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6 Reasons iPad Hybrid Tablets Are Inevitable
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EVVJSK
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4/27/2012 | 1:43:30 PM
re: 6 Reasons iPad Hybrid Tablets Are Inevitable
Oh the difficulty of having some success. For many years Apple did just well enough to stay on the Fringe of computing success. They did O.K. made a good computer that did what some wanted and worked the way that some people wanted to work. Now they get successful with the iPhone and iPad and they have to deal with that success. Start making decisions that may impact that success (face it, it is hard to stay at the top for very long just ask IBM and Microsoft). If one day, Apple fans wake up and realize how much money they have spent for the priviledge of using Apple products compare with what else is out there, they may just rethink their decision. I don't wish Apple any particular ill, just think that they may have hit a bit of a wall. Will have to see if it a plateau or if it is the beginning of a bit of a downhill trend.
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4/27/2012 | 7:25:32 PM
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"If one day, Apple fans wake up and realize how much money they have spent for the priviledge of using Apple products compare with what else is out there, they may just rethink their decision."-EVVJSK

Apple fans were never asleep to begin with. They didn't just "dream up" the fact that Apple's products, customer service and support were the highest rated in the industry. They knew then and know now that value, not price is what matters.

Apple has always provided me (and, apparently, as many as a third of all Americans) with products that that were of exceptional value. Comparing Apple products with what else is out there doesn't shake my faith in Apple - it reaffirms it.
WW Thinker
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4/28/2012 | 8:04:01 AM
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The computers which Apple offers, when compared to those from x86 PC OEMs, are strictly speaking: icing on the cake. This is why I refused to pay for them because I would rather spend a little more time to get things done. Most people who are buying Apple computers and Apple products possess the following characters: 1) has a lot of dispoable income; 2) don't spend the time to study the difference but simply trust that Apple' products can do what they want (in fact, Apple's products can achieve what people want either in a slightly more usable way but not necessarily better overall); 3) addicted to the Apple brand (such people are more abundant in Asia than in US & Europe) regardless.

There is one universal truth: everybody improves, especially under competition. Apple made the best smartphone at the time when iPhone3 was launched does NOT mean that Apple's smartphone is still the best today. Across the globe, consumers have the tendency to stick to the obselete situation and go with the past history of the perception rather than to keep the mind open.
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4/29/2012 | 5:14:48 AM
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Having owned may PC's and Mac's it is simply not fair to say that generic x86 hardware ether from a mainstream company (HP/Dell) or build it your self gaming style machine provide the same quality or performance as Mac's. They don't they can be cheaper especially as bare bones systems, but they are never nearly as good. It is especially true of laptops.
And all the hardware is besides the point. Apple software and system integration is light years ahead of anything else. MSFt knows this and that is why they are making serious strides with Windows Phone and W8. They are out of the game right now and need a home run soon to get them back - Windows 8 might just be that.
But to think that the you go out and buy something that works like a Mac or an iPad is simply not true, all you have to do is go to Best Buy (while they are still there) and play with the current crop non-apple PC's and Tablets.
You can less or more but you will not find a windows system that even has a good track pad! It's pretty sorry state, I know I just spent a few hours trying to buy a laptop for work, and after using an Mac Book Air for six months nothing else even seemed worth buying.
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4/27/2012 | 4:22:54 PM
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Combining a laptop with a multi-touch tablet is an exercise in absurdity. You only end up with a product that is the worst of both worlds.

This is why the "Tablet PC" has been such a sales dud for more than 10 years. Only a small group bought these monstrosities.

If you want an ultra-light, portable multi-touch tablet... get one. But if you need a 64-bit personal computer with keyboard and trackpad... get a MacBook Air or one of the many "Ultrabook" clones.

Applications designed for desktop and notebook computers are totally different than those designed for tablets. They NEED a keyboard and trackpad, but they are NOT designed for multi-touch.

Remember that the MacBook Air's trackpad IS a multi-touch device, so you can do your multi-touch gestures without having to move your hands and arms to the screen and then back to the keyboard again.

