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Stop Using Chrome, Mozilla Engineer Says
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Whoopty
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Whoopty,
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8/19/2014 | 12:51:17 PM
Firefox
I was a big Firefox fan back in the day, but as it got more bloated it would crash all the time, so I switched over to Chrome and it's done a great job. I have no loyalty to the brand though, whichever offers the best experience gets my usage. 

I even pop into Opera now and again for specific tasks it's just simply better than the others at. 

It's amazing seeing how far Chrome as come too. I remember the days of IE dominance wondering if anyone would ever be able to eclipse it. I had no idea Chrome was now far and above the most popular browser, though with the growth of Android mobile I suppose it makes sense. 
Fizban
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Fizban,
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8/21/2014 | 7:07:09 AM
Re: Firefox
Use Lynx, you know it makes sense.
Johnnythegeek
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8/24/2014 | 5:37:49 AM
Re: Firefox
Like anything else you use a product or service because it works. If Firefox is losing its user base its because Chrome is better. I don't particularly agree that Chrome is better, but its the perception and many users are followers so if Chrome has done anything. Its convinced enough influential users to adopt Chrome and the rest follow. Its very much that same influence that has made Internet Explorer a bad browser to use. Even though on a level of security, performance and usability its probably acceptable to most people now. I myself think Chrome is nothing more then another browser competing for a user base and because Google has developed a ecosystem of not only a browser, but Chrome OS, Android and many web applications that work well with Chrome. That it has developed a decent following. Whereas Mozilla has indeed floundered in political correctness, a lack of good funding and a product line that does not mature. I think for many Firefox of old had a niche because IE was so bad, and so it was natural to gravitate to Firefox as a good alternative. Today, you have to be more then just a good alternative to a bad browser. IE has even become a decent browser and so is Firefox just a mediocre alternative that cannot find its base anymore? I don't adopt the use of any product just to save competition. If you want your product to succeed then make the product viable and competitive. This is where open source fails. The same thought proccess has always been in open source operating systems too. Your just supposed to ignore the bad performance, buggy installations and lack of good support because its open source and you want to support that. This is why Chrome OS has had more success then any Linux distro ever had. Its because the end user has a good experience and it works. They don't spend hours or days getting something to work. If Mozilla is to succeed with Firefox, it has to start realizing that its in a competition for end users. Not just expect users with take pitty on Firefox because its open source. Most users don't care how the product is produced. Just that it works.
David F. Carr
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David F. Carr,
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8/19/2014 | 1:09:32 PM
Firefox no longer bloated and buggy?
I used Firefox religiously for a long time before getting seduced by Chrome. I don't know about bloated, but Chrome can also be buggy. Or maybe it's just my habit of keeping 20 tabs at a time open that makes it crash.

If Firefox lost ground because of a reputation for being bloated and buggy, have the reasons for that reputation gone away since the last time I looked? I still use Firefox for some purposes, particularly with a very nice Web Developer extension for the browser, but I haven't tried using it on a daily basis for a while, so it's hard for me to know whether it has gotten better.
Lorna Garey
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8/19/2014 | 2:11:21 PM
Re: Firefox no longer bloated and buggy?
David Carr, with you 100%. Inertia is a powerful force, and FF will need to give me good reason to give it another shot, especially since I use a Chromebook extensively.
ChrisMurphy
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8/19/2014 | 6:09:56 PM
Re: Firefox no longer bloated and buggy?
The addition of tab browsing was the last time I got excited about a browser feature, I think. 
Thomas Claburn
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Thomas Claburn,
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8/19/2014 | 6:16:47 PM
Re: Firefox no longer bloated and buggy?
Google more or less killed browser update news stories by making releases smaller and more frequent. You can't get a few hundreds words out of only a few minor technical additions unless you really pad it out. 
Phil C.
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8/20/2014 | 9:40:17 AM
Tried Chrome, hated it
I had Chrome installed on my home Linux machine for less than a day a few years ago and removed it.  It slowed everything down tremendously, even when I wasn't actively using the browser.  Also, it turned out that one couldn't configure it to launch a third-party email program, such as Thunderbird, Evolution or Eudora; it only works with Gmail webmail.  Since I access mail on several domains other than Gmail.com, that was a non-starter.  A couple of days ago I learned from an article at Tech Guru Daily by Guy Wright (July 21, 2014 - "Chrome is draining your battery") that Chrome has had a CPU-hogging bug for years, and Google has apparently known about it for a long time, yet hasn't done anything to fix it.  I found its performance on an AC-powered desktop machine absolutely unacceptable then, as well as more recently on Android hand-held devices.  Chrome causes mobile device batteries to be depleted up to 25% faster.  As far as I'm concerned, Google has nothing to offer in Web browsers.
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8/20/2014 | 1:03:43 PM
Firefox problems
The reason chrome seems faster than the rest is: Chrome seperates each tab to a sperate process. If a tab sux too much cpu, it does not effect others. IE, Firefox use only 1 process.

