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Heisenberg
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11/15/2012 | 4:25:28 PM
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Sinofsky quits and now this news. MS is more poorly managed than the US Govt.
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11/15/2012 | 4:56:05 PM
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The thing is, it's NOT news! In fact, it's plain poor journalism.

Microsoft made it VERY clear that the Surface Pro will be release 90 days after the Surface RT is released.
VasyaPupkinsan
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11/15/2012 | 5:21:16 PM
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It is too late to use your shill's tricks and blame it on journalism. Ask Ballmer for other scapegoating pointers.
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11/15/2012 | 5:25:38 PM
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I'm merely stating facts, unlike the author of this article.
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11/15/2012 | 8:46:09 PM
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Troll Alert...
ruefrak
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11/15/2012 | 4:29:18 PM
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I don't think it's delayed at all. It might help if you went back and re-watched the video introducing the Surface from back in June. Sinofsky says very clearly that the RT version would be available when Windows 8 launches and the Surface Pro would launch 90 days later. Surface Pro had a launch date of January since the day it was announced. So what's the problem here? Or rather where is the disarray?
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11/15/2012 | 4:35:09 PM
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My thought exactly. This isn't news - it is merely a different spin on already existing information. But, the media pile-on begins now that there's a convenient narrative bandwagon on which to jump.
VasyaPupkinsan
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11/15/2012 | 5:08:35 PM
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Overhyped BS usually leads to aftermath.

Ballmersoft exacerbates the issue by stocking up on scapegoats upfront.
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11/15/2012 | 4:32:33 PM
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Silo-ed departments? Check. Firing the "lowest performers" each year? Check. Ignoring reams of user feedback? Check. Formula for failure? On track! Carry on gentleman.
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11/15/2012 | 4:34:48 PM
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Might there be an ulterior motive for this article? The author seems to have ignored, or been ignorant of, what seems to be common knowledge.

From PC World (June 19, 2012) quote:

The Windows RT version of Surface is due to come out during the general release of Windows 8, which is expected in the fall, around October. The Surface Pro is scheduled for release about three months later, meaning in early 2013. Microsoft did not offer any specifics beyond these general time lines.

Did Microsoft say/do something to really irritate Info. Week?
VasyaPupkinsan
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11/15/2012 | 5:10:57 PM
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Do you care? Unless you are a shill on Ballmer's payroll.
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11/15/2012 | 5:43:04 PM
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In other words, if someone is lying or advancing a clearly and obviously contradictory or false impression, no one should call them on it if they're not financially involved. Maybe journalism is in the toilet that it's in precisely BECAUSE people don't call out obvious falsehoods often enough.
VasyaPupkinsan
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11/15/2012 | 5:52:45 PM
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If someone is not delivering a product and is lying about features (such as 32 GB instead of actual 16 GB), then boasts and randomly sacks the head of division. I would find that worthy writing about.
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11/15/2012 | 6:12:38 PM
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Where have they lied about the size of the memory? Find me a spec sheet where they lied? They never advertised available storage. In fact, NO COMPANY advertises available storage.

At least you can expand the storage on the Surface RT by simply popping in a 64GB Micros SD card.
VasyaPupkinsan
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11/15/2012 | 6:23:06 PM
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I dont care about stinking SD cards. Period.

