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Shane M. O'Neill
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8/29/2014 | 10:08:57 AM
Next stop: Mars
Quite a dilemma, but I'm packing my bags for Mars. Seems in this scenario, Earth is beyond saving and I don't want to stick around to see humanity reduced to rabid savages. You're probably screwed either way but I'd rather expire on a space adventure than get torn to shreds by zombies at a Walmart.
jastroff
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8/29/2014 | 10:19:16 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
thanks @dave for another wonderful Geekend. 

I'm opting for Plan C, wait it out in a warm climate with a nice beach.
David Wagner
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8/29/2014 | 11:35:14 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@jasteroff- Cheater. :)

All the beaches are filled with zombies in bikinis and speedos. You have to choose. :)
TerryB
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8/29/2014 | 1:28:43 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
Zombies can't swim, can they? They're mindless, even a Dog Paddle should be too much? I'd hang on beach, when they chased me I'd swim out to where they couldn't touch bottom and drowned. Don't tell me...zombies are already dead and can't drown. Can they fill up with water so they aren't hungry anymore? Or at least walk very fast?

But if this zombie world of yours has zombie sharks, my plan goes out the window. :-(

But Mars?  They don't even have ESPN on Mars! What's the point of living at that point?  :-)
David Wagner
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8/29/2014 | 1:36:06 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@TerryB- Ha! I don't know if they can swim. they might float. Dead bodies float. :)

But I think the problem is that zobies are tireless. They will sit on the beach  grunting at you until you get tired of swimming and have to come in.

But you do mention an interesting escape-- a boat. A well-provisioned luxury yacht might be the best way to wait out the scenario if there is an end to it. And if there is no end to it, at least it gives you a safe place to rest.
Susan_Nunziata
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8/29/2014 | 1:54:36 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@TerryB: You could apply for the first DirecTV franchise on Mars. but I"m with you, as Dave kindly noted in his blog. In fact, our colleague Sara suggested getting a houseboat and just staying on water as long as possible. You're welcome aboard. :)
TerryB
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8/29/2014 | 2:08:37 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
Do I have to clean the fish we catch, Susan? I'll keep the bathroom clean instead. But I can cook the fish, pretty good at that.

I'm liking my thought about zombie sharks, thinking I need to get a screenplay to Hollywood for next year's Shark Week. What's more popular now than zombies and sharks? Combining those two has to be a winner....

 
Susan_Nunziata
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8/29/2014 | 2:13:08 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@TerryB: Deal, i'm not sqeamish and I hate cleaning bathrooms. Besides, I'm not a great cook.

Re. your screenplay idea: throw in a tornado and you're golden. Will you invite us all to the movie premier?
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9/2/2014 | 9:47:12 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
Seems to me that the other humans trying to take your stuff would apply to a boat as well as any other place you could try to find refuge.
David Wagner
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9/2/2014 | 11:14:49 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@TerryB- No ESPN in the middle of a zombie apocalypse either. In fact, no sports. Other than running...running away from zombies. :)
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8/30/2014 | 11:53:32 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@dave...I wasn't cheating, I was hedging. Ok. The beach with the Zombies. That's it.
Susan_Nunziata
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8/29/2014 | 2:10:45 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@jastroff: That's a great idea! if we assume that zombies can't swim, then we just need to find an island that never had people on it, which means it will lack zombies, and we can just wait it out. Mind if I join you?
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8/31/2014 | 5:24:54 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
Plan C does sound much more appealing. I hope the beach has wifi...
David Wagner
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9/2/2014 | 11:34:43 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@StacyE- No, the beach doesn't have wifi. I know you are kidding. But this really does bring up something that amazes me about the people who stay on Earth. I don't think they get how really bad it gets when no one is there to run the infrasstructure. No wifi, no TV, no electricity, no phone, no running water, no bathrooms, no one making toilet paper, no food production. 

And worse yet, no ability to stop easily and do that stuff. I don't know exactly what a Martian Colony would look like. But I bet it has Candy Crush. :) 
David Wagner
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8/29/2014 | 11:35:52 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@Shane- See you on the colony! We'll start MarsWeek.
Susan_Nunziata
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8/29/2014 | 2:14:46 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@Shane: You obviously haven't seen any of the Alien movies....

