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Terabyte Net
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7/1/2013 | 1:43:38 PM
re: Windows 8.1 Timing All Wrong
Then you'll just complain when products don't work. Win8 is rock sold, stable. I've yet to have a a customer complain that a Win8 box crashed or BSOD'd. Why would you want to rush release schedules?

Customers want one thing above all else. Reliability. They will not tolerate anything less. What you're advocating will lead to instability and that's bad for everyone.
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7/1/2013 | 1:41:48 PM
re: Windows 8.1 Timing All Wrong
Oh, BTW, October just happens to be just in time for every vendor to prepare for the BIGGEST sales period of every year, when most resellers in every category from computers to clothing make 30-50% of their yearly profit, Christmas. Why would any vendor release a product at any other time of the year? Consumers spend BILLIONS of $ every year from November 15 through the end of December. 50% of profit in <2 months. Hmmmm... The only ones making $ on in July are grill makers and beer companies (and some back to school sales, but it's not like students can wait for computers if they're going to school so they're buying anyway).
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7/1/2013 | 1:36:18 PM
re: Windows 8.1 Timing All Wrong
Wait just a second. The OEMs and component manufacturers either are living in a cave or they know that MS releases products in October too. Make NO mistake, Intel, AMD, ARM, Dell, HP, etc... ALL are here today because of Microsoft. How is it all of the sudden Microsoft's fault that the OEMs decided to jump the gun? Microsoft has RTM'd products on a predictable schedule for over a decade. Why are you slamming them for sticking to their schedule? If they rushed 8.1 to keep up with new hardware you'd just as quickly slam them if something didn't work wright.

Let's see. Do vendors who make fuel pumps, air bag control systems, traction control systems, etc... release their wares to the public before Ford, GM, Toyota, BMW, etc... all come out with their latest models? While I get that this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, my point is the hardware folks understand, or should understand, when MS is going to release the products that actually justify new hardware, so why are they releasing things months early?

Now, for all the Linux fans out there, and there seem to be many here despite the dismal % of actually installs in the real world, NO, Linux does not, has never, and will not in the foreseeable future drive hardware sales and no Linux is not an alternative for 99.999% of desktop users. No, Linux doesn't make Intel, AMD, ARM, HP, Dell, etc... any $. In fact, I would venture to say that every hardware vendor would just as soon see Linux go away so they didn't have to support the bazillion different flavors out there. Go ahead and flame away, but the truth hurts. Linux is not an alternative so don't push it as one.

In the end, Microsoft is doing what they've done for over a decade. Hardware vendors are biting the hand that feeds them and writers like Mr. Feibus don't seem to get it. They've blasted Windows 8 and yet I doubt many have actually used it for long enough to justify the lambasting they've done. I've championed it many times in these forums, but if you don't like Metro, I don't on desktops (it's acceptable on my 8 Pro tablet), just install Classic Shell (there are others but none like CS) and stop whining. 8.1 doesn't give you the Start button you're looking for and very few other 8.1 changes are actually make-or-break updates. 8.0 is just fine if you take 5 minutes to learn your way around. Is it perfect? Absolutely not, but then again someone has found a reason to complain about every product that every vendor has ever produced.

As they say, you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time. The problem is it doesn't seem possible to please any of the reporters/writers just about any time and when the deride a product the brainwashed public just follow along. They killed Vista and yet with the right hardware Vista works just fine. Maybe they bit the hand that feeds them for too long because they didn't slam Win7 too much and yet there are plenty that I heard customers didn't like. Then comes 8 with a GUI that works if you spend 5 minutes to learn and tweak and it was just too much for the old writers used to Windows 95's GUI.

In the end, again, is Windows 8.0 perfect, no, does it work well, absolutely, IF, and that's a BIG IF, you have an open mind and spend the 5 minutes it takes to learn and configure it for daily use.

Let the flames begin...
Terabyte Net
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7/1/2013 | 1:17:09 PM
re: Windows 8.1 Timing All Wrong
Install Classic Shell, open source & free, and you get to skip the Metro start screen.
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6/