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sbacerra456
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1/3/2013 | 7:06:08 PM
re: 5 Ways Microsoft Can Save Windows 8
I just received a Lenovo IdeaPad laptop running Windows 8 as a gift over the holidays. My experience is this: the first day I was frustrated by two things, the inability to change the date and time in Metro and trying to use Metro without a touch screen.

The second day using it, my experience was very different. I actually realized that I enjoyed using the touchpad almost more than a touch screen. It seemed faster, more responsive, and more accurate than a touch screen (comparing it to my iPad II). I also discovered that I really enjoyed Metro once I got the hang of it. I found I could move very quickly and easily between screens, and I found myself enjoying it quite a lot.

There is no doubt that it requires a learning curve, much tougher for some than for others. (As one commenter pointed out, his kids had no problems rapidly figuring it out!) If you stick with it and use the help menus and shortcut keys, you should be fine. If that's too difficult for you, then stay with Windows 7, since there is really no point in using Windows 8 if you're only going to use the desktop.
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12/29/2012 | 4:54:06 PM
re: 5 Ways Microsoft Can Save Windows 8
It is as simple as Apple pie, apple has iOS for touch screen devices and OS x for MACs...It seems to work really well for a company with some marketing saavy.
Steve Naidamast
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12/29/2012 | 4:42:28 PM
re: 5 Ways Microsoft Can Save Windows 8
With the exception of the disparity between working with the Metro interface and the standard desktop, I found the pre-release of Windows 8 to be solid, stable, and rather quick even running
in a VM partition. However, I have to agree with the overall developer community that forcing the Metro interface on every user and hardware type was a very poor decision. As many have noted,
you cannot force people to change when there is no goo reason to do so and Metro on the desktop and laptops simply does not work well. For smart devices and tablets I find it to be superior to that of the Apple and Apple-like interfaces, which now present way too much eye-noise but that is only a personal preference.

No one has to save Windows 8. It just needs a minor tweak to the interface that will allow users to select their own style. And we professional developers practically to a person as well as other very serious users of computers still prefer the standard desktop with its multitasking benefits to that of the Metro single-task style interface. The original interface is simply far more efficient for serious work on machines. Metro may be great for consumers who are seemingly in love with the non-stop fluff that is being promoted as serious computing experiences as well as those where it is actually a superior model to work with such as running the bridge of a star-ship but overall the standard desktop is "Still the one!" and will be for quite a while to come...
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12/29/2012 | 4:20:42 PM
re: 5 Ways Microsoft Can Save Windows 8
"2. Ship Surface Pro, ASAP"
Couldn't agree more. I am starting a new job mid January, and need a tablet, or tablet type device for it. Had the Surface Pro been available now, I would have bought one. I ended up buying a Lenovo Yoga. I would have even waited a week or two if I knew the Surface Pro was going to be out on say, Jan 10.

In the brief time I spent so far playing with the Yoga, a hybrid Ultrabook/tablet, I have to say that Windows 8 is amazing for tablet use, quite good for touch laptop use, and just about the same as Windows 7 for conventional keyboard/mouse/laptop use.

The folks making all the noise about how bad Win8 is with the Metro interface, they do know that there is a traditional interface as well right?
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12/20/2012 | 2:40:22 AM
re: 5 Ways Microsoft Can Save Windows 8
@aprildyer said: To have Microsoft release a new interface because it helps Microsoft's business is literally no concern of ours.

Exactly, the only reason I can think Microsoft did all these changes was to be able to advance their hidden agenda which is to "encourage" all of us to embrace their app store model. That's the reason they eve call the Windows Desktop an "app".

By making Windows 8 an app store based OS is supposed to get developer excited to create app store applications and the more app store applications the better it is for Microsoft.

At the end, this change is purely to benefit Microsoft, not the users.
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12/18/2012 | 6:41:28 AM
re: 5 Ways Microsoft Can Save Windows 8
I've personally spent the past two weeks on this OS and I have to say, I cannot wait to wake-up and just dump the HDD off this two week old laptop and put a combination of Win7 and Linux on this thing. I have wasted more then enough time on this not only horrible looking OS, but also non user friendly OS. I personally am certified in every version of the MS OS's but this is one I am going to skip right over. When someone purchases a new computer, they expect that after a few simple setup requirements that they are able to just go and run with it. However, Win8 simply does not allow that. As an expert in Windows, I am done using it and I certainly am not recommending it to any of my customers. I've already lost enough money over this OS with my customers. I've already ordered the product off my shelves as it has been an extreme embarrassment to my business and my customers. MS should seriously consider recalling all systems with Win8 on it immediately. This is mine and roughly 3100 of my customers opinion. You are free to think what you want.
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12/17/2012 | 9:54:36 PM
re: 5 Ways Microsoft Can Save Windows 8
I have been using PCs since the Apple II. When the Atari ST/TT machines were on the market the big innovation was the standardization of the explorer window menus for all different applications. Then Windows came along and excelled at supporting and tweaking the Explorer window ever so slightly over time.

