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HP's $199 Windows Laptop: Chromebook Killer?
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Gary_EL
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8/19/2014 | 1:03:12 PM
Sounds great, but........
If it only came with Windows 7 instead of Windows 8.1! And, what about the memory capacity? I love the idea of a flash drive, especially in a mobile device, but is 32 GB enough to for Windows 8.1 and even a modest selection of application programs?
Michael Endler
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8/19/2014 | 1:12:41 PM
Re: Sounds great, but........
It's not a lot of storage, but with the free OneDrive offer, the target user group should be able to manage. Microsoft made the OS footprint a lot smaller with Windows 8.1 Update, and many competing devices at this price point also have relatively small SSDs, so I think storage won't be too big an issue. But Windows 8.1's reputation might be a bigger liability, as you suggest.
ChrisMurphy
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8/19/2014 | 5:55:40 PM
Re: Sounds great, but........
I hope this is an option before I have to buy a kid some kind of device (laptop or tablet) for middle school. Windows 8's reputation? She would be thrilled to have a windows machine. 
Michael Endler
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8/19/2014 | 6:19:56 PM
Re: Sounds great, but........
A fine point, Chris! Whatever Windows 8's reputation, it's now an OS that lets you get a lot done at a very low price. For $199, I'm sure people who currently don't have computers (like students) will be tempted by the offer.
zaious
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8/19/2014 | 11:54:52 PM
Re: Sounds great, but........
It might be another success for MSFT. They should get it right this time. 
In this low price segement, Apple is not playing any desktop game around $200. It is interesting!
Michael Endler
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8/20/2014 | 1:41:53 AM
Re: Sounds great, but........
Yeah, and I doubt they ever will. No OS X device has ever approached that low a price. Apple doesn't play in low margin spaces. And even their lone "budget" option, the Mac Mini, is getting pretty long in tooth!
jagibbons
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8/20/2014 | 8:54:02 AM
Re: Sounds great, but........
Nice to see a low-budget Windows machine on the horizon. I haven't made the jump to Chromebooks at home (we're all Windows at the office). I would probably pay a little more for a Windows machine rather than a Chromebook, but not everyone would agree with me. As for the memory, 2 GB is fine for Windows 8.1 and most non-gaming and non-graphics design applications.
Laurianne
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8/20/2014 | 3:47:01 PM
Re: Sounds great, but........
Part of the price value when you buy a more expensive Apple product is you get access to the genius bar. Help is as close as the closest apple store. That is a big deal to many users.
Ashu001
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8/30/2014 | 4:12:16 PM
Re: Sounds great, but........
Laurianne,

That maybe so [What attracts Consumers to Apple]but I am sure you must have also noticed that Most Ordinary Americans are struggling today from paycheck to paycheck.

In such a sceanerio,Does it really make any sense to Splurge so much more on an iSomething Gadget when you can always get another device that does basically the same thing for a much-much lower price?

Most of Under 35 Crowd today is obessisively focussed on Debt reduction(thanks to the massive Education Loan burden they carry) and splurging so much more of your hard-earned Money(if you do have a job that is) on such a Device makes little fundamental sense.

Lets not forget that 44 Million Americans are on Food Stamps today.

Even most Educational Institutions (as well as Governments) would Love these devices (in Bulk) if they do everything that is required of them effectively enough.Can't see them splurging their cash strapped Budgets on excessively expensive iSomethings...

Regards

Ashish.
jgherbert
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8/31/2014 | 12:27:12 AM
Re: Sounds great, but........
@ashu01> "Does it really make any sense to Splurge so much more on an iSomething Gadget when you can always get another device that does basically the same thing for a much-much lower price?"

 

Presumably some people, at least, feel that the same thing is NOT available elsewhere, or you'd see a much higher  defection rate I'd think?
Ashu001
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8/31/2014 | 10:58:06 AM
Re: Sounds great, but........
herbert,

You have to look at this issue in the context of the fact that Things have only gotten much worse Economically for most Ordinary Americans in the last 5-7 years(The Data I have seen says for the Poorest percentage of Americans ;their Incomes are down a WHOPPING 16% since its peak way back in 1999.

If incomes are falling you can bet (100 to 1) that Disposable Incomes are down to;which obviously means that people want to make their hard-earned money Go the Extra Mile.

