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Windows 8 Beats The Mac, Appsolutely
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Gervs
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10/17/2012 | 3:02:36 AM
re: Windows 8 Beats The Mac, Appsolutely
Big, bold and centered around apps maybe OK for tablets and phones but it looks a little "childish" to be on a desktop. Touch controls are truly great but not for everything
I think windows 8's biggest new adoption will be through tablets as a windows pro tablet would be capable enough to replace a current laptop entirely. Of course people will buy windows desktops, after all it is the market leader, but the metro layout will mostly be overlooked after the initial novelty wears off (for those without a touchscreen desktop).

As a side note this is the first time I have seen an author not only argue but covertly, then overtly (possibly after losing their temper) insult their readers and commenters, whilst accusing them of being intolerant of viewpoints other than their own. I mean; correcting people's accusations of payment for positive reviews is one thing but insulting them for suggesting it, then getting into an argument over semantics is not only highly unprofessional but also pretty childish, especially for someone who is a "senior editor" (according to the bio link below). Yes, people troll and say vile things in comments, but shouldn't the author show a little bit more self control and dignity than to engage in a pointless back and forth, to show that they are above petty comments left my relatively anonymous posters. I look forwar to more of Paul McDougal's articles, as the comments section is quiet insightful and entertaining, shame the article was predicable for the outset.
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jasonscott,
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10/17/2012 | 2:42:41 AM
re: Windows 8 Beats The Mac, Appsolutely
First, arguing with your readers isn't exactly endearing.

Second, you seem to be completely unaware of and unfamiliar with a significantly similar desktop technology from Apple that pre-dates -- by more than 8 years! -- the technology that you're applauding MSFT for bringing to the desktop. This shows either an appalling lack of research (and thus professionalism) on your part, or an inexcusable bias.

Your article focused on the Win8 desktop having small single-purpose "apps" conveniently at-the-ready. You mentioned nothing of the same app running cross-platform, on multiple devices. Apple's Widgets are apps that are conveniently accessible on the Mac -- click the Dock icon; swipe to the side on the trackpad, hit a key on the keyboard. I'll concede that Win8 Tiles are more visible, built right into the desktop. But I don't want my Widgets/Tiles in my face all the time. I don't need them there all the time. And I'm quite certain that the Tiles desktop will look old pretty quick, despite the ever-changing nature of them. Lest we forget that one of people's favorite things to do with their desktop is to personalize it with family photos, vacation spots, whatever.
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jasonscott,
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10/17/2012 | 2:24:35 AM
re: Windows 8 Beats The Mac, Appsolutely
@Palantir ... I don't think Mr. McDougall was paid by MSFT to write this article.

It seems far more likely that he's just completely uninformed and possibly biased. He completely overlooked that Apple has had Widgets -- which are actually single-purpose or simplified applications that date all the way back to OSX "Tiger" in 2004 -- three years before Apple introduced us to "apps" in the iPhone.

When you consider that, it hardly seems like MSFT is taking the lead on this. On the contrary, MS is just now about to offer something that its primary competitor has had for 8 years.

Then again, maybe Mr. McDougall did know about OSX Widgets. In that case, you'd have to wonder why he didn't at least mention them ... which certainly sounds like something that someone might do if they were trying to gain favor with MSFT.

But I'd hate to think that Mr. McDougall would have done something like that.
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johnitguru,
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10/17/2012 | 1:23:21 AM
re: Windows 8 Beats The Mac, Appsolutely
Incredible horse manure. MicroKlunk has NO APPS and worse their interface is so FUGLY no one wants to be caught dead using it!
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10/16/2012 | 11:55:26 PM
re: Windows 8 Beats The Mac, Appsolutely
it's no longer (a) or (b): there's a 3d choice: Linux.