:)
Shane M. O'Neill
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8/29/2014 | 2:39:17 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
Oh I have. Scary and gruesome stuff. But I'm willing to take my chances.
Susan_Nunziata
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8/29/2014 | 2:43:53 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@Shane: Alrighty then...well, if you happen to survive and fight your way back to earth, there will be a place for you on my luxury yacht. Vaya Con Dios!
David Wagner
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8/29/2014 | 3:10:43 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@Shane- Good man. You will have your pick of rooms in the colony. :)
Thomas Claburn
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8/29/2014 | 4:20:46 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
That trailer for The Walking Dead was perfect.
StaceyE
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8/31/2014 | 5:23:21 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@Shane

I think I agre with you. I would rather take my chances with possible aliens on mars than be chewed up by a zombie at the local Walmart!
Joe Stanganelli
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9/1/2014 | 9:41:00 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
FWIW: At least Wal-Mart has guns and knives.
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9/1/2014 | 6:44:35 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@Joe well, there's that, but I don't believe the guns are available in the New York locations.
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9/1/2014 | 6:44:37 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@Joe well, there's that, but I don't believe the guns are available in the New York locations.
Joe Stanganelli
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9/10/2014 | 7:44:34 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@Ariella: [joke about zombie virus improving New Yorkers' personalities goes here]
GAProgrammer
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9/2/2014 | 4:56:38 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
Shane, what makes you so sure the group who goes to Mars won't be reduced to rabid savages when THEIR supplies run out. Or when the air does? Or the water? At least you know you can breathe on Earth!

That being said, I'd go to Mars because I have always wanted to go into space. At least I'd die with that dream being fulfilled!
SaneIT
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9/3/2014 | 7:24:47 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@GAProgrammer,

This is pretty much what I came here to say.  Anyone who thinks colonizing another planet with a group of people you don't know is going to be any different than fighting for resources on Earth didn't think this out very far.   Assuming you survive the trip how are you going to sustain yourself and your family in the coming years.  You can only pack so much spaceman food paste.  So you'll have to hope that you can get some farming going assuming you're able to build a greenhouse to protect your crops and the soil is fertile enough to actually do any growing.  Then if you do manage to get your things in order what happens when the neighboring clan across the crater has a bad year for crops.  I'm staying on this mud ball and fighting for my little corner of the world.  I do know where I'd set up camp though and I'm not sharing because I don't want a bunch of people following me.

 
David Wagner
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9/3/2014 | 1:46:25 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@SaneIt- I see what you are saying, but if you go to Mars, you are going with 21st century technology and presumably the wealth of human knowledge. I would assume zombie apocalypse leads to a dark ages of lost knowledge on Earth.

You might actually be in a better spot. and presumably, the people allowed on the shuttle are top notch humans and their families (so i wouldn't be invited). I think I'd rather try to make it work with the elite of humanity than go through the Dark Ages on earth.
SaneIT
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9/4/2014 | 7:47:16 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
I think relying on technology to survive in a harsh environment is a bad idea.  I think the only reason the Curiosity rover is still going it because there isn't a human there to mess with it.  Smart people have a tendency to mess with things thinking they can make it better when really all they need is for it to work.  In my opinion if you want to see who would survive the zombie apocalypse look at countries like Cuba where guys are building water purification systems out of nothing and welding with car batteries and jumper cables.
David Wagner
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9/4/2014 | 1:09:11 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@SaneIt- Fair point. Maybe I'm making the erroneous assumption that that spirit would be alive and well on MArs. Certainly NASA used to have that spirit. Perhaps it is gone. 
SaneIT
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9/5/2014 | 7:33:14 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
I've had heated discussions with engineering wizards over AAA batteries, I don't doubt that the spirt will be there when the ships lift off but once you hit the surface of Mars I would expect the niceties to cease.  Especially if your "brightest" have no survival skills, they are going to hoard resources because they lack the ability to do anything else.  Maybe we should launch some more robots first to make sure there are more moving objects on Mars for people to take frustrations out on.
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9/4/2014 | 1:25:12 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@SaneIT: Thank you, you've helped me focus my plans. I'm staying on Earth and making a beeline to Cuba when the Zombie Apocalypse hits.
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9/5/2014 | 7:29:40 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
Just keep an eye out for me, I'm planning on settling near a coffee plantation.  I think this would be a good team building exercise.  Assuming the zombie apocalypse started today could your team survive or at least come up with a plan for survival.