This is where Apple's iSomethings rarely make any sense(unless they come either bundled with Data Plans or are older last Generation Phones which are sold for really cheap in Walmart).

The cutting edge stuff from Apple is never really that(especially since Jobs passed away) and you usually see better stuff(at much lesser prices) with most of their competitors today.

Think about the Phone Screens for instance.Once you get used to a Large Screen (5inch ++);I have no idea why would anyone want to squeeze and squint their eyes staring at a PUNY iPhone screen.

Regards

Ashish.

 
jgherbert
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8/31/2014 | 11:36:37 AM
Re: Sounds great, but........
@Ashu001> "Disposable Incomes are down to;which obviously means that people want to make their hard-earned money Go the Extra Mile."

I worked in the mobile service provider industry for almost 5 years. My experience from that provider and from looking around me was that even though the economy had gone into the crapper, people of all income levels somehow miraculously could find the money to buy an iPhone or another expensive smart phone. The biggest financial change we say saw that lower income customers would generally end up with a phone on pre-pay rather than post-pay contracts. However, that didn't seem to slow the sales down.

I would posit that if somebody wants the iPhone - especially if they want it as a status symbol - they will find a way to pay for it despite any problems with the economy. That doesn't mean that it's the smart thing to do, but that's how these things seem to work. 

"The cutting edge stuff from Apple is never really that(especially since Jobs passed away) and you usually see better stuff(at much lesser prices) with most of their competitors today."

And yet somehow, Apple is still in business. That suggests to me that there's a flaw in your logic somewhere, or you're missing another factor that drives consumer behvaior.

"Once you get used to a Large Screen (5inch ++);I have no idea why would anyone want to squeeze and squint their eyes staring at a PUNY iPhone screen"

Let's play a game of "Spot the Android User." Oh, there you are; I win ;-) I like large screens, but to turn your argument around I could ask who wants a phone that you can't hold and use with one hand, that fits badly in your pocket and makes you look like you're holding an encylopedia up to your head when you're on a phone call. What is important to you might just not be what's important to everybody else. If it were otherwise, each company would only need to sell one phone, and everybody's phone would look the same.

 
Ashu001
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8/31/2014 | 11:51:41 AM
Re: Sounds great, but........
Herbert,

I actually am a Windows Mobile User-Lumia 1520 currently(My Last phone was an Android phone) & I am enjoying it thoroughly.

I respect all your Other basic Arguments here-there is a definite Herd Mentality when it comes to Apple iPhone users.While Android Users don't think twice before changing their Brand if the Other Phone clicks for them;Apple fans just stick on.

Its nice to watch just don't feel it will fly with Cost-Conscious and Penny Pinching folks for much longer.

Have already seen trends around this in Asia ,South America and Africa(where iPhones are'nt subsidized by their Carriers) their sales have failed to pick up primarily because of their Prohibitive costs and closed Ecosystem.

It really depends on what all you want to do with your Phone.

If you are Happy with a Phone that you just plan to use for Calling ,Texting ,Messaging,Alarm Clock and Calendar then an iPhone works well.

But if you want to do Heavy Duty Browsing and Video Watching as well as Reading and reviewing Documents on the Move constantly you need a  Bigger Screen which an iPhone Does'nt provide.

It also saves you from having to go around lugging multiple Devices-A Phone+Tab+Laptop???

Why not just have one Device instead?

Regards

Ashish.
jgherbert
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8/31/2014 | 1:15:13 PM
Re: Sounds great, but........
@ashu001> "Android Users don't think twice before changing their Brand if the Other Phone clicks for them;Apple fans just stick on."

If they do that because they reach respectively like the OS they're using, then that makes sense doesn't it? There's no alternative for iOS fans.

I'll say I'm not a fan of Windows Phone (though I have one), and I have found Android to be confusing - perhaps because of the manufacturers customizing it to their own way of thinking. As such, I do personally lean towards an iOS device. But then there's more to it than that; I also have Mac at work and at home, so I have the additional benefit of an ecosystem that exists across multiple devices, so just as Apple planned, I'm tempted to stay within the iOS/OSX family just to maintain the native syncing features. That doesn't mean I wouldn't like a larger screen though, nor that it irritates me that Apple has locked their keyboard down for so long, etc. I'm glad to see some of these things appear to be changing over time.

 

"If you are Happy with a Phone that you just plan to use for Calling ,Texting ,Messaging,Alarm Clock and Calendar then an iPhone works well."

