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IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
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spintreebob
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3/7/2013 | 8:50:51 PM
re: IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
ageism, sexism, racism all exist. Discrimination against the ugly is bigger than any of them. There is even bigger discrimination based on technology biases. Life is not fair. boo hoo. The goal is to succeed inspite of the many obstacles that one faces as the biggest obstacles are in one's own head.
lgarey@techweb.com
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lgarey@techweb.com,
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3/7/2013 | 7:08:46 PM
re: IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
I think that many companies view younger workers as malleable, able to be trained to work "the Intel way" and lacking loyalty to a previous employer. More senior people may simply be seen as having baggage. Not saying it's fair, but I have a friend who regularly hires engineering technicians and would always rather get someone just out of school and train them on company processes. Not saying it's right or fair, but it's reality.
Melanie Rodier
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3/7/2013 | 7:08:27 PM
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I would have thought it would be age discrimination as long as the 50-year-olds were not treated the same way as 25-year-olds, but I'm not a lawyer. Anyway, the prospects for older employees will probably soon be the same in other industries too, as companies seek more ways to cut costs. Companies need more soldiers than upper management, particularly given tight budgets. If young employees - who are willing to work for much lower pay - have the same skills as older employees who cost a lot more, employers will continue to hire young workers and lay off older ones, however unfair that may be. Older employees need to continue to diversify their skill sets and probably be more open-minded about less conventional career paths, particularly once they hit 50.
awittmann941
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awittmann941,
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3/7/2013 | 5:32:49 PM
re: IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
The article is an oversimplification of a very complex issue. Here's a better simplification: bottom line is that your company probably doesn't care what you did for them five years ago or five minutes ago. Companies today care mostly about meeting the short term objectives laid out by whoever their owners are. The bigger the company, the less they'll care about or will even consider your personal contributions. If you fit the mold of someone who should be cut (we need to save money, we need to do it with the smallest possible loss of headcount, so we'll do it by cutting expensive workers - period), then you'll be cut.

Smart older workers should not count on the loyalty of anyone around them. It doesn't exist. You should have your eye on the next thing you want to do, and be ready to pull the trigger at any time. If your company is hurting - if their business is weak, if their plan for success doesn't make sense to you and isn't likely to hing on you, you should be looking to leave it. Your company is a loser, and you owe it nothing - because when push comes to shove, that's how the company will view you. Everyone is infinitely replaceable.

Always be looking, always have a plan, always think about how you could make your life better or at least as comfortable without your current job. You may never need to pull that trigger, but if you do - you'll be very happy you were ready.

Sure, this is a cynical view, but it's about self preservation. No one, and I mean no one will look out for you but you. Count on it. Take it to heart, and you'll fair much better than those who believe that if they they do well by their company the company will do well by them. That's only true up until the moment it isn't.

If you're skill set won't land you a new job, figure out how to update it while you have a job. If you aren't aware of three or four places where you could go if you had to, figure it out. Think about it, have a plan, be prepared. Someone somewhere will probably view you as this article suggests: "we got rid of expensive circuit-switched phone calling in favor of less expensive IP-based services". Whether it's true or not, if you know yourself to be in a high paid job at a weak company, someone somewhere sometime will think about laying you off, because there is always a lower cost option - no matter how good you think you are. In every layoff good people get cut along with bad people.

It happens all the time. Own it, understand it, plan for it. And if you can find yourself a way into a better company, take it. Loyalty doesn't exist - period.
Tech Guy
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Tech Guy,
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3/7/2013 | 2:25:54 PM
re: IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
Graduated in 2011 with a Bachelor's Degree in Computer Science specializing in Computer Information Systems and am still seeking employment! I have had a couple of part time jobs that closed due to a bad economy and have been working independently on projects in order to make ends meet, but how does someone who just turned 50 with a college degree and a few years of experience break into the Tech Industry?
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3/7/2013 | 2:01:01 PM
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He'll change his tune when it happens to him. And it will. And to those who think current technological competence is a talisman that will prevent human obsolescence are simply wrong. IT is all about youth, both the image and fact. Steady wisdom and thoughtful judgement simply have no place on the playing field. (nor does Gray hair!)

