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Windows 8 Sales Plagued By Tablet Delays
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toothie007
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12/8/2012 | 2:25:07 PM
re: Windows 8 Sales Plagued By Tablet Delays
What legacy application does the ipad run? None. Have you ever criticized the ipad for not running any legacy applications? If so, give me the link to the article. I do not expect a response, for the mere fact that you are quoting such a limited study (less than three week after the release of windows 8) says it all. You took a position prior to the release of windows 8, and so you will hang on to anything no matter how meaningless to support it. The last time I check, one can use twitter and facebook through the people's hub. However, I suppose the only way that those applications can be done on a tablet is the way Apple does it. Go and enjoy your paycheck.
newyorkcitymale
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12/8/2012 | 3:33:17 PM
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Great points! There's a total double standard when it comes to comparing anything released by Microsoft (or that runs Windows) and anything that comes from Apple.

Here's a few areas where the iPad falls short:
- No USB port
- No expandable storage slot
- Doesn't run MS Office (which is required in the enterprise)
- Can't connect to peripherals

The reality is that the iPad is a flat netbook... but even less powerful. Most people use them to surf the web & play games... so why do they need a millions apps? Answer: They don't.

The reality is that Windows 8 is a HUGE threat to Apple & Android because Windows 8 is the first desktop OS that was designed specifically for mobile. It runs on desktops, laptops, hybrids, tablets & phones. In a year, it will likely be installed on 200-300 million devices--more than the new Android & iOS devices sold in the same time period. Do these analysts really believe that developers will ignore a market that large? Get real. It's just a bunch of wishful thinking by a bunch of Apple-loving hipster wannabes who hate anything the Microsoft does. Pfft!
PMcDougall
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12/8/2012 | 3:47:11 PM
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Toothie, from my column of 10/16/12: "OSX Mountain Lion? Despite some new fit and finish, it remains a traditional PC operating system that is a bridge too far from Apple's iOS-based mobile products."

As requested, here's the link:
http://www.informationweek.com...
PMcDougall
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PMcDougall,
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12/8/2012 | 3:49:34 PM
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Toothie, from column of 10/16/12

"OSX Mountain Lion? Despite some new fit and finish, it remains a traditional PC operating system that is a bridge too far from Apple's iOS-based mobile products."

(I would provide a link but it would be delayed by our spam filter, but it's easily enough Googled)
toothie007
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12/8/2012 | 5:48:32 PM
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In the article you provided you are not criticizing the iPad for not being able to run legacy applications. I never asked if you have ever written an article critical of Apple. I asked if you have ever criticized the iPad for not being able to run legacy applications.
PMcDougall
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12/8/2012 | 6:05:20 PM
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that's exactly what I'm doing. Criticizing the fact that iPad won't run Mac applications and vice versa, while pointing out that Windows 8 PCs and tablets are cross-compatible (except for RT)
toothie007
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12/8/2012 | 2:37:14 PM
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By the way Paul, I am in a position (based on my training and what I do for a living) to say that the NPD study is meaningless. The time frame is definitely not sufficient to indicate any trend that can be attributed to windows 8. Correlation is not causation by the way. Any other numerous factors could be responsible for what NPD is attributing to windows 8, such economic conditions and availability of windows 8 machines. Only in hit journalism can people sell these sort of bogus studies.
bobm44
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12/8/2012 | 6:10:28 PM
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Paul, I don't have much Apple prods experience to compare it to, but tend to agree with your overall position. Microsoft seems to have followed their typical approach to marketing Win 8 and surface - which is to get something out and put people in a wait mode for something better. Problem is, that is not what THIS market expects. I am disappointed in MS for not changing strategies.

On the technical side, Visual Studio 2012 is very nice. But with Win 8 the permutations of APIs, dev environments, and target environments is almost overwhelming. Been trying to learn how to make a Win Store app and it is a journey (even for us experiences Win folks).

One note about your piece ... "no Facebook, no twitter ..." can't you run a browser in Win 8 RT? (I really do not know).
PMcDougall
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12/8/2012 | 6:48:37 PM
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you can run Explorer in RT and get to Facebook, Twitter, etc that way. But not the same as having a tablet-optimized app
toothie007
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12/8/2012 | 7:50:22 PM
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There are optimized facebook and twitter apps in windows 8. They are just not stand-alone apps. They are all integrated in what MS calls peoples hub. Stop telling lies. You are dishonest.
PMcDougall
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12/8/2012 | 8:28:10 PM
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that's just Microsoft hooking its service into Facebook/Twitter APIs so you can see new updates, feeds, etc, but it's of limited functionality. For instance, you can't manage your profiles. There are no official Facebook or Twitter apps for Windows 8.
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12/9/2012 | 2:48:14 AM
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You can read a review of the Samsung ATIV Clover-Trail class Windows 8 tablet by searching for
review-samsung-ativ-smart-pc on winsupersite It is available at Amazon today.

