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Apple iPhone 6: Mobile Payments Pioneer?
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Rocwurst
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9/15/2014 | 10:33:41 AM
Re: Apple's already destroyed market share
"in 3Q2013 Apple's market share was 12.1% (2% decrease YoY) of the revenue"

You're confusing unit sales marketshare with revenue.  They are not the same considering that 60% of Android devcies are worth below $200 vs the vast majority of iPhones cost greater than $600.  

As a result, it is not surprising that Apple captured 85% of the profits of the entire mobile phone industry last year, up from 72% the year before.

Considering the iOS platfrom is so large (closing on 1 billion devices) and growing at such a large rate (quarter of a billion per year) and making the lion's share of manufacturer and third party ecosystem revenue and profits, why would Apple want to change their policy of only targeting the premium high-end market just to gain "market share"?
WaqasAltaf
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9/15/2014 | 9:05:53 AM
Re: Apple's already destroyed market share
Rowcurst

Regarding your first point, in 3Q2013 Apple's market share was 12.1% (2% decrease YoY) of the revenue while for Samsung alone it was 32.1%, let be the other Android phones.

Regarding your second point, I was talking about Android and Windows combined against iOS and not Windows and Apple comparison in isolation. There is no about Apple being stronger than Windows' phones.
Rocwurst
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Rocwurst,
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9/13/2014 | 10:53:02 AM
Re: Apple's already destroyed market share
"market share is decreasing."

That doesn't matter with the iOS installed base rapidly approaching 1 billion at a rate of quarter of a billion devices sold per year and iOS continuing to bring in far more revenue for developers, content providers, e-commerce vendors and advertisers.

60% of Android devices are sub-$200 glorified feature phones that contribute little to the Android platform so are irrelevant to the discussion.

"...Windows phone entered and gave tough time to Apple"

Sorry but that hasn't happened. Not only did Windows phone not grow share last quarter for example, they actually lost unit sales dropping to 7.4 million devices sold, down from 8.2 million a year ago according to IDC (compared to Apple selling 43.7 million iPhones, 16.3 million iPads and around 2 million iPod touches for a grand total of 62 million iOS devices).
WaqasAltaf
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WaqasAltaf,
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9/13/2014 | 6:21:14 AM
Re: Apple's already destroyed market share
Rocwurst, when I said sole king, I was referring to the time when smartphone was a new concept and Apple had almost no competitor. It was later when Android and Windows phone entered and gave tough time to Apple.

"Apple's loyal customer base is not contracting, it is growing "

I agree that it is growing in numbers but the % of market share is decreasing. 
Rocwurst
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Rocwurst,
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9/3/2014 | 6:01:30 PM
Re: Apple's already destroyed market share
"when Apple was almost the sole king of the smartphone industry, now it has lost a considerable market share"

Apple has never been the "sole king" of the smartphone industry in terms of marketshare. On the contrary Apple has only ever had a maximum of around 21% share of the smartphone market according to IDC with Nokia and then Android ever being able to claim that title.

However, Apple's iOS sales have increased every year since launch, growing from 62 million in 2010, to 140 million in 2011, to 206 million in 2012, to 238 million in 2013.  This year Apple is on track to sell over quarter of a Billion iOS devices.

Apple's loyal customer base is not contracting, it is growing and will soon hit 1 Billion devices sold.  In fact in terms of active users, Apple now has around 700 million active iOS users, only 30% less than Google's 1 Billion active Android users.
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9/1/2014 | 9:49:20 PM
Re: Wait, What?
You've hit the nail on the head. The lack of traction with mobile NFC payments has pretty much nothing to do with who makes the mobile device or its OS.

The big issue here is payment processor support. When you want to make an electronic payment, the payment processor needs to know how to handle the payment. This isn't a problem when you're just adding NFC payment support for an existing payment network. But for things like Google Wallet, that's a completely separate payment network that the provider needs to integrate with. These integrations aren't trivial matters, so the payment provider needs to know that it's going to make back its investment. However, until there are enough payment providers (and therefore enough retailers) using the network, nobody will bother using that payment method.

In other words, there's a bit of a catch-22. You need payment network support before people can pay using a new method, but payment provider support probably won't come until enough people are using the new payment method. This, more than anything else, is why Google Wallet hasn't really caught on.

The only way that Apple are going to make any headway here is if they manage to partner with an established, major payment network. We're talking the likes of Visa, Mastercard, Amex, etc - networks that most payment providers are already working with. If a retailer had the right equipment to be able to take NFC-based payments, they should (in theory) be able to instantly take iPhone NFC payments.

If Apple are going down this path, the question will be who they partner with. I have a lot of doubt around Visa and Mastercard, as they're more likely to want to build their own solution that ties in closer with their existing payWave and PayPass offerings. My guesses would be American Express or Diner's Club, as they're fairly widely accepted, and could use the Apple partnership to help expand their reach.
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9/1/2014 | 11:23:41 AM
Re: Umm
If this works the way Apple has been running iTunes, then you won't have to put any money into it. Allpay, and other systems like it, are temporary, short term solutions. Once a reall mobile payment system is in place, and succeeds, they will disappear from the general market. This could be the one, being backed by all three major credit card companies.
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9/1/2014 | 11:19:50 AM
Re: Umm
Perhaps if you put some thought into this rather that trying to be a platform for your anti Apple bias, you would understand it. Apple has the most experience with micro payments, something that been plaguing the payments industry. They have over 800 million credit cards used with iTunes, which includes the AppStore and their retail ARM. Amazon has less than 200 million, and no credit card company has as many.All three major credit card companies have signed on. PayPal has attempted to have Apple use them. Apple users buy more products through their phones and tablets than anyone using rival systems. Apple will sell over 200 million phones during 2015, and substantially more than that during 2016. Unlike with Android, all of those will have this system available. Retailers have been reluctant to spend thousands for NFC terminals, but are expected to do so once Apple has a system in place. If it's possible, for the first time, one may be able to use their phone for payment for transportation systems using NFC. There are a lot of reasons why this could be successful. And you would see that if you opened your eyes to reality, rather than just kept them squeezed shut, hoping Apple will fail, and your favorite company will succeed.
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9/1/2014 | 10:37:51 AM
Re: Umm
Mobile payment is not someting new. I have installed Alipay App on my mobile phone for quite long time and it's very convenient. But I share the same concern with you as well. That's why I will never put big amount of money in my Alipay account.
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9/1/2014 | 8:01:16 AM
Re: question
@mak63.... Probably not many, being this is nothing new, and android phones have had NFC for quite some time.  (Google wallet works great)... Adoption has been slow, since it is poorly understood by the general public.

Maybe Apple can mass market it successfully.  Google hasn't marketed it period.
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