A tech career is like a football career writ in slow motion. The thing is, we are just now starting to realize it in the IT industry. The athlete knows his career is only going to last 5 - 10 years. In IT, you get 20 - 30 years, depending on when you start. The secret is to be ready for it just like the smarter athletes. So while he is playing, the smart athlete knows he needs to divert some of that money for a post retirement life.

Save for retirement like your goal is to retire at 50. That way, when it DOES happen to you at age 55 or 60, you are ready. An IT career pays a bit more than other careers. Spend a little less, and save a little more. I did, and now I'm not suffering after my "incident" like so many others.

To the younger guys, I say, look at the oldest guy in your shop. Keep an eye on his fate. That is your fate, and you simply CAN NOT avoid it.
Stephane Parent
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Stephane Parent,
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3/7/2013 | 12:23:53 PM
re: IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
When I was laid off with almost thirty years of IT experience, it was impossible to find an employer who would hire me at the salary I had left.

As a new empty-nester, with lowered expenses, I did however have the flexibility of reducing my salary expectations. My current employer got an experienced IT worker at a reasonable price.

I suspect younger employees would have a harder time reducing their expectations as their value increase.
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3/7/2013 | 2:48:06 AM
re: IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
What about all these useless old ineffective farts we have running Congress with a 9% approval rating. We're paying these dinosaurs $175K a year to wreck our country. Why aren't we getting rid of them, cutting all their salaries in 1/2 and getting some energetic young blood in there to run the place right.

Dinos like Reid, Pelosi, Feinstein, Schumer, Liberman, and the rest. These old hacks are killing us.

Why is only IT being targeted? Why doesn't this same efficiency apply to pols, lawyers, and all CEOs?

Me thinks the dinos are jealous of the hip IT people who out produce, out earn, and out-prestige them.

Their solution? Flood the industry with cheap crappy labor from India in order to destroy the whole industry.

Then the dino-elites can get their prestige back.
Wakjob2
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3/7/2013 | 2:43:26 AM
re: IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
I have 11 years of Objective-C (hottest language right now), 13 apps in the App Store, iOS, Xcode, 20 years' Mac programming experience, former Apple, Sony, and Hitachi employee. Oh and I worked on PlayStation at Sony.

If that isn't relevant, then I don't know what is.

Where is my job Mr. Feldman?

Out of date skills or jealous foreign parasite races who want to take over things Americans created?
markdavidgraybill
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markdavidgraybill,
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3/7/2013 | 12:30:44 AM
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Your comment "Can you spend less and get the same quality of service? If you can, you have no choice but to make changes" is a bit naive.

After more than 30 years and consulting at over 36 organizations, I have seen a fair share of what goes on in the trenches. When bottom line is salient to leaders, such a focus can skew perceptions and can infuse justifications that donG«÷t exist. It is in our nature to do so and once in power, stereotyping tendencies tend to increase. This is an issue for several reasons.

Junior technical types are far more likely to make rash technical decisions because they lack the experience seniors have that warrants caution, and besides, the fun is in the execution not decision process. Management types like execution and can see seniors as moving slow. IG«÷ve witnessed confident juniors spewing remarkably logically-sounding justification for technical decisions resisted by seniors that was all bull. They find out in the end but since few companies have sufficient individual and project performance metrics that would reveal this disparity, they have no way of knowing what is really going on.

Getting back to the bottom line salience, IG«÷ll share one of my experiences that is an example of the kind of stupidity that can occur in leadership. It was a company that sold silicon-wafer inspection equipment and services to customize the software. Since I was looking to get out of consulting I was interested in this gig because it was a contract-to-hire offer. I stepped up everything - including refining a mathematical formula I used for forecasting tasks.

Two projects I revealed my technical and project management acumen that resulted in saving $1.2M they were going to lose for that quarter - $500K would never have been signed. So they made their quarterly projection and the execs were happy.

The difference in senior salaries and new hires was about $50K per year. That was enough where the VP of engineering, wanting to cut costs, decided to lay off their most senior engineers - and renege the offer to hire me. He admitted to me that I did very well, but he was looking for G«£more bang for the buckG«•. Before I left he had hired H-1B visa engineers to replace those who were laid off.

It wasnG«÷t long before missing enough quarterly projections dropped their stock below the radar and they had to sell. That VP was fired but it was a small company and was too late.
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