM
Re: Sad
What surprises me is that none of the hardware makers (except Apple) have taken software seriously. 


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