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PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
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remmeler
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remmeler,
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4/11/2013 | 7:42:12 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
I agree most people don't use any of the capabilities of a computer and are in fact confused with anything beyond the one or two things that they do that can now be done on any device.

I get calls from people who have used a computer for years on how to open an attachment in an email or some other simple thing.
Majo
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Majo,
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4/11/2013 | 7:57:19 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
I can't justify $1,200 on Surface Pro when I can pick up a good laptop for $4-500 with a lot more memory and storage space, and more speed. Touch is not very practical on a desktop or laptop, or has minimalistic use. On the other hand, a tablet is not a good productivity tool or gaming machine - I rather use a laptop for that. My alternative - pick up a laptop and a tablet for $7-800. The RT is too expensive for a tablet, and lacks support for Microsoft applications - so it's really a useless peace of technology.
Leo Regulus
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Leo Regulus,
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4/11/2013 | 8:11:41 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
One could consider the PC a 'sledge-hammer', one size fits all approach. (IMHO) Probably less than 20 % of PC users ever used even 80% of its resources. Maybe we only need 1 PC to 12 users in an office - the remaining using specialized tablet / BYOB devices.
deanmike
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4/11/2013 | 8:15:59 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
I looked at that Classic menu thing and I am impressed although skeptical that it will be a good long term solution. I hate pinning my hopes on a third party utility that is not guaranteed to ever cause a compatibility problem or just cease to exist.

Two things would improve the Win8 situation-

1. Leave the legacy manu as an option for people who want it instead of forcing a new UI on everyone, especially a UI which benefits from a touch screen in a world where touch screens are not quite an option yet due to cost, availability or the "leap of faith" you have to make with such an investment of new technology. A plain old touch screen will not work with Win8-you need a very expensive touch screen

2. Let us go back to command line usage. I think they are actually somewhat embracing this with Powershell.

What many businesses realize is that there is quite a learning curve for users to go "all in" with windows 8, even assuming that all of your apps will run in the new OS. However, you will need more helpdesk staff as most people today are used to the legacy XP style start menu. From what I am hearing, they are going further down the wrong road with the Windows 8 successor, too. Bad news if true.....

Maybe Start-->shutdown doesn't make sense logically but who isn't used to that today? Besides, that went away in Windows 7 (or maybe Vista) when it was replaced with an icon instead of a button with the word "start"

I never thought I would be doing it but I am typing from a mac right now. Never dreamed I would be in the OSX camp but I am. I use linux too but am still a newb there. I still need windows to manage VMWare and a few other things but OSX is much better than Win8 and it is worth the headache of a transition
deanmike
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deanmike,
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4/11/2013 | 8:18:03 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
It is not possible to get rid of Metro completely or full time. It keeps coming back, and it is annoying to keep having to beat it back down
Majo
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Majo,
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4/11/2013 | 8:25:01 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
The 'ribbon' in MS Office products is also a big mistake. With Office 2003 I want to see more of the workspace. The 'ribbon' reduces that space even more, and is not as intuitive as the 'old' menu system was. MS Access is also going to the dogs; Microsoft keeps chipping away functionality in the name of progress.
mmuldoon52501
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mmuldoon52501,
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4/11/2013 | 8:26:20 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
Microsoft is trying to be too many things at once. Windows 8 is a mess on the desktop. (Yes I know you can do Classic Shell etc and that works great. But the "out of box" experience sucks.) Surface Pro is something I wouldn't mind trying out but sorry, not at THAT price!! I think Windows 8 probably would work well there. And RT is just plain crippled. So instead at least 2 MS running machines in my house have been replaced by Nexus 7 tablets for internet, social networking, indeed anything that does not require a lot of keyboard work. Also, since the "ribbon" made it impossible for me to get anything productive done in documents, I've gone to LibreOffice and am much happier.

Just keep it up Microsoft and soon I won't be using any of your products.

MS did become mature with Windows 7. But you know what follows maturity: you become senile just before Alzheimer's kicks in. Clean the dribble off your chin MS.
proberts551
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4/11/2013 | 8:36:06 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
OK, I got my first look at the Windows Tablet today, because my Supervisor just got one. My first impression was...Pretty Cool! My second impression....it needs work!

The basic utilities for setting up printers is buried undernieth about 4 levels and we did not have a clue how to get to a simple "Add a printer" There may be other ways, but we could not find them?? Shezzzzz! Come on!

The interface can be cusomized with your own ICONS as shortcuts which is nice, but that is another learning curve. For the Price, this Windows 8 Tablet should be easy to use.

Simple problem. Make the touch interface simple. The help was not helpful, or at least not what I would have expected. We eventually got to what we needed , but not with out hunting around for it. It took 10 times as long to get to the place to install TCPIP Printers than it did to set it up! Not good.

Right out of the box, this tablet should have all the basic things needed to get on your LAN, set up printers, set up email, and so on. This thing needs to be friendly, not just Cool!

The Windows Tablet has potiential, and I do like it. If I get one, I will customize the heck out of the desktop...if you can call it that, to make my life easy. The average Joe....is going to say Huh? What do I do now?
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4/11/2013 | 8:36:26 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
And you don't see this as stupidly hard?

At this point, Micro$oft is not even a little interested in making users happy; if they were, 'don't call it Metro' would have been optional and the Start button would still be happily ensconced in the lower left corner if you wanted it. They want to force you to buy the new version by making sufficiently different from the previous versions that you'll give up on the old one sooner rather than later.

They know that the consumer market is a huge part of computing, and if they can't horn in on the iPhone and iPad and Android, they'll get left behind. And of course they want to get in on the app business model that Apple and Google have with their stores. They've made a decision that user dissatisfaction is worth it if they can force their way into a market they are currently failing at.

Resistance, in this case, is NOT futile. Don't submit to Win8!
deanmike
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deanmike,
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4/11/2013 | 9:01:00 PM
re: PC Market Bleeds: Windows 8 Tablet Fix Needed
Wrong. Windows 8 stifled the market
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