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JakeL642
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7/17/2014 | 11:46:50 AM
Applied to Microsoft dozens of times, over my 20 year and very successful career, never heard from them.
The only people I know who have been hired into Microsoft all knew someone on the inside who would sponsor them for an interview.

The other ways (at least in the past) were to be a contractor with a temp agency (easily fired).  People with any intelligence try to get away from agencies as quickly as possible.  So Microsoft's cheap route has poisoned the well for many other Americans.

Basically, in terms of hiring Microsoft basically behaves like the Princeton of the West.  When you throw away 99.99% of the resumes you recieve you cannot expect to be finding anything other than what your employees are sponsoring.

And why do people sponsor other people?  That's easy, it's not about skill, it's about getting more connections into the work environment.   Microsoft, being large, cannot control this. 

Further two factors are likely involved in Microsoft's big H-1b push.

- Microsoft has a huge offshore presence. They'll never admit this, but most position are really never posted in the United States.  What likely happens is that a worker is identified (and this happens thousands of times year) as someone they want to transfer to the United States, and so they are transferred using the H-1b visa.  Again, no attempt is made to look through the 99.99% of resumes that are thrown out, in order to see if a U.S. citizen has the skill first.

- Friends hire other friends.  I have seen instances where an H-1b manager, deliberately hired friend from back home in India and brought them over on an H-1b.  But to them they just saw it as tit-for-tat with their american managerial counterparts.

Microsoft is so large that it is difficult for them to see this occuring.  It doesn't always work this way,  after all there was that one guy, who protested outside of Microsoft headquarters.  Asking why Microsoft was ignoring his resume?

 
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7/17/2014 | 9:58:11 AM
Microsoft to cut up to 18,000 jobs over next year (USA Today)
Interesting story on Drudge today... http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/07/17/microsoft-job-cuts/12772901/ Microsoft to cut up to 18,000 jobs over next year So why can't they offer training to some of the 18000 they are going to cut instead of hiring 6000 on immigrant visas? I am thinking this is more about the politics than the jobs
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bsmith8378,
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7/16/2014 | 8:06:58 PM
Not True
I'm a U.S. born PhD.  My ancestors fought in the civil war, world war II and Vietnam.  Yet, I am competing with foreign engineers for jobs.  I think employers prefer them.  They don't flinch when asked to work longer hours for less money. 
JamesB171
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JamesB171,
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5/21/2014 | 3:18:18 PM
re: Microsoft Says 6,000 Jobs Open, Wants More Visas
I have workd for and with many different people of several nationalities. It has been my experience that the Inidan and Chinese are the most difficult to work with. They are very condescending and very dismissive of anything that is not their idea. I have been a manager and have experienced the same people in a situation where I was the boss and their attitudes are very different. Their culturer (Indian and Chinese) gives them a certain indset and they are not willing to be cooperative if they are in the position of power. I am a very open minded individual and this is just my personal experience. There is one thing that really pisses mne off and that is being called racists just because you voi8ce your opinion, ecven when it is based on personal experience. I have worked with people from all over the world and this is just my observation.
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deoks,
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8/12/2013 | 7:00:59 PM
re: Microsoft Says 6,000 Jobs Open, Wants More Visas
Just do a search on Monster or Dice and see how many open positions pop out. I am a manager and know how difficult it is to find candidates who have the skill sets to fill in the experienced programming jobs. I would prefer to hire a citizen or green card holder as it's less immigration headache. Hiring an H1b worker requires additional approvals which most Managers dont want to go through. But unfortunately it's not a eay task to fill out open positions with non-h1b candidates. It's not a cake walk for those working under H1B visa's as you guys make out to be and mind you they are well paid as their american counterparts. Someone who commented earlier turned a Microsoft job ... really? You do know that HR takes racism very seriously and can fire that person if you go through that situation. Isn't your comment a form of racism?. In this economy if you have a citizenship and right skill set it's not a difficult task to find a job.
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ANON1241882670343,
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10/2/2012 | 5:10:27 AM
re: Microsoft Says 6,000 Jobs Open, Wants More Visas
I was offered a job at microsoft last year. I turned it down.