It probably will take a few more months to clear the Windows 7 inventory before the Windows 8 systems get competitive pricing, and Surface Pro (Intel i5 ) is available in volume with the initial problems fixed. Just be a bit patient.
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12/9/2012 | 2:30:13 PM
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Is it also possible that no one wants the upgrade to the existing user base because it offers nothing worth the price?
toothie007
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12/9/2012 | 4:48:04 PM
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Many have upgraded including me, and I know a few others as well. I am loving it. I am so happy I am able to think for myself, and did not listen to others. To each their own. Next!
Andrew Hornback
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12/9/2012 | 9:34:05 PM
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I'm actually somewhat disappointed in not just the unavailability of Windows 8 on tablets, but having gone through and demo'd Windows 8 for a client that was looking to order a new PC - they liked it, so we ordered a new, brand-name system from one of the big 3... and it showed up with Windows 7, even though the order was placed right as Win 8 launched and was a custom order with deliver in mid November. Smaller organizations can't endure upgrades for the sake of upgrades when it results in loss of productivity - moral of the story, this system will be running Windows 7 for the next 5 years. Good thing, bad thing? Who knows at this point...

Andrew Hornback
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toothie007
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12/10/2012 | 12:13:33 AM
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You need to read your own post. Hopefully you will see why. "The client liked windows 8 ...Then can't endure upgrades for the sake of upgrade ... loss of productivity." Make up your mind about your point of attack.
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12/10/2012 | 12:01:19 AM
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Is the shortage causing reduced sales or is reduced sales causing the shortage? It seems strange that Intel might be having trouble producing chips. It is not surprising however that most companies do not want to invest in a mistake.If this article is accurate then the shortage certainly seems to be causing reduced sales but personally I do not trust what this article is saying.
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12/10/2012 | 6:31:27 PM
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It's not inexplicable, when the hardware isn't ready. It's estimated that intel will be ready in early 2013. So it's waiting on them. But more conventional machines are available, and they aren't selling well either. There's that old problem of "gorilla arm". Perhaps people aren't eager to give that a try, and touch equipped machines cost so much more now. The two monitors that have it are both well above $1,000, close to $2,000 in the case of Hp's model. Both are well above what Windows PC buyers will spend.

And perhaps, people just don't want expensive touch, or more likely, stylus equipped Windows computers.
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12/10/2012 | 6:50:31 PM
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Comparing RT tablets to the iPad is useless. The two are very different. Apple doesn't promote the iPad as requiring a keyboard, whereas all we see in Microsoft's Ads for the RT is people dancing while clacking their keyboards on. A big question is whether people want a keyboard for their tablet, or whether that concept turns them off. If they don't get an expensive keyboard cover, do they really want to have to use a stylus for Office?

These things are important questions, but few people are addressing them. As you know Paul, millions of iPads have been bought directly by business and government agencies. Apple says that iPad sales are "being driven by business". An independent estimate from someone who wrote for one of the similar journals to this one, or possibly this one, has stated that about half of all iPad purchases have been made by business and government.

If true, and there is no reason to not believe it when reports from large companies as well as government agencies are reporting massive purchases, then this is telling us something profound. Several government agencies, Halliburton, SAP, and other large organizations have been replacing most of their notebooks with iPads, and have reported that the employees are more efficient, and even happier. It's being said that a properly software equipped iPad can replace 80% of what is done on a notebook. Apparently, for many organizations, that 20% isn't as important as is thought.

In addition, with Office not being directly available, we have to wonder if it's all that important after all. There are some excellent apps available for the iPad that take care of that problem with varying success, but it seems to be enough. If it's more widely understood, this is a major headache for Microsoft.

As for other legacy software, well, no one expects the iPad to run any of that, and it's a reason for its success. But Microsoft has the problem of people expecting to run that legacy software, even if its not a good idea on a tablet. They are stuck between two worlds.

While I think there is a place for RT and the Pro, I just don't see a very large market for either. We know about the problems with RT, but the Pro will have it's own. We're already seeing them with other manufacturer's tablets. People are forgetting the disaster that was the old Microsoft tablet, I.e., the Convertible. The problem there that concerns us is the difficulty of using Windows with a stylus on a small screen. Those old machines had screens between 13-15.4" in size, and if you ever used one, you will remember the frustration over tapping with a stylus on those small selection areas.

Now, with screens that measure between 10.6-11.6" in size, it will be much more difficult to use the classic desktop and its software than ever before.

This will become apparent next year. Good luck to them!


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