Advertised 32 GB can reasonably be expected to be occupied, but still be at least 90% available, not 50. You buying a coffee and getting just half of it would complain won't you?
premier511
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11/18/2012 | 2:37:15 AM
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Go buy an iPad then
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11/15/2012 | 4:36:08 PM
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Can't wait till it's out.
VasyaPupkinsan
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11/15/2012 | 5:10:06 PM
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It's out. Stop shilling, go and actually BUY one.
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11/15/2012 | 5:47:25 PM
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Surface Pro is NOT out. It will be out in January, 90 days from when the Surface RT was launched, as Microsoft stated.
VasyaPupkinsan
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11/15/2012 | 5:55:52 PM
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according to @npco543:disqus above that Surface Pro is not a consumer product but rather an enterprise product. So you won't miss anything, go and buy it NOW.
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11/15/2012 | 6:04:32 PM
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Surface Pro is full Windows 8 - it's for both consumers AND enterprise. Personally, I need the Surface Pro because of the software I need to run on it.
VasyaPupkinsan
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11/15/2012 | 6:08:03 PM
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Well, this article is about failed consumer product, which is Winows RT and Surface RT. Wait for next year's article.
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11/15/2012 | 6:10:33 PM
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No, this article is about Windows 8 and Windows RT. Surface Pro is a Windows 8 tablet.
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11/15/2012 | 6:14:24 PM
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Ok, its perfectly legit in claiming that Windows RT on Surface RT failed. So it has merits.
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11/15/2012 | 6:31:51 PM
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What evidence do you have which supports that Surface RT has failed?
VasyaPupkinsan
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11/15/2012 | 6:52:33 PM
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Firing head of the project. Microsoft is sued over 32GB storage claim. Consumer tablet costs more than competition.
I did not buy it. I do not want it.
It is based on failed interface of WP7 00..oops, that would be you?
Uptown Haberdasher
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11/17/2012 | 8:06:21 AM
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Microsoft is right to smell opportunity in tablet-land: Apple's stuff is lovely, but it costs an arm and a leg. Google's stuff is cheap, but they've only just got their stuff sorted out on phones; they've still a way to go on tablets.

Yet, Microsoft thinks it can show up late to the party with a limp operating system, a closed ecosystem with no apps, and charge iPad prices. It won't fly unless they halve the price or stop half-assing it.
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11/15/2012 | 4:40:08 PM
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Clover Trail tablet ATIV came into AT&T stores this week. I went in yesterday to look at phones and just noticed it there. It was nice while I messed with it... certainly not "unavailable for the holidays".
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11/15/2012 | 4:48:04 PM
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Seriously Paul? They said it's coming in January... Being that It's mid November, It's not supposed to be here. How are we expected to trust journalists or bloggers when everything they print is meant to be sensationalist?

"The delay, according to industry sources, has
thrown the company's tablet plans, and indeed much of its strategy
around Windows 8, into disarray."

Industry sources or educated industry sources? Did you talk with Phil personally?
Tom V
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11/15/2012 | 4:51:23 PM
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I'm not a expert in Math but when Surface was introduced to the world, MS would release Surface Pro 90 days after the release of the RT version.

Surface RT was released on Oct 26th. So wouldn't the Pro version come some time around the end of January?

Is there an editor at Information Week that can fact check these doom-and-gloom articles before public release? Oh wait, you are the editor (at large).
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11/15/2012 | 5:13:07 PM
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And you too. Read the article first.
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11/15/2012 | 4:59:00 PM
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Thank you for writing about this. I've been trying to buy a Windows 8 tablet since the 10/26 release and you can hardly find them anywhere. And it's not just the Surface Pro and Atom tablets that are MIA - you can't even find the iCore based touch enabled devices in stock anywhere. I've wondered why the press wasn't picking up on this story
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11/15/2012 | 4:59:32 PM
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Some readers are making the point that Microsoft has previously stated that Surface Pro would ship 90 days after Surface RT. That's true, but that statement came *after* it said its goal was to have WinRT and Win8 Pro systems ship at the same time. I refer you to Sinofsky's blog, which I quote toward the end of the story.
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11/15/2012 | 5:28:51 PM
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Paul, you are being disingenuous to sell eyeballs. Shame on you.

Your article is also *after*:
"Microsoft has previously stated that Surface Pro would ship 90 days after Surface RT"

So what are you doing here? Defending an article by using a Microsoft statement that has been revised and then pointing to that same quote when a new release time frame has already been set?

Two statements
First One: Feb 9. 2012, "Hey we are releasing at the same time"
Second one: August 2012: "Ok, now we are releasing 90 days later"

Six months later they have had to make adustments that everyone now knows about and you use the FIRST one to build your November 2012 article on? Do you always do this? Use outdated information without regard to current information?

Now correct me if I am wrong but this clearly shows Microsoft had to adjust their time table and also that they told EVERYONE about it. Seems like a lot of companies are forced to do this when things change... no?

Your defense makes you look worse, you should stop typing now.