One of the reasons for my decision was one of the Indian programmers told me "you don't just hit the publish button to deploy your code. It's a complicated process here." I replied by asking--since cloud is their new strategy--if they use multiple virtual servers to split test different versions of the website. Different versions could be stored on different cloud servers, and changes in the conversion rate tracked. It was a good interview response. But the statement made bothered me.

If I wrote something, it wouldn't get deployed to production easily. He implied that he, and his friends would be an obstacle--even if the boss decided to hire me (which the manager did.)

I suspect that racism among Indians is the true reason for the "shortage" in this economy. The development staff--in a world that includes China, Russia,and Mexico--is 60%-70% Indian. The racism of Indians is the only explanation--India is NOT the highest scoring country in STEM or in any other field.

But Indians are among the most racist people the US imports. They simply refuse to work, or cooperate with anyone who is not Indian.

The result is--once you have a 70% Indian development staff, it must be 100% or nobody gets any work done.

The US has 100 times as many Mensa members as Microsoft employees. That's right--we could fill every member of Microsoft's staff, including the janitor, with a member of Mensa's high-IQ society, 100 times over and still not run out of geniuses.

So, at the right price--which Microsoft is WILLING to pay--geniuses exist in the US market.

The simple, and sad truth, is Indians won't work with qualified Americans--or for that matter, qualified people of any non-Indian nationality.

Indians are SO racist in the workplace that people are scared to talk about it. If you call an Indian racist, you're fired. If you call a white American racist, he asks you to forgive him for whatever he might have done wrong. Indians are known for being so racist that, as a common expression goes "Indians are never racist."

One Indian, whose intelligence I did admire, once told me sarcastically, "OK, so you're smart. I guess I'll just pack my bags and go home." He instead choose to play political games with his coworkers to ensure accomplishing anything would be difficult.

The fact is, H-1B is not nearly diverse enough. There's talented people all over the world. Many of these countries have math scores MUCH higher than India's.

We need to make sure H-1B is diverse enough that there is no chance for racism amongst the immigrants whom we are giving A LOT of power and authority to.

It's as if the Army were to recruit mercenaries to be officers because they're both smart and cheaper. While that decision may be questionable, I sure wouldn't want all the mercenaries to be from the same country. Every mercenary may have a second loyalty, but they shouldn't all agree on what it is.

India is not as diverse a country as the US. Indians have not been taught to be tolerant like the Americans have.

We're going to accept them. The question is, if we turn over the keys to Indians and allow the to "own" an important software development center, will they accept us?

If the answer is no, and we want opportunity for Americans, wouldn't it be better to import a diverse group of Chinese, Mexican, Kenyan, Indian, and Russian programmers? With such a diverse group, wouldn't it be guaranteed the new development team would also tolerate an American or two?

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Two questions for your non-racist Indian friends:

Are Indians smarter than Americans?

If they are smarter than Americans, are they Americans?

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10/1/2012 | 8:19:43 PM
re: Microsoft Says 6,000 Jobs Open, Wants More Visas
Tell Brad Smith and his friends at Microsoft to read this and then get Dr. Cappelli's book before they start throwing around the "skills gap" fallacy.

http://business.time.com/2012/...
pkohler01
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10/1/2012 | 6:28:37 PM
re: Microsoft Says 6,000 Jobs Open, Wants More Visas
Colleges are only producing 40,000 STEM grads per year?! Has that been independently verified? That is a horrifying figure if it's true!
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10/1/2012 | 5:24:17 PM
re: Microsoft Says 6,000 Jobs Open, Wants More Visas
As one of those people that Microsoft and alot of other companies says that are not out there, I find their comments rather hilarious, if it was not so depressing. I have been looking for 6 years for a full time position in Networking and PC Support. I have a degree in computer programing and more than 20 years experince in supporting PC's and networks and I enjoy the challange of working with new hardware and software. Do not get me wrong, I have met some highly qualified people that work under the H1B policys because they had some skills that I did not, but do not insult me in saying that there are no qualified people out there so they have go H1B. It is true that the US is losing its edge to other countries but why go into a field that is being outsourced to other countries. One thing that corporate American seems not see is that you lose the competitive edge by outsourcing because it is cheaper in one way, but you lose the support of the people because they see it as not being done in house so it is not cheaper.
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10/1/2012 | 5:20:47 PM
re: Microsoft Says 6,000 Jobs Open, Wants More Visas
They have a shortage of people who will work for $.50 on the dollar.
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