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PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
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remmeler
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remmeler,
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4/11/2013 | 7:42:12 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
I agree most people don't use any of the capabilities of a computer and are in fact confused with anything beyond the one or two things that they do that can now be done on any device.

I get calls from people who have used a computer for years on how to open an attachment in an email or some other simple thing.
remmeler
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remmeler,
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4/11/2013 | 7:40:07 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
I kind of look at it differently. I think they bolted on the Modern/Metro interface on an improved Windows 7 and wanted people to see it first because they wanted people that were not Windows savvy and just wanted to run apps.

Windows savvy people should have been able to figure it out, see my comment above or any of my comments throughout for simple ways to not see the front end.
remmeler
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remmeler,
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4/11/2013 | 7:37:01 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
You will completely bypass the front end if you:
1. create a task using task scheduler. Step by step directions here:
http://www.techrepublic.com/bl...
or
Load a Desktop program automatically at start up, I happen to use StickyNotes.

2. Open Control panel and make Microsoft Windows Picture Viewer the default picture viewer or use any other one you like.

I run a Windows 7 and 8 system side by side with the same programs and I never see the Modern/metro front end unless I want to by pressing the M/S key.
remmeler
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remmeler,
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4/11/2013 | 7:29:32 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
Sorry the third thing was listed on the next line. It was choosing one of three ways to shut down your system
Ctl, Alt, Del,
Press the off button
mouse over to the right bottom corner and click on settings
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bwdolphan,
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4/11/2013 | 7:11:46 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
The problem lies 100% at Microsoft's feet. I bought my wife a new laptop with 8 on it. Massive mistake - I should have looked for a used one with 7 on it. Even after adding classic shell, it remains a pain in the keyster.

I have to buy several for the office and will not touch a PC with 8 on it until they realize that it needs to have a 7-like option.

Time to admit the mistake, ditch the new Coke, and bring back the Classic Coke.

As Bob O'Donnell says: "At this point, unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only failed to provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the market,"
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4/11/2013 | 6:34:04 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
I'm not a Microsoft "hater". In fact, I've been using PCs since the DOS days and have watched Windows mature. The problem is that from a desktop standpoint it matured just fine in XP and especially in Windows 7. Shoehorning a UI that is designed for tablets and phones into a desktop OS and then forcing it down people's throats is not a way to endear yourself or your product to people's hearts.

If they had given options for simply booting to a Windows 7 desktop but having the Modern UI available then maybe people would have "discovered" it by word of mouth or been intrigued by it and felt "cool" for experimenting with it - and perhaps created a buzz in the marketplace. But the way MS rolled out Windows 8 made it needlessly hard for the average consumer to deal with. I had numerous relatives and friends who were got new lap tops and PCs for Christmas and were very frustrated. They merely wanted to set them up and use them, not have to spend hours learning a new UI that proved useless to them. It's like getting a shiny new car, but then none of the controls work the same as you've been used to for many years...frustration city. If you have a full blown PC or lap top at your disposal, why pray tell would you want to use some lame app when you could easily go to the web and use the full blown site? (Like Facebook for instance).

I'm afraid playing catch up in smartphone and tablet devices is simply too little too late for Microsoft. Consumers seem pretty happy with two choices...Apple or Android. Having too many choices just confuses people (and the fact that most people aren't going to spend hours researching and comparing them.)
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4/11/2013 | 6:26:51 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
Good points. The availability of apps always drives the need for the platform/os. The os/platform is part of a tool. I believe that the cost of apps is fueling the explosion of smartphones / tablets. Anyone ever try to buy a Windows app for $2. They are either free or $35 and up.
Regarding your instructions on navigating the W8 UI, #3, you say " remember three simple things" . I only saw two listed before point #4? Its meaningful to me as I have struggled with the W8 UI and am more frustrated than enthusiastic. Thanks
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4/11/2013 | 6:09:34 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
The PC consumer market is dead. Consumers are not loading up their homes with PCs, they're shedding them. Microsoft's opportunity here is to split between consumers and businesses with separate but equal/similar product lines. If they don't recognize that they and PC manufacturers are doomed.
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remmeler,
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4/11/2013 | 4:49:33 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
From my standpoint as a longtime Windows user that uses traditional Windows programs and does not have a smartphone or tablet or use Social Networking, the apps in the Microsoft Store are the problem.

I think from a notebook standpoint the Surface is a good looking system but, the RT won't run traditional programs and the Pro is much too expensive.

Maybe if there were some killer RT apps, that could be a separate path, but I don't think there is a killer app. Also, I have heard that when used in portrait mode as a tablet, using applications become awkward. So it is not great as a tablet.

I have played with many of the apps in the app store without thinking whether I needed touch or not, it just didn't cross my mind. As it turned out, the reason it didn't cross my mind is because my trackball seemed to work just fine and I just didn't think about it.

Windows 8 itself is fine. I have been using it side by side with a Windows 7 system for about 6 months. It actually brought an old XP system of mine back from the Dead. Contrary to the belief of some haters, you can easily bypass all the things they hate about the Modern/Metro front end.

1. You can easily bypass the front end on start up by loading a Desktop program automatically, I use StickyNotes or you could also create a task using task scheduler (google it for step by step instructions.

2. You can solve the problem of clicking on a picture and being yanked out of Desktop and sent to the Modern screen to view it by just opening Control Panel and making the included Windows picture Viewer the default program or downloading your own old favorite.

3. You can easily live without a start button by just remembering how to do three simple things.
Mouse to the Left bottom Corner for the Start Icon with most of your start button items. Click on the Folder on the quick program part of the task bar and bring up File Explorer for the other items like documents, Music, Pictures, Videos, Computer, Disks, Network, etc.

4. Ctl, Alt, Del to get the power icon to turn off or press the off switch (yes, it is now ok) or mouse to the right lower corner and click on settings and then the power Icon.

Did it ever make sense to press Start to Shut Down?

So far nothing has required downloading any third party program or if you want you could download Classic Shell and get your start button back.
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dfoulger,
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4/11/2013 | 4:01:49 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
If Microsoft really wants to fix the problem, they might start by creating a sane user interface for Windows 8 The current interface is a good reason to buy a different machine (tablet, desktop, or phone.
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