 
David Wagner
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9/5/2014 | 12:18:53 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@SaneIT- Oh man, the problem with the coffee plantation is all those machetes lying around. :)
SaneIT
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9/8/2014 | 7:24:15 AM
Re: Next stop: Mars
Only if the zombies learn to use tools.  Until that point it means I'm never far from a way to defend myself.

Thank you again for the conversation, I love the geekend blogs they are usually good for spurring out of the ordinary conversations while keeping a tech leaning to them.

 
David Wagner
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9/3/2014 | 1:25:10 PM
Re: Next stop: Mars
@GAPProgrammer- Well, for one thing the parameters of the question is "viable" Mars community which implies the ability to eat.

But it is an important question to ask. Mars is a desolate place. Right now, there'd be no way to get enough supplies to Mars to create a self-sustaining food chain. In the short term, we're all stuck here fighting the zombies whether we like it or not.
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8/29/2014 | 10:10:51 AM
Music To Decide By
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/7681766/The_Clash_Should_i_stay_i_or_should_i_go
Susan_Nunziata
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8/29/2014 | 2:11:33 PM
Re: Music To Decide By
@Alison: haha! well done.
Shane M. O'Neill
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8/29/2014 | 2:42:45 PM
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"This indecision's buggin' me."
Drew Conry-Murray
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8/29/2014 | 1:07:37 PM
Tough Call
Wow, this is a juicy proposal. If I had been asked this question 20 years ago, before I had a wife and children, the answer would've been an enthusiastic "Zombie apocalypse!" Now that I'm a parent, I know the more responsible thing would be to head for Mars. That said, having read "The Martian"--a great novel about an astronaut stranded on Mars--it's pretty clear the Red Planet would be working just as hard as a zombie mob to kill me.
David Wagner
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8/29/2014 | 1:11:20 PM
Re: Tough Call
@Drew- That's really interesting. I think it takes a lot of guts to take your kids to a life totally unlike their own even if does mean fleeing zombies. Funny enough, I made the decision based on what I perceived was logic and assumed whatever was right for me would be right for my kids. But when you bring up that it is the responsibe thing to do for your kids it makes me doubt myself. We have no idea what the affect of a multi-month space trip would be on the bones and other gorwth of children. 

Hrm...I hate myself for bringing up this question. :)
Susan_Nunziata
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8/29/2014 | 2:17:39 PM
Re: Tough Call
@Dave: that's a valid question, but here's an even bigger one:

What if one of the people on the Mars shuttle has the zombie virus dormant in their system and it doesn't come out until you all get to Mars? Then you're stuck on Mars with a bunch of rabid zombies, no Wal-Mart or convenience stores to loot, and no buildings to hide in.

I'm taking my chances on earth, thank you very much.
David Wagner
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8/29/2014 | 3:09:24 PM
Re: Tough Call
@Susan- Yes, the zombies in space scenario is the worst and a great movie plot. I'm going to assume a quarentine scenario. But even without one, fighting one zombie is not a problem. It is fighting swarms of zombies that is a problem. One zombie is slow and easy to kill. Millions of zombies eventually snow you under.
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8/29/2014 | 4:20:31 PM
Re: Tough Call
@ David.  That is really a tough choice.  I'm more for protecting the earth and fighting to get it back from the zombies.  May be we find a cure to the zombies like world war z, who knows?  If we take the ship to mars.  I'm not sure how certain we are of getting there.  Since we don't have mission control to guide us to mars; we could end up in Saturn or another planet. Unless our space ship is like the one space odyssey 
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8/30/2014 | 10:18:27 PM
Re: Tough Call
@Dave: Who says you have to fight them?

There are already underground survivalist luxury homes for the very rich who can afford them.  I'd rather take that option.  ;)
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9/2/2014 | 11:27:25 AM
Re: Tough Call
@Joe- Isn't that just choosing Mars without getting to see space? You're stuck in a tiny hole until the food runs out. At least on Mars you get space adventure and then you live in a tiny hole until the food runs out with the chance that you can rebuild civilization if you are clever enough.
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9/11/2014 | 8:34:19 AM
Re: Tough Call
@Dave: You gotta check these underground luxury living options out.  Self-sustaining gardens.  Aquarium for fish (for food).  And protected by military weapons to keep the zombies and other riffraff out.  Pretty amazing stuff.