*lol* I suspect there are several million iPhone users who would argue that your characterization of their device is a tiny bit one-sided. Not everybody wants to carry around a phablet, and find the iPhone a reasonable compromise between functionality and size. I guess it's all about what's important to you.
Ashu001
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8/30/2014 | 5:12:26 PM
Re: Sounds great, but........
Chris,

You raise a fair point here.I would also like to look at it from a different perspective-That of a parent.

If your kid accidentally "breaks" a 200 dollar machine you are less inclined to get angry/upset with your kid as against if the Kid breaks a 700 Dollar isomething machine!

This is the kind of price which is perfect even in  Developing Markets.At this price-point you the New Emerging Middle-Class there would love to lap up this Machine!

If MSFT,Dell,HP and the rest play it right it will definitely be a win-win for all concerned.

Regards

Ashish.
Laurianne
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8/19/2014 | 1:35:04 PM
$199 magic
If HP can get to $199, why can't the Chromebook makers? Hint: They all can, but it's hard for all of them to get around the display costs. $199 is one of the magic price points in consumer electronics, so it will be interesting if $100 could sway people away from a Chromebook and over to the Windows device. That's quite a different OS experience.
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8/31/2014 | 4:22:24 PM
Re: $199 magic
This new HP could be a nice browsing/light workload device.  But the comment below about display costs is dead on and gives me pause.  I picked up a second hand HP 14 Chromebook for a song, used it for a few days, and returned it.   The OS was fine and snappy and the overall build was great, but putting the displays next to each other with my old $300 Windows lappy, it was night and day. The HP looked harsh, fuzzy and washed out.  A good display check is how lines look--they should be somewhat "lineish" and fluid, not pixelated like on the HP. That makes reading a chore.  If these inexpensive W8 machines come out with similar displays, that's an issue for me.

Reports are that the display manufacturers are having a hard time keeping up with demand as a result of people replacing XP machines and unexpected demand for Chromebooks, so they are raising prices. Time to keep track of display technology advances on the low end before jumping in again--Give me a 12 or 13 inch IPS-ish screen on one of these low price devices and I'm in.

Also, maybe wait for Threshold.

 

 
sonicmetalman
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8/20/2014 | 9:55:28 AM
Chromebook Killer?
I believe HP missed the mark on this one. Dell already beat them to market with a fully functional laptop in the Inspiron 15. Through Dell this model is $250 but other retailers are selling it at the magic $200 price point. It lacks a DVD drive and RJ45 port but it does have a 500gb drive, 4gb of ram with an N2830 Celeron dual-core processor.

Nice try HP.
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8/30/2014 | 4:48:19 PM
Re: Chromebook Killer?
Sonic,

HP is making so many mistakes its almost as if they plan to Exit this Space entirely(by consistenly shooting themselves in the Foot).

You remember the uncertainty a few years back;when they Shockingly announced(when the PC business was doing okay and definitely much better than today) that they would exit the PC Business entirely-which was then finally rescinded?

But by then,the Damage(to their Brand-Name) already done.

It also helps the Likes of Dell and even Lenovo that they are'nt public Companies today.

The constant pressure of Analysts ,markets & General Public on Listed Companies today is very-very intense.

Which is why they are forced to fire so many employees today,leading to such a fall in Morale.

Regards

Ashish.

 
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8/20/2014 | 2:44:42 PM
Why run a fat datacenter OS core on a light duty, portable device?
Why run a fat datacenter OS core on a light duty, portable device? I am a chromebook convert. 6 second reboot, no more having to be vigilant over what process is hijacking the cpu this time, 8 hour battery life, runs cool and quietly, ~$300. I'm a developer and have used Windows from day one but knocking off another $100 wouldn't sway me one bit to switch my portable to Windows.
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8/21/2014 | 9:24:18 PM
Re: Why run a fat datacenter OS core on a light duty, portable device?
This price sounds pretty enticing to me! I would checkout the reviews first, before making the purchase though.
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8/23/2014 | 3:00:01 PM
Re: Why run a fat datacenter OS core on a light duty, portable device?
What if this cheaper-by-$100 device gives a developer more flexibility? Having used a chromebook and being unimpressed bu\y its functionalities, I am more than interested in a Windows powered laptop that costs $100 less. You can only not shift if the marketing campaigns do not whisk enough dirt into the Chromebook's image.
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8/23/2014 | 2:54:26 PM
Chromebooks
Chromebooks are seriously costly, and more so in the eastern markets. People find no use of a laptop with a browser because the Chromebook hasn't been optimized to consumers' needs. The HP Stream with that pricetag would make some fan bases, but that comes with proper marketing and after sales services.
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8/26/2014 | 8:38:25 AM
Battery Life?
What's the battery life?  Regarding the AMD processor, 1Ghz might feel slow.  Like Intel, do the AMD processors have "turbo" modes that allow them to overclock when the load warrants a boost?  Two of my sons have phones with 2GB RAM and quad-core ARMs clocked @ 2.2Ghz.  1Ghz seems inferior to Intel's Atoms which are surprisingly agile with Win8.