Firefox is no better than IE when it comes to plugins.

Firefox is not consistant. Each new version breaks something. Right now i'm using Firefox 31.0 and it does not work with Magento. I can't upload picture.

I'm using IE to post this message LOL

 
badamson836
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badamson836,
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8/21/2014 | 2:44:53 PM
stop using chrome. . .
I have use FFox for years on my desktop; not on any mobile as it doesn't seem to run well as stated in the article.  Of late, I have had zero issues with Fire Fox.  Opera seems the best on my older Tablet.

As a side note (and not trying or wanting to hijack this article) but I supported Bendan E and his right to have an opinion.  There are many people that believe the word marriage has a special meaning and perhaps looking for a different name (civil union) with same benefits would be tennable.
Thomas Claburn
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Thomas Claburn,
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8/21/2014 | 6:42:46 PM
Re: stop using chrome. . .
It's interesting how many people cite Mozilla's handling of Brendan Eich as their reason for abandoning the company. There's probably a lesson here in how not to politicize your organization.
badamson836
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badamson836,
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8/21/2014 | 7:00:34 PM
Re: stop using chrome. . .
True!
anon1449963320
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8/21/2014 | 6:15:10 PM
Firefox forced me to quit them
I removed Firefox from all my computers when they decided to fire their CEO because of a political donation that he made.  Regardless of your opinion on the matter, that type of intolerance is totally unacceptable to me.  People have a right to their opinion and he didn't do it with company money and wasn't out advocating his politics as a company representative of Mozilla. What they did was despicable and I will never use their products again. 

There are other browsers out their and I now use Chrome almost exclusively. I once in a while use IE or Opera.
stevew928
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8/23/2014 | 11:37:29 AM
Why use either?
On Mac, I typically use Safari, as it renders sites better than most other browsers and is just nicer to use, although I use FireFox or Chrome for some testing purposes.

But on Windows - my gosh! - the Web is UGLY with Chrome and often FireFox as well. It's almost comical that the leader in web fonts, has the most popular browser that doesn't support them properly. And, I've found that FireFox often has rendering problems as well. And, that's not getting into what the article pointed out about being bloated. Heck, even the UI itself looks ugly.

Maybe Windows users are just used to ugly, but when I use Windows for website testing, especially with Chrome and FireFox, I often think, "How can people endure seeing the Web this way?"

Yea, an then there is the whole Eich thing. Nice move there LGBT activists! I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for Mozilla at being caught in the midst of the stupidity, or be mad at them for having so little backbone in failing to tell people to grow up.

In the end, though, we just have to demand better. There just isn't a good excuse for sloppy, ugly, bloated, and broken browsers at this point in the game.
LindaJoyAdams
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8/23/2014 | 3:32:35 PM
CHROME
My un expert opinion is that the only way I can keep Conduit away from me is NOT TO USE CHROME. Has any one else formed that same opinion or has any more expert  person have an y reason for the basis for my  opinion on this?  A few gvot websites require one  to use it to view their content. 8.1 is a little better on this, but it still got in and I just avoid it. When my new 8.1 arrived in 4/14 it did not have Internet Explorer installed even though the ICON was and it took hours for Dell to get it installed as when I ordered the system I had specifically asked for access to IE. Others who had got H/P 8.1 had the same issue.  Linda Joy Adams
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sspinola,
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8/25/2014 | 3:54:15 PM
Stop using Google for search
A better solution is to stop using Google for search. That's where their power base lies. Anyone who still uses Google search is just begging for the day of the Googlenet.

Google leveraged their search monopoly to make their failing social network relevant and now they're leveraging that same monoploy to dictate to site owners how they should manage their sites, e.g., forcing every site to encrypt regardless of whether they have any compelling reason to do so (i.e., no private data) or risk search penalties.

Google is the bane of the free Internet. If you use their "free" products and services, you are their product, bought and sold.

I choose not to be Google's product. For me it's Firefox, Safari, and Bing/Yahoo.


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