When the ribbon interface came along, I dropped MS Office for Open Office/LibreOffice and haven't looked back. The Windows desktop, Start Button, and Start Menu have been the comfort zone for decades for Windows users of all skill levels.

Windows 7 is the best OS so far to come from MS. W2k was the second best.
The idea that MS is forcing Windows PC users to jump into a touch screen UI and find their way to the desktop that doesn't have a Start Button or Start Menu is ludicrous. If MS were a business, they would realize that currently 98% of the PCs are non touch screen machines and in order to sell Windows 8 they should give the users the choice of booting to the standard desktop complete with Start Button and Menu, or the Tiled Metro UI if they are curious or the 2% that have touch screens.

I am not an Apple fan, but I appreciate their keeping the desktop OS and the tablet OS separate.

To tell 98% of the PC users that you have to start with Metro and discover the Charms and Hot Corners to get anything done is perhaps related to the departure of Sinofsy from MS.
70% of MS profits come from business clients. That is the group that is most resistant to change because of the high training costs it imposes on IT departments.

I teach my basic PC classes on the promise to take some of the mysteries out of Microsoft some of the time. Now with Windows 8, I am going to change my classes to literature where the first required reading is The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

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12/17/2012 | 8:14:23 PM
re: 5 Ways Microsoft Can Save Windows 8
I sense a disturbance in the internet...
It's as if thousands of Windows 8 users are installing Firefox... And only using IE10 on sites that require it.
Beyond that, the space requirement in Win 8 is ridiculous. I tried the Beta, and my 150 GB hard drive was nearly full within a month. I even keep my media on an external drive, so it's all the OS.
Found the tablet mode totally useless on my laptop, reverted back to Win 7.
Steve Naidamast
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12/17/2012 | 3:15:54 PM
re: 5 Ways Microsoft Can Save Windows 8
The poor sales of Windows 8 is hardly surprising. The development community as a whole has been entirely negative towards the Metro interface on the desktop and laptops. However, as developers were more vocal about their desires to keep the "Start Menu" (I wish people would stop calling good technology "classic".), Microsoft seemed to become even more determine to eliminate it from the OS.

The Metro interface is quite a nice, clean interface for smart devices but for desktops it was destined to become the annoyance and inconvenience it has. Nonetheless, as solid and stable as Windows 8 is (I have tested it with Visual Studio 12), for most it was a completely unnecessary advance to the current Windows 7 OS.

If Microsoft wants to see Windows 8 succeed it will have to do what most serious users of Windows want, which is return the "Start Menu" interface as a default option to the installation process. Barring that, there is absolutely nothing Microsoft can do to salvage the poor but expected sales results...
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12/8/2012 | 2:13:25 PM
re: 5 Ways Microsoft Can Save Windows 8
As a Small business owner I used to love MS products. As our company grew I found out just how buggy many of the MS products can be and also how expensive it can be to maintain a MS network for the local and remotes workers. I resent that the solution to something is usually reboot or better, Buy our New Improved version. Really? In a lot of cases the old version did not work entirely right. GǣMS you are going to the $$$ well too oftenGǥ...

Windows 8 is a nightmare for business owners that were on XP or Win7Pro. This looks like a GUI on top of a GUI. I can share from many years of experience that employees HATE having to learn something that is this big of a change from previous versions and business owners dread the labor Cost associated with lost productivity and IT retraining. We Dread the flurry of what will likely be Buggy new applications until the new developers get ramped up with this new OS, new development tools and dev environment. This headache is beyond your OS... the flurry of buggy new apps is to probably going to follow.....

MS PULL YOUR HEAD OUT!!! Why would businesses want all the clutter, training curve and headache on Win8? Put your ego aside and GǣQuit trying to take a shot at Apple and hurting the small business sector of your businessGǥ for many of the features in Win8, business owners could give a rip less about, why would we want employees having access to some of the Win8 apps and the ridiculous interface that is clearly not for most businesses.

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