 

My confidence in HP is also waning.  A few weeks ago my son purchased an HP Envy 360 for college.  It's a really nice machine for the bucks (Core i7, 8hrs battery life, Full HD display) but he had to return it twice.  The first had problems with the keyboard backlighting.  The second had a crooked hinge and the touchpad separated from the case.  The third one has a dead pixel but "so far" everything else is working so he's keeping it.  The store told him his experience is not unique as a lot of them have come back with defects.

 

It's good to know that competition still hasn't phased Windows hardware manufacturers business plans.  They still create products that offer a lot for the money but the quality is as it's always been.
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8/30/2014 | 4:18:29 PM
Re: Battery Life?
rradina,

Sure the Processor seems under-powered but then you also must accept that these are not going to be High-Performing Gaming machines .

The idea is to do all the Basic Stuff which I am sure these devices will do very well.Also,you can't neglect the fact that because Notebooks tend to have more Space(at Motherboard level) ,Heating is less of an issue as well as Space.

Your experience with HP Machines is'nt surprising.I gave on them long-long back because of their Useless Customer Service.

It also does'nt help that they are firing people left,right and Centre today to keep the Markets(and Executive Compensations) happy;So most Employees tend to be extremely de-motivated.

Anyways,Lets see what kind of machines they deliver here.

Its very much Wait and watch for now!

Keeping my fingers crossed.

Regards

Ashish. 

 
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8/29/2014 | 4:52:10 PM
win win
It may not matter matter in the long run if the chromebook or the 'bing' book win out. That fact is still you can get a computer for not quite pocket change but not a serious amount of cash either. The last desktop computer I bought I could choose between the computer and an old beater of a car. now its the choice between a computer and a tricked out stereo for your car. It's a win win for the consumer.
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8/30/2014 | 4:24:10 PM
Re: win win
kstaron,

How far back did you purchase your last Machine?

LOL!

Just asking because the price you seem to be quoting seems like a long way back!

This phenomenon of Deflation in Prices of these Electronics is happening at a time when cost of most of their Overheads is going up[Chinese Wages are rising at Double Digit Rates,Rare Earth Metals are rising in prices,Oil is extremely expensive,Electronic Parts like RAMs,etc].

Its only because of aggressive competition in the midst of a Declining market (Smartphones are eating their lunch basically).

See how few of the Major PC makers have successfully made the Transistion to the smartphone area today-Apple,Lenovo,Samsung are the only three names that stand out.

How will this pan out?

Effectively,some major vendors are going to go bust.

That's the only way this is going to reach a more sustainable situation in the near future.

Regards

Ashish. 
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8/30/2014 | 10:46:03 PM
More Garbage from Microsoft
A Win8 OS touted as a Chrome killer?  LOL highly unlikely.    I couldn't be paid to take a truckload of MS latest epic fail OS.  I'd rather just pay the extra $50.00 and a buy a Chromebook instead.
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8/31/2014 | 12:36:05 AM
Re: More Garbage from Microsoft
@asksqn> "A Win8 OS touted as a Chrome killer?  LOL highly unlikely.    I couldn't be paid to take a truckload of MS latest epic fail OS.  I'd rather just pay the extra $50.00 and a buy a Chromebook instead."

 

I don't doubt you, although you're probably enough of a nerd to care about the difference. I wouldn't underestimate the power of the familiar, and even though Windows 8 seems to have been tremendously unpopular, the Windows brand still holds a lot of sway with many consumers. Many may feel more comfortable with a Windows machine than an alternative.


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