Space?  Pssh.  It's for the birds.
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8/29/2014 | 2:07:34 PM
Re: Tough Call
@Drew: No way, stick with the zombies. You can keep your family safe on a boat and besides, as this scientist notes, the zombie apocalypse can never happen because carrion animals would eat them before they could eat us:

(sorry, I can't post a hyper link, but you can cut and paste this into your browser): http://www.enterpriseefficiency.com/author.asp?section_id=1151&doc_id=269130

Dave conveniently left this important bit of research out of the current debate because he's trying to get everybody to go to Mars with him.

 

 

 
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8/29/2014 | 5:00:23 PM
always wanted to go to Mars
I've always wanted to go to Mars. I've never wanted to be chased by zombies. I think the case is pretty clear.

Okay, now let's get to the 3rd possiblity. You've boarded the ship but someone's already infected so now you have zombies in space. But fortunately they will be much easier to get rid of, you can shove them out the airlock (but who knows where they might land?)
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8/30/2014 | 1:44:31 PM
Re: always wanted to go to Mars
So.. zombies on Mars is our third alternative? Sounds like we're doomed by zombies from the get-go then, lol. But same here, I'd rather go to Mars than live in fear of--ugh--zombies.
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8/30/2014 | 10:17:25 PM
Re: always wanted to go to Mars
@kstaron: Exactly what I was thinking!  One of the zombies gets on board!

The best/worst of both worlds: Zombies on Mars!

Sounds like a movie that MST3K would make fun of.
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8/30/2014 | 10:19:16 PM
Re: always wanted to go to Mars
@kstaron: Do zombies need air?

Or, for that matter, a certain degree of atmospheric pressure?
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8/31/2014 | 2:09:47 PM
Re: always wanted to go to Mars
I'm no expert on zombies, but since they are brain dead and also muscle dead, I don't think they need any kind of atmostphere to survive, however, according to a 28 Days Later fan: "Muscles cannot work without (a) oxygen and (b) glucose. The "Zombie Survival Guide" and other similar books make the claim that zombies do not have circulating blood and cannot digest what they eat. That said, zombie locomotion is impossible as described. Viruses cannot alter basic metabolic functions to change the genetic makeup of the infected organism to the point where they can override the built-in mechanisms of respiration, circulation, etc. No fuel, no ghoul."
David Wagner
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9/2/2014 | 11:30:52 AM
Re: always wanted to go to Mars
@SunitaTO- Hrm...most zombie movies I see, when you cut a zombie's head off, blood spurts out. That implies to me that they have circulation. Blood wouldn't spurt out of a corpse. 

Also, if gun shot wounds and injuries will "kill" a zombie, clearly they rely on some sort of nervous system and circulation. 

Obviously this all depends on your favorite movie and everything. But i always think of zombies as less undead and more twitchy bran dead folks who want to eat flesh.
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9/2/2014 | 11:13:22 AM
Re: always wanted to go to Mars
@kstaron- I suspect the zombie burns up in whatever atmosphere it falls victim to. But here's a fun though. I assume zombies don't need to breath. So what if they can survive the vacuum of space (our blood boils so maybe theirs does, too). And what if one was pulled to the moon. With the moon's lower mass and lack of atmosphere, maybe it hits slow enough to survive. First zombie on the moon. :)
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8/29/2014 | 11:19:50 PM
RE: Fight Zombies, Or Go To Mars
What a classic Geek question! It's definitely better than 'pirates or ninjas?', at least. It's a lot of fun to run through scenarios like this with friends, but there's a serious side, too - it says a lot about human nature, our instincts, and how we run through hypotheticals.  On the topic of 'can zombies swim?', there's a great (read: terrifying) scene in one zombie movie (I can't find the name or the clip after 20 minutes of searching... it was a cheesy one on at 2AM on sci-fi) that has the protagonists trying to escape to an island on a boat, but when one of them accidentally falls in the water, he realizes that it IS filled with zombie... they're just walking along the ocean floor, reaching up to pull him under - but then I guess it depends on which flavor of zombie fiction you subscribe to.

