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Windows 10: Your PC Is Headed For The Cloud
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PhrozenkO066
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2/6/2016 | 9:47:26 PM
Security Factors Trump Cost factors exponentially!
First off I'd like to say to all who posted negatively about Cloud based computing. Thank You! Are these idiots serious! These data mining companies that can not defend our data already have decided to put all their eggs in one pot? We do.not have the security capability in our work force to defend anything. Companies already go to the lowest bidder on Vital security needs for our world! Cyber Warfare to an extreme extent is happening right now! This is no longer a corporations issue or our governments. It's in all of us who work.in the infosec field. We are constantly underfunded, and the Inormative these companies horde they sell to 3rd parties. They say it's to customize our ad experience I don't want ads, and if I gotta buy something I'm going to check it out myself and not rely on shitty marketing ploys. This is the most ludicrous thing I've ever seen proposed. They want us to VPN into servers we can't touch see or work on. Many companies lack the insight on who to even hire for high eND security jobs. My backups from a.military hospital were stolen! Now your telling me Google who sells all my usage information in.the guise of ad cuatomizing, and where I can go for a fee and buy my information from some strange website? Stop trying to make things easy for end users and less money for fatcats. The costs cuts and the idiots who compromise our networks are everywhere. 0 day exploits aND virii aren't found for a serious amount of time unless they are coded to do something within a few months. Now your giving control over all of our information to security professionals who right now and always have been severely lacking. Against the elite Internet ninjas? Well being one of those ninjas go ahead. I hope Torvalds develops an open source computer lmfao
MyaG436
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12/11/2015 | 5:05:48 PM
More fees?
So you won't own your software, but rent it, thus, causing another monthly/annual fee.

The phone has a fee, and now your home computer will have a fee. I don't like it.
Blog Voyage
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4/30/2015 | 7:40:39 AM
Hope
Just hoping it will not be the same fail as Windows 8 ! Wait and see.
asksqn
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4/28/2015 | 5:47:25 PM
The more things change-
Let's hope Win10 is not the epic fail Win8 was. 
TerryB
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4/20/2015 | 1:29:13 PM
Re: Scalability at Multiple Ends
@GAProg hit a very key point: The hardware for thin clients is not significantly less than hardware for a desktop now. And that is for fixed workstations. The mobile (laptop) guys still pretty much needs the same hardware, no saving there that I see.

And he is also correct that if you do have your deployment already setup and image based, no real savings here either. And if you are using local servers running your business apps, it make almost no sense to put the workstations dependent on an internet connection. Yeah, they have made improvements to make WAN feasible but it is not cheap. And if you add redundant ISP, then expense goes up more.

I think main point is, yes, Win licensing was barrier and WAN was barrier, but there are more which will not a create a pardigm shift where this makes sense for the majority. It still has to be thought through very clearly.
LeeB120
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4/20/2015 | 12:32:16 PM
Don't need it
While I can see it being cheaper for some company setups, I can also see Mircrosoft using this a way to make me pay continiously for my home system too.  That isn't going to happen.    I'm not really interested in going back in history 30 years to the old mainframe/terminal days at all.   If I can't operate and work on my computer without having to be connected to the web it's time to go to a different operating system.  I've been with windows since it originally came out but this is not an advance. 
GAProgrammer
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4/20/2015 | 9:28:53 AM
Re: Scalability at Multiple Ends
I can't think of any area that runs on 2-year replacement cycles. For high end CAD, we are on 3 year cycles when times are good, 4 years when things are tight. For the average office user, we go 5 years at a minimum. Of course, budgets and time constraints are the two biggest factors. We don't have any real numbers to go on at this point, however, so we would have to see the price points to see if there is truly an ROI for cloud based VDI. 

Since the tech came out, the cloud salespeople talk about all the money you can save, but with new deployment tools, the overhead of generating a new system from a company image takes less than 5 minutes of a tech's time. I think that many companies have determined that the price savings aren't really there yet, since hardware is relatively cheap nowadays. Companies love to save money, so if there was a huge cost savings, businesses large and small would be all over the cloud. Most companies I know use the cloud for non-essential purposes - backups, user files that are replicated to the cloud (another form of backup). or for high performance computing purposes (where it really IS cheaper). 

One should also take into account the risk tolerance for losing your connection to the cloud - if you lose that connection, your entire company is now down and out, at the mercy of the telco. Not many companies are that confident in their connection.

Just some points to ponder. 
C. Gilley
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4/20/2015 | 9:17:11 AM
Either completely delusional or targeted at major corporations
I like the idea of the virtual desktop, I really do.  But there are so many issues this article glosses over it tends to become wishful thinking.  Issues that come to mind:

1) Security.  Enough said.  I supposed if my corporation had their own server farm and kept 3rd parties from prying.... but for a small/medium sized business to farm out their desktops like this?  Sorry, the # of updates across all OS' tell me that security still isn't there.

2) Data reliability.  Right now I image my laptop hard drive at least weekly. I do not have the time to re-install my OS.  What happens when their is h/w failure on the virtual server end?  Do I get a sad note pointing out that in the 25 pages of terms of service they are not responsible for data loss?  It's happened to me before.


3) Network performance - this one just makes me chuckle: "WAN optimization and cloud connectivity options have likely come a long way since your last major desktop OS refresh project."

"Have likely" is not what you base a major project on, it either has or it has not.  Further, the corporation must be willing to spend the $$ to support the network infrastructure sufficient for good performance.  Today, I have corporate IT ivory towers moving servers to corporate headquarters (centralization) which seems to be the current trend, but no thought is given to the bandwidth necessary to properly implement this approach. 
Brian.Dean
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4/20/2015 | 5:42:46 AM
Scalability at Multiple Ends
Another cost that will go down is that of physically having to upgrade hardware. For instance, if an enterprise is depreciating their desktops on a 2-year cycle then, the IaaS resources can be utilized to increase the depreciation cycle to 3 years -- saving the physical labor that is required to upgrade.


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