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IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
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markdavidgraybill
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3/12/2013 | 5:49:00 PM
re: IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
Years ago I had the opportunity to experience Corporate Japan first hand. I greatly appreciated their cultural management and above all, the respect for elders.

That's not the case here, and IT techs aren't the only ones suffering age discrimination. It is across the board.

Also, Medicare has already been cut and larger cuts and lower age cutoffs for procedures are coming. Moreover, retirement age is rising.

All this adds up to is: "Baby boomers, please just die!"

Some companies even sneak in age discrimination into management training under the guise of generational education, only visible by statements such as "baby boomers can't do this."

Well I can do anything the youth can - I even hit the gym and run 5K every daily. My energy and enthusiasm is matched only by my confidence and leadership abilities. But, I still hear such tings as, "More bang for the buck", or, "We felt the other candidate's personality was a better fit" (no personality requirements in the job description.)

When you are passed over by someone with 1/3 of your experience, it speaks volumes to what is really going on.

So I'm working on additional streams income. Have to.
mattmc
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mattmc,
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3/12/2013 | 5:14:59 PM
re: IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
You are right on pduffy.
TSRL
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3/11/2013 | 11:04:08 PM
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The bottom line is just that. Many, if not most, companies today are only interested in short term goals "for the shareholders". Senior employees are usually paid more so they are the first ones to go if someone in upper management wants to reduce costs. The fallacy in the argument is that you can get the same skill set cheaper in a new graduate.

Try applying that to the medical field. Who would you rather have for your heart surgeon - a freshly minted new college grad or an experienced surgeon with a couple of hundred successful surgeries to his credit?

I and my team were recently "retired" from a marketing/sales/engineering post at a large computer company. We had been successfully selling large high performance computer clusters (10,000 machines and above) to a wide variety of customers world-wide. We were replaced within two weeks with a new team with no experience but much lower salaries. It has been almost 3 years now and the new team has yet to make a single sale of any size. Did the share holders win that one?
bkohlhepp287
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3/11/2013 | 3:24:08 PM
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Apparently you've never had to search for a job when you're over 50. "Just go somewhere else" doesn't work. Check the job postings - "degree with 5 years experience" is the standard profile (and these days employers hyper-specify experience down to package versions). It doesn't matter what certifications you have, what you've accomplished, or what you know. Every employer is looking for that young guy who will work his ass off to prove himself, trying to find the lowest price per pound, and avoiding "insurance risk" professionals over 50, even over 40. The older computing professionals I know love the field and their specialties as much as they ever did, are computer nerds still tinkering in their bedrooms on personal time, and can contribute accumulated wisdom along with specific tech skills. Yet it takes years for us to find a new position, frequently at a lower salary. I know some who have not been able to get a new position at all and are now bank tellers and retail clerks. Instances of age discrimination far exceed the few cases of technical dissonance or "inertia".
MikeMorales
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3/10/2013 | 1:58:04 PM
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It seems that older workers, IT or otherwise, have become the victims of their own success. If they have done well over the years, and gotten raises and promotions they inevitably become "expensive" and as replaceable as "old circuits". Those younger workers that are commenting here should consider the fact that they too (if they are lucky) will become an older worker and have this to look forward to.
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3/10/2013 | 1:02:43 AM
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Many of my peers, as well as myself, have spent the majority of our careers at Boeing in IT and then ALONG CAME A SPIDER. We negotiated with India to buy our planes and the offset for that deal cost Boeing EO&T employees their jobs. We had to cut costs in order for our share holders to increase their profits - More senior EO&T employees are let go. Remarkably, the SPIDER found enough money to hire younger, less expensive employees, not batting her deceiving blue eyes as she destroyed lives. It's bad enough we've been fed a crock of B.S., so that SHE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED can create her legacy, calling herself a transformational leader all the while raking in the big bucks while telling us we're overpaid. EXCUSE ME???? She brings all her Yes men with her under the guise of infusing new blood into our ranks. The latest visionary change the SPIDER unleashes is that in order to gain efficiencies and to save money she is creating centers of excellence. We're a global company and have managed to meld the best IT members from all our mergers and acquisitions, regardless of their work location. Ms. SPIDER has the notion that everyone has to sit together, come from the same geographical region, never question the status quo, follow the leader or be banished for life. What's ironic, it's not because we're old and not keeping up with advances in technology or our output has diminished. It's all about the mighty dollar. Now, one of Spider's yes men just told us that St. Louis is a low cost center, so that's the direction we'll most likely be headed. Can you believe it? Oh and those of us who are vested and working until we retire are just draining the profits. I quote, "We're a company that builds planes, not a retirement company." Up until two years ago the St. Louis salaried pay scale was identical to Puget Sound and now that sequestration threatens the military side of our business they're low cost. Someone needs to tell Ms. Spider that the legacy she strives to achieve is only in her head and that the Boeing EO&T employees across the company don't consider her transformational, visionary or even a leader. If SHE continues to get raises, bonuses and retirement, will she want to leave? What if someone told her she was too expensive to keep? The canyon between the upper crust and the middle class continues to widen, but it's now so deep there's no crossing the great divide.

Yes, I ranted and raved. When are the big shots running these large companies going to get it? If they keep letting American workers go so they can increase their bottom line there's not going to be consumers with enough discretionary funds to purchase and/or use their products.

Note to Ms. Spider you are making a big big mistake. All the young IT talent doesn't live in St. Louis and they all don't want to move there either. Keep an open mind, keep your resources eclectic and you may just earn that legacy instead of creating a false one only recognized by your country club friends.
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3/8/2013 | 11:05:02 PM
re: IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
Older employees may get retired early to reduce medical insurance costs.

There is an effort to deskill the workplace with IBM, SAP, and Oracle leading the charge.

Mid-level managers want to protect their jobs by not having any potential replacements around.

Age should be an affirmative action category.
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3/8/2013 | 7:05:42 PM
re: IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
MyW0r1d, of course. You are on the money on that one. I have been very fortunate in that I have mostly worked for good organizations that invest in employees and understand the long-term value of experience and seasoning.
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3/8/2013 | 5:58:40 PM
re: IT Age Discrimination Or Employee Inertia?
We live in a superficial, shallow society.
Wakjob2
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3/8/2013 | 5:57:52 PM
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We live in a childish society.
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