Your Credibility = Completely Lost.
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11/15/2012 | 5:54:30 PM
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Spot on Eric. Journalism really is going down the crapper. It's just click bait.
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11/15/2012 | 5:53:38 PM
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Nice rebuttal Eric. Everybody sees what is happening here.
Shame on Information Week and PMcDougall. You have joined Computerworld, InfoWorld and other formally paper based rags that have not survived the move to digital.
These days, REAL news comes from CNet, The Verge, Engadget, etc...Not these clowns. Microsoft, Apple, Google know that, so that is who they talk to.
And that is why these guys are conjuring sensationalist nonsense out of thin air and calling it news.
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11/17/2012 | 6:10:26 AM
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==--
PAUL:
When Microsoft's marketing scum pretending to be real people badmouth your article and your publication, your employer should pay you a bonus for doing a good job.

MICROSOFT MARKETING SCUM:
I've read InfoWeek, InfoWorld, and Computerworld in paper editions for decades. They are the "Washington Post" and "New York Times" of our industry.

When they call Ballmer out on his latest failure, it caries gravitas and authority not shared by web sites that MS can bribe with interviews and invitations. They also have more integrity (i.e. authority) than PC Mag, which has been planting stories for Redmond ever since their shameful "Will Linux Kill Windows?" cover story during the antitrust trial (which I was involved in for the good guys).

EVERYONE ELSE:
Read Dvorak's column about Redmond marketing shills' coordinated project to sway Win8/Surface opinion by polluting IT comment sites with their dishonest propaganda.

-faye
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11/15/2012 | 5:00:05 PM
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There's a contradiction in your article that's worth pointing out. Yes, enterprise customers will only be interested in the Surface Pro. And yes, Surface Pro might (likely will) miss the holiday shopping season. But those two facts do not equal Microsoft's tablet strategy being in complete disarray for the simple fact that the enterprise doesn't make or time their purchase decisions based on the holiday shopping season.

The consumer tablet (Surface RT) is available now and will be available through the holiday season when the target market (the consumer) will be most likely to treat themselves to a new toy.

The enterprise tablet (Surface Pro) will be available whenever it's ready, reliable and fully functional. The holiday shopping season doesn't matter because the enterprise doesn't buy tablets (or any equipment) as Christmas presents.

Sure, there IS consumer interest in Surface Pro, and they might loose out on some of that interest by missing the holiday shopping season, but that amount will likely be very small because the people who are most interested in Pro for it's ability to run x86 applications will wait for it. There's no choice - if you want to run x86, neither the RT, Android or for that matter, iOS tablets will do the job. For those who running x86 apps isn't important, they can buy the RT right now.

In other words, if you're not going to wait for the Pro, then you're not that interested in x86 compatibility, and if you're not interested in x86 compatibility, then the RT is available right now. If you're not interested even in RT, that speaks to the features and value of the tablet itself, which is an entirely different subject than simple availability.

I'm not saying Microsoft's Windows 8/tablet/mobile strategy in general is good or bad, but you're pasting together very disparate things to reach a specific conclusion.
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11/15/2012 | 5:12:23 PM
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DId you read the article?
It is not about the release date.
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11/15/2012 | 5:14:15 PM
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Yea, it's about missing the holiday shopping season, which happens to mean exactly ZERO to the enterprise.
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11/15/2012 | 5:19:01 PM
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If it means ZERO to enterprise Ballmersoft should have communicated their intention better and released the damn thing next year when it would be ready and polished for mission critical tasks.

If I were enterprise I would not need buggy nonfunctional tablet.
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11/15/2012 | 5:25:35 PM
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Huh? Ballmer DID communicate their intentions, by saying the Pro version would follow RT by 90 days. They're still within that window, that DOES put it into next year, and the reason for the staged release is likely PRECISELY to make sure it's ready and polished.

In other words, they're doing EXACTLY what you're suggesting, yet you manage to claim otherwise and criticize them for that.

Edit: In re-reading your comment, I'm struck by the clearly failed logic. You say that they should have released it (I'm assuming the Pro, since that's the only version the enterprise is interested in) next year when it was ready and polished. Do you realize that the Pro is NOT OUT YET? By saying they should have released it (past tense) next year when it was ready/polished, you're saying that they ALREADY released it and that it was not ready/polished.