Any notebook computer (convertible or not) running desktop apps MUST use x86 processors. Those processors are not as energy efficient as ARM processors. Also, any notebook computer (convertible or not) has a keyboard that adds to the weight, thickness, and energy usage that are not acceptable for tablet portability.

And desktop operating systems and applications require a screen larger than the 7" to 10" range of tablets. The average notebook PC has a 13" to 15" display... this is MUCH too large and heavy (and battery draining) for a tablet.

WW Thinker
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4/28/2012 | 8:34:51 AM
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An "exercise in absurdity"? It all depends on the approach to the implementation. Never say never. In fact, if a MacAir like Windows-compatible PC were available for US$600 or lower, the sales volume of iPad would be different.

Imagine a hybrid notebook PC (0.65" thick, 10-hr battery time, cold-boot within 8s, warm-boot within 3/4s, < 3lbs, 64GB or larger SSD, 13" display at 1600x900 or 2560x1600, $700) with Win8 supporting both downloadable apps and full-blown desktop applications like Photoshop / OrCAD etc. Even at $800 or $900, I and many people would pay for it.

Lastly, how true is "ARM processors are energy efficient"? In principle, this statement is very context dependent. If you need a mobile computing device which can run business applications (I am an engineer for customer support, and I need to run OrCAD at times, iPad is useless), multimedia applications (high-def streaming, forward, etc.) and run personal apps at different times or simultaneously, even the A15 may have difficulty to do all these, while the slightly less efficient and more powerful IvyBridge or 22nm-Atom can be up to the task. As is, the applications which run smoothly on iPad and other Android-based tablets do not require such beefy processor. But, as time evolved, apps will demand more resources and the 1GB (or mostly 512MB) on-board memory and the skimpy A9/A15 cores will have problem to meet the demands. Don't you know that ARM is now trying to beef up the architecture of the Cortex core such that it is as powerful as whatever Intel's x86-architecture is capable of? Once there, an beefed-up ARM processor will consumer only slightly less power, at the same manufacturing process geometry, as the x86. This is simply physics! Anybody trying to argue against is simply "dreaming". In addition, Intel is consensed to have the best manufacturing process in the world and is at least one year or more ahead of everybody else. Consequently, even the slightly lower efficiency won't show. In fact, we may see Qualcomm, Nvidia, and TI engineers struggling to show better efficiency a year from now.

Lastly, what you are seeing today is not what will be need tomorrow. Keep you mind open. No architecture and solution can live forever and do everything without limit!
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4/27/2012 | 6:25:34 PM
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Paul, that is the crazy bunch of bull if I have ever heard one, There is no need for a iPad hybrid laptop or thingamajig or what ever name you want to give. Besides, that has never been apple vision nor Steve Job vision or the apple fan base vision...only yours. Why do you think they have 97% of the corporate tablet market to this day. I can assure it is not because of some dream of a hybrid iPad/laptop or thingamajig that you so desire. Want happen, not needed, no can do.
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4/27/2012 | 6:45:58 PM
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"Apple will eventually need to launch an iOS-based laptop for the iPad-addicted masses."

This is quite possibly the goofiest thing I've ever heard. If you can offer a fully fledged OS that is as thin as a pencil (a Macbook Air), why on Earth would you create a tablet hybrid with anything less?

"At some point, Apple will need to introduce iPads in differentiated form factors to maintain momentum."

Apple only needs to offer the most compelling tablet to maintain momentum. iPad sales are jaw-droppingly huge. Unfortunately for Android, the Samsung and Asus tablets haven't put much of a dent in Apple's tablet dominance. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. They are making way too much money on iPads right now to seriously consider changing the form factor too much.

"Apple could match that proposition by ultimately merging iOS and the Mac OS. If that happens, hybrids would surely be part of the product mix."

While this is definitely the goal of all operating system manufacturers, I don't think this guarantees a hybrid at all. Why do you feel merged OS's guarantees a hybrid form factor? Windows 8 will be functional without a keyboard, why wouldn't a merged iOS/Mac OS be?