Dell is already offering systems pre loaded with Canonical's Ubuntu desktop and this may be an easier switch than win8... plus you get a much better designed os...
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10/16/2012 | 11:21:17 PM
re: Windows 8 Beats The Mac, Appsolutely
I checked in the thesaurus and conspiracy and paranoia aren't listed as interchangeable words either. You really have no idea what paranoia is? I am not paranoid and was joking at your highly unpopular personal, unbiased and poorly explained opinion. Your comment about running apps coded fo iOS on OS X to a degree is a valid one; however Apple's developmental tools make it extremely easy to port the code to each platform. Time will tell how important it will be to have the exact same app run on all device. My opinion is that I am tickled my desktop apps are way better than my cell phone and tablet apps. When it comes to the unilateral idea that all software runs on any device, in my opinion will mean that software will bow to the lowest common denominator and run at the level a cell phone can provide. So either software will be at a stand still until cell phones and tablets catch up or are we suddenly at the technology limit for hardware? My opinion is that both are ridiculous conclusions. Your opinion is an interesting one and It certainly is an argument that would have been worth mentioning in your article above. That is not the case you made. You said in your article they are just close cousins, insinuating that the phone needs different code, not interchangeable so which is it? Regardless it is barely different than the conversion required on OS X. I hope that Microsoft has a great idea and it is fully implemented and their new OS changes the face of computing. However if their own history repeats as history usually does their approach will be nothing but a gimmick that fades into obscurity. The good news is that windows 10 will probably catch up with OS X Lion. The best versions of Windows have always been when they finally copy what the other guy does better. Long live Windows 7 best MS OS so far, a great polished OS (oh and it looks good too).
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10/16/2012 | 9:40:06 PM
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I do not agree. It is great that Microsoft may have a phone and tablet operating system that can compete with Apple and could even offer some features exceeding the current Apple iPhone and iPad features. However, Windows 8 is misguided for business and business desktop computing. Windows 8 has insured a long life for Windows 7 in corporate America. All of a sudden the game has changed. Just think of the retraining and burden on IT departments to install and train hundreds of thousands of employees. No start menu, the staple of Windows to-date. Touch software running on mouse machines. We supply an application to corporate America and I can tell you, this will not fly. My own business admistrator and office manager took one look and said "Keep it off my computer".

Microsoft has become over focused on social computing and phones and it seem most of the editors writing articles have as well.

As far as the Windows 8 table and phone market, it is all smoke at this time. The test in using. When I go into an Apple store, I see it full of enthusiastic users. Also, there are usually children at the demo table playing with an iPad. If you have a problem, you take the device to an Apple Genius and they get it fixed. What do you do with a malfunctioning Surface or brand x, Windows 8 tablet. There are no Microsoft Stores in the mall.

I am quite anxious to see how this all plays out. Bill Gates was in the right place at the right time and became rich and famous because he owned DOS when IBM walked through the door. Apple was created by vision. Where is the vision at Microsoft? Windows has never been an efficient operating system. I do, at least, hope Windows 8 runs more efficiently than Windows of the past.

Competition is great for product development and consumers. The Microsoft Offerings will probably improve Apple products in the future. Certainly, the reverse is true for Microsoft and Google.
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10/16/2012 | 9:04:23 PM
re: Windows 8 Beats The Mac, Appsolutely
Click on launchpad on MacOSX screen and you have Windows 8 like interface. What is lacking is the live icons/tiles that Windows 8 has. That is all the difference between MacOSX and Windows 8 at the moment. Paul should have compared these two modes of the graphical user interface not mixing desktop interface with launchpad/tile interface.
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10/16/2012 | 7:49:05 PM
re: Windows 8 Beats The Mac, Appsolutely
To the point that " there is no such thing as a touchable Mac" I suggest this is almost exactly what you get when you combine Mountain Lion with the Multi-Touch trackpad. It took a full day to get used to, but now when my fingers are on the trackpad they are "on the screen" - and I don't have to reach away from my (blue tooth) keyboard!
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10/16/2012 | 7:22:34 PM
re: Windows 8 Beats The Mac, Appsolutely
I definitely would NOT call this the "end' of OSX but I think this (Windows 8) will get more traction than people think.

I don't like Windows 8. At least, I did not like the consumer preview. I don't have a real issue with Windows 7 and my phone is Android so my patience for learning the new GUI might have been biased from the start. BUT, I was thinking about it today, and I don't think if I was forced to use Window 8 on a new computer it would be all that bad (and I DON'T like change when I don't feel things are broken). I think, over time, I'd probably get used to it, even like it.

If that is MY attitude (and I'm a persnickity tech consumer), then I think most people will be fine with transitioning to Windows 8 (especially younger users with no old habits to break).

That said, once consumers get used to 8 on a laptop or desktop, I think, like the article infers, when they go to upgrade their smartphone and/or tablet, they may give a WP8 touch/mobile device a 2nd look. After all, they will recognize the GUI from their own computer.

I think, right now, the AVERAGE (non geek) consumer does not make a strong connection between the look of the current W8 handsets and the Windows desktop software they have used all their lives.

With Windows 8, Microsoft is (finally) changing that. I also think the likelihood of enterprise adoption will help. So many of us use Windows and Office in our jobs, there is no learning curve when we get home. If MS can continue that trend with Windows 8.....

It's pretty much how it created the "evil" empire in the first place.
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