You claim Microsoft has done the exact opposite of what they actually did, and then criticize them for not doing the exact opposite of what you've claimed they did. You say A is B and that B is wrong for not being A. I love it.
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11/15/2012 | 5:43:50 PM
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Why did you bring up enterprise?
Seems Ballmersoft does not care about PEOPLE and this holiday season.

If their tablets are not designed for people - then why so much HYPE this year.

Do it first and then boast your a..s off.
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11/15/2012 | 7:53:20 PM
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Vasya, go away, quit posting. You are saying nothing of value. You have gone off course, missed the point. Quit wasting space. Go kiss you iPad.
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11/15/2012 | 5:51:46 PM
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There already is a non-functional tablet for the enterprise - it's called the iPad.

That's why the Surface Pro is coming, because enterprise needs a proper fully functional tablet.
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11/15/2012 | 6:01:34 PM
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iPad was never advertised for enterprise. Where are you getting that from?
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11/15/2012 | 6:08:00 PM
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I never said it was advertised for enterprise. That's exactly why I have labelled it a non-functional tablet for enterprise. You obviously missed the humour!
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11/15/2012 | 6:11:21 PM
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It is perfectly functional consumer product for this Holiday Season.
And why the hell it needs to be enterprise and why you've assumed it needs to be enterprise is beyond me. I think you should just leave it alone.
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11/15/2012 | 6:16:18 PM
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Nope, I'm not going to leave it alone for the simple reason that it winds you up!!! :)

Like I said, I never said that iPad needs to be for enterprise. What I AM saying is that the iPad IS CRAP for the enterprise.
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11/15/2012 | 6:25:48 PM
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Whatever, iPad is also CRAP for flying a Mars mission into space or performin a heart surgery.

Surface is way more CRAP than even half of what iPad can do. So...
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11/15/2012 | 6:41:54 PM
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iPad is better than Surface? LOL.

Does the iPad have a USB port for connecting a printer, backup drive, USB stick, XBox controller, or any other USB devcie? Nope.

Does the iPad have Micros SD card expansion? Nope.

Does the iPad have an integrated kick-stand? Nope.

Can the iPad run two apps side-by-side? Nope.

Does the iPad have Live Tiles? Nope.

Does the iPad support desktop mode which can be extended to a second screen? Nope.

Does the iPad have a Micro HDMI port? Nope.

Does the iPad support multiple users? Nope.

Does the iPad include FREE Microsoft Office? Nope.

All of the above is a YES for the SURFACE RT.

I could keep going, but basically the point is this - There is LOADS that the Surface CAN DO which the iPad CANNOT.
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11/15/2012 | 7:02:56 PM
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As a tablet consumer I don't feel I've lost much with connecting a printer.... Everthing else in your list does not matter to me on a tablet.

BTW, learn to use iPad, there are tons of Office replacements which are much more usable there. Office actually feels retarded and outdated and for what? For editing resumes? In case Ballmer fires and need to show someone knows Office?
USB and HDMI with mirrored or extended view is there through adapters.

Live Tiles is BS... seriously, poor man's replacement of notification centers.

And that's it.
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11/15/2012 | 5:14:32 PM
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So you saying you are trashing Microsoft and not you nor anyone else did a research on what you just wrote?
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11/15/2012 | 8:24:12 PM
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Marcus is dead right, the author fails to understand the difference between Windows Pro OS and Surface Pro tablet in the first place.

On 26th Oct, both Windows Pro OS and Surface with Windows RT were released as planned. The Surface Pro which will come with Windows Pro OS will be available in 90 days.

If this is not clear to the writer, he needs to do some research.

Idiots!
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11/15/2012 | 5:24:07 PM
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You did not have anything to add either, besides Ballmer's tricks to blame journalism and everything else.
I will wait for Ballmer to fire you for not doing real job and instead posting total BS in comments.
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11/15/2012 | 5:27:56 PM
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I think the author is trying to hint that the 3 month lag between the Surface Pro and Surface RT was less due to strategy and more due to logisitics/production issues and problems with Clovertrail availability. New silicon availability always has risks and if something goes wrong, it takes months for the next version to be available. Perhaps the author is trying to point out ways in which this delay is hurting Microsoft in the enterprise space? The three month gap from view of market positioning is very harmful to Microsoft and they would do anything they could to narrow that.
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11/15/2012 | 5:40:01 PM
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Actually it is a good thing. Clovertrail suck anyways. I believe you will find that the Pro tabs will be launched at CES in 2013 & find that Intel and Microsoft are working together to time the launch to coincide with the launch of the Haswell microarchitecture & find the newest Intel low power comsumption chip in the Windows 8 Pro Surface.