"Apple needs to crack the enterprise, aka, business, market if it's to continue putting up the big growth numbers investors have gotten used to."

As stated above, Apple is already succeeding, including in the enterprise. Businesses are buying iPads before they even know what they are going to do with them. A hybrid is not necessary to "enter" the business market - they're already there.

I don't argue that the world needs hybrids - I myself am waiting to replace my laptop with Microsoft's version of the ASUS Transformer Prime that runs a complete Windows experience. I just argue with this flimsy "analysis". Until Apple is feeling heat from the competition, there is absolutely no reason to throw money at a new form factor that may not prove to be successful, when they have one that is clearly dominating the market.
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4/27/2012 | 7:31:36 PM
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"When a product becomes dominant like the iPad, the market tends to get saturated."

Hmm. Let's see. There were 400 million traditional PCs sold last year and 50 million tablets. By the end of this year there will be 100 million tablets sold and by sometime in 2014 or 2015 tablet sales will outnumber those of traditional PCs. And the iPad is growing at 150% a year, over twice the pace of the iPhone.

Doesn't sound like the market is "saturated" to me.

"iPad Hybrid Tablets Are Inevitable"

I don't think the word "inevitable" means what you think it means.
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4/28/2012 | 1:30:39 PM
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That assumes that the growth rate stays the same for the next three years. I'm not sure that it will.
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4/28/2012 | 1:32:05 PM
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Forgot one point: hybrids have a real keyboards. The biggest flaw of tablets is that they rely exclusively on touch using relatively small screens.
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4/29/2012 | 4:11:22 PM
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It exists. MacBook Air touch screen with opposing half covers, one is the keyboard the other a fold over stand.

But why? All the noise about these devices are to prop up failing product lines the iPad has destroyed...buy a netbook lately?
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4/30/2012 | 4:55:21 PM
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No, an iPad does not have a keyboard. But, it does have bluetooth! If you find that you need to do a lot of text entry, then simply buy a wireless keyboard and sync it up! I've even seen cases which convert your iPad into a laptop... put the iPad in the case at the top, and there's a rechargeable bluetooth keyboard in the bottom. Flip it open, prop up the top with it's built-in stand, and you've essentially got a laptop. If I had to take an iPad into a meeting and take notes, it would be a great solution!

Of course, this same solution can be applied to ANY tablet, and likely could be used for most laptops as well (ie, if you can't stand the 'chiclet' keyboard that shipped with your cheap windows netbook). Heck, I've considered doing so with my Blackberry phone, as my fingers are MUCH to big for the keys on it!!
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4/30/2012 | 5:44:54 PM
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If it feels the need then Apple can surely design a true hybrid with enough polish and elegance to bear its logo. I'm not sure how urgent this is; Apple is a thought leader and doesn't need to respond to every fad that comes out. They did OK ignoring netbooks, no?

In any case I agree with a prior post: The so called hybrid solution is out there today by adding a keyboard to the iPad. The resulting solution won't be powerful enough today to replace everyone's PCs. But it's inevitable that ARM chips will get faster and/or x86 or equivalent chips will get cooler and less greedy. In fact I can imagine a convergence of chips similar to the OS convergence being implemented by Microsoft and Apple.

All of this misses the biggest factor for me though. I just bought a MacBook Air not because my iPad is underpowered but because it doesn't have a file folder system that I can access. To the extent that Apple wants to leverage its enterprise dominance in the tablet space into greater sales in the PC space, THAT'S what it needs to address yesterday.

The cloud is all very well but it can have security and performance issues. Also business users need to be able to work offline. I want to open an Excel file attachment to an email, work on it, save it to a place I specify then open it in numbers the next time I come in. This is trivial on a PC and it must be trivial on my iPad sooner than later. Once that kind of stuff works I can happily add a keyboard and wait for the hardware to evolve. So iOS 6, what's up your sleeve???
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5/18/2013 | 12:22:26 PM
re: 6 Reasons iPad Hybrid Tablets Are Inevitable
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