How we're setting up the premise, which version of the ideas  we're using,  has a lot to do with this question, doesn't it? Are we talking Romero-style slow zombies, or some of the crazy things that can run on walls like in Resident Evil? When you say 'Mars Colony' is there anything already there, or are you building the mars colony? The former gets into more sci-fi questions (after all, Mars colonies can't really exist anytime soon)... the latter makes me want to take my chances with the zombies. I don't even know how to grow food on earth. I don't trust myself to try it on Mars - nevermind whether the mars greenhouse, etc. is even possible.
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8/31/2014 | 10:52:16 AM
RE: Fight Zombies, Or Go To Mars
Zombies might move slow, but if a hundred or so are after you, then more than just speed should be considered. I saw that other zombie movie recently, Warm Bodies, with zombies that are fast and nimble and let me tell you, that was scary. Ticket to Mars for me, please!
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8/31/2014 | 2:06:55 PM
RE: Fight Zombies, Or Go To Mars
Anybody would like to go to Mars but others who really want a taste of the fight against zombies (come on, who doesn't dream of chopping down zombies with a chain saw?) will take the course of the earth.
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9/2/2014 | 11:24:56 AM
RE: Fight Zombies, Or Go To Mars
@Zerox203- All great questions. Generally, I tried to leave those as open as possible so the imagination of the person being asked can fill it in. But my general impression is slow zombies and a built colony. Fast zombies are just a death sentence and you need to know the colony will be viable when you get there.
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8/30/2014 | 6:10:58 AM
How to serve man?
Is there a chance these martian guys can pull the old "How to serve man" trick on you (curious to know if anyone gets that reference, although sci-fi geeks should)?  I think I would roll the dice on staying with the zombies.  You still have the off chance to meet non zombie woman and get some action (If Glenn could do it...).  Going to Mars you might never have sex again...
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8/30/2014 | 6:11:52 AM
Re: How to serve man?
By the way awesome Walking Dead video, that was hysterical.
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8/30/2014 | 1:43:57 PM
Re: How to serve man?
I know, right? I love the Walking Dead--both the comics and the show, and I think the honest trailer was, well, pretty honest. Spot on and hilarious!
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8/30/2014 | 1:34:30 PM
Re: How to serve man?
You crack me up. I love how you think, lol. But who knows? Maybe man can find a suitable specie to be with (if you catch my drift) so we don't have to live in a post-apocalyptic world where we could get bitten at any given moment. 
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9/2/2014 | 9:56:12 AM
Need More Info
I don't watch "Walking Dead" and for that matter never watched "World War Z" so I need some additional info about the current type of Zombie. In the old 1960s movie "Night of the Living Dead" if I remember correctly the way you became a Zombie was by being bitten but not fully eaten by an existing Zombie, though I could be wrong and I don't remember where the first Zombies came from. If the current Zombies have that trait then I think I might stay and fight. If however it is some contagious germ, virus or bacteria, that causes Zombieism then I would flee though I guess the ship might take the Zombie bug with it. So can someone fill me in on how Zombieism is spread in the current Zombie apocalypse so I can make an informed decision for myself and my family. Thanks.
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9/2/2014 | 11:42:12 AM
Re: Need More Info
majenkins- It is sort of a pick your poison situation. Plenty of zombie myths. The most current ones seems to be that there is some magical moment no one really wants to discuss where millions of people get infected overnight. Could be a virus, Could be another kind of event. For whatever reason, a tiny band of people are left who have immunity to the original event. No one usually knows why in the story.

At the point, in some versions people with immunity can't become zombies. They just die when the zombies overwhelm them. In some versions a bite is the only way to directly change those people. 

Part of the fun of the question is you get to make up a little bit of the world for yourself while sticking to the general parameters.
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9/2/2014 | 11:58:45 AM
Re: Need More Info
Well if I get to make up my own parameters then I am going to invent a Zombie death ray that I can broadcast like a radar beacon and keep them away from my compound and eventually cleanse the entire planet. Of course that would leave a lot of dead/undead bodies laying around stinking up the place.
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David Wagner,
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9/2/2014 | 12:00:15 PM
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@majenkins- I'm OK with that as long as it runs on pedal power and coconuts like a Gilligan's Island episode.
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majenkins,
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9/2/2014 | 12:02:09 PM
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My compound has a huge solar array to provide power and I have lots of rechargable death ray batteries.


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