I think the Clover powered devices will also roll out as a lower priced alternative or be relegated to standard 8 tabs, but Surface & many of the high end tabs will be Haswell. Afterall, Intel has been working on Haswell since early 2011 with a stated objective of it launching early in 2013 for specific use in convertible & hybrid Ultrabooks, as the Surface Pro is intended to be.
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11/15/2012 | 5:49:01 PM
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Microsoft has been pretty clear about their schedule. I don't quite know why this is a surprise to Mr. McDougall. Yes, there could be a lot better marketing about the differences between RT and Pro, but Microsoft has always been a poor marketer when it comes to those kinds of details. Move along. Nothing to see here.
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11/15/2012 | 5:50:28 PM
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Show dignity and follow your own advice
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11/15/2012 | 6:30:21 PM
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Show some intelligence and stop commenting with nonsense.
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11/15/2012 | 6:45:16 PM
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Ok, a couple things here: First, Microsoft, as others have said, was very clear on its plans for Surface. The Surface RT was set for Windows 8 Release (10/26) and the Surface Pro was given a loose "three months later" release date. That puts it at or around the end of January. That was always the release date for the Pro, and isn't news. Why Microsoft wanted to approach this is unknown, though part of it could be a desire to focus on one product release at a time, hammering out RT details before moving on to the Pro. That's complete conjecture on my part, though.

The second thing: the Pro is going to run an i5, not an Atom. So, the delays to Clover Trail are not related to the Surface's January release date. The Clover Trail does seem to be delayed, but OEMs are also slow-rolling their tablet strategies as well. The Dell XPS 10 has the same mid-December release date as the Latitude 10. That's an RT tablet that again isn't affected by Clover Trail. The only Windows 8/RT tablet you can find right now (besides the surface RT) is the ASUS VivoTab RT. The Samsung SmartPC is supposed to come out any day now, though, so maybe more are on their way.
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11/15/2012 | 7:55:49 PM
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Information Week writers seem to be doing this to Microsoft all the time, especially anything Windows 8 related. I read some of IW articles just to get my blood boiling, then delete the article. About ready to delete IW entirely. They have become worthless.
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11/15/2012 | 8:19:21 PM
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Idiot writer, understand the difference between Windows Pro and Surface Pro in the first place. Windows Pro OS was released on 26th, along with Surface and Microsoft has kept its word.

Now for Surface Pro, which is a new hardware that can run Windows Pro OS is expected in 90 days post 26th October. So still time.

The is no confusion, other than you are an idiot and not in touch with what is happening in the IT world.

Information week needs to fire this person immediately, stupid, ignorant and fanboi writing articles without any basis or background
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11/15/2012 | 10:39:59 PM
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Microsoft have always said 90 days after RT for Pro, how is that a delay? As for Clovertrail, yes they weren't available at launch which is a shame but there are delays and delays. You may wish to speak to Mr Thurrott down at winsupersite as he got a retail Samsung Clovertrail tab yesterday, with pictures to prove it...
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11/15/2012 | 10:48:14 PM
re: Microsoft Windows 8 Tablet Plans In Disarray
You have no credibility.

MS publicly stated a schedule in February. They then revised their schedule in June.

5 months later you claim disarray even though you admit they said in June - 90 days later.

You're a laughingstock.
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11/15/2012 | 10:51:14 PM
re: Microsoft Windows 8 Tablet Plans In Disarray
The disarray is more imagined than real. At the release of Surface RT, the projected release of Pro was 90 days. The 90 days is not yet up. That Microsoft is not making song and dance, preferring to be as tight-lipped as they were about the Surface, does not signal any disarray. I think.
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11/16/2012 | 1:47:37 PM
re: Microsoft Windows 8 Tablet Plans In Disarray
"Steven Sinofsky said in February that the company's goal was to have Windows 8 Pro and Windows RT systems ship "simultaneously."

That's a lie, as NOBODY had even heard that Microsoft was creating the Surface tablet until June... This writer (Paul McDougall) is trying to cover up his own ignorance with a straight out lie...

He may have misunderstood Sinofsky saying that Windows 8 and Windows RT (the operating systems) would ship simultaneously, which they have, but that has nothing to do with the Surface tablet...

And if Sinofsky was talking about Windows 8 and Windows RT systems in general (from the OEMs) then he's correct, as both Windows 8 and Windows RT systems are currently available, and have been for a few weeks now... Even Intel-powered tablets running Windows 8 are available now, such as the Samsung ATIV Smart PC which uses a Clover Trail processor...

Either way, Paul McDougall is either ignorant or he's an idiot, neither of which is a good quality to have for a so-called "Tech Journalist"...
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11/17/2012 | 5:44:34 AM
re: Microsoft Windows 8 Tablet Plans In Disarray
===--
FUNNIEST THING IN THE IT PRESS THIS WEEK:

In this comments section, one of Ballmer's marketing shills pretending to be a real person (see Dvorak's recent column) painted himself into a rhetorical corner while (as they all do), dragging Apple into a discussion of how screwed up Microsoft is. When called on it by Vasya Pupkinsan, he tried to escape with:

> I never said that iPad needs to be for enterprise. What I AM saying is that the iPad IS CRAP for the enterprise.

So then Vasya Pupkinsan says:

> Whatever. iPad is also CRAP for flying a Mars mission into space or performing heart surgery.

AHH HAHHAAAHA! Someone buy Vasya Pupkinsan a $50 cee-gar!

-faye,
former IT manager for HQ and 90 field offices
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11/17/2012 | 5:27:38 PM
re: Microsoft Windows 8 Tablet Plans In Disarray
If it is a software issue with the power management, how is it that Samsung has the ATIV 500T in the marketplace?
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11/18/2012 | 11:55:16 PM
re: Microsoft Windows 8 Tablet Plans In Disarray
Seems like the writer is the only one that doesnt know that Surface Pro is really coming out about 3 months after RT. Whoever told him that Pro was suppose to available now? Maybe apple fanboys!

Actually ASUS and Samsung now have some full versions of the windows 8 Tablet (not running RT). weightwise they are heavier than the Microsofts Surface tablet

So NO Windows Pro plans are not in Disarray and being in IT myself. i am waiting for the Pro to come out. My local Microsoft store says around January
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11/19/2012 | 1:51:54 PM
re: Microsoft Windows 8 Tablet Plans In Disarray
Actually Surface Pro was not announce back in February and you can get other hardware (tablets, desktops, laptops, and netbooks) with Windows 9 Pro on it now. You are confusing a tablet model's availability with Windows 8 availablity in general. MS got it completely right. Intel is just not delivering as planned on new chips. Windows 8 is available on other Intel chips.
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11/21/2012 | 9:04:37 PM
re: Microsoft Windows 8 Tablet Plans In Disarray
The Surface Pro is only one of many i3/i5/i7 based tablets that are available post-Win8 launch. If you -specifically- wanted to get the Surface Pro then you are SOL until after the holidays but there are many other options that have been out since before this article was written (Samsung 700T Pro and the Acer Iconia W700 are a couple, not to mention all the convertible touchscreen ultrabooks).

I bought a Samsung Ativ SmartPC 500T on October 28th, two days after the Win8 launch so I have to question where the author is getting his information. While it was a bit hard to find at the time, some buddies of mine just walked into an MS Store in Bellevue Washington and purchased two without any problems. I've been using this Clover Trail based tablet for 3 weeks now and it's awesome.
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12/2/2012 | 7:17:27 PM
re: Microsoft Windows 8 Tablet Plans In Disarray
Buy the Surface RT and forfeit compatibility with legacy Windows applications. Buy the Surface Pro and forfeit battery life (and a sizable chunk your savings), but gain compatibility with legacy applications, while being forced to run those legacy applications in a non-Metro interface that was never designed for the Surface's touch input. (Which problem can be solved by buying a $100+ keyboard, which then begs the question of why you didn't buy an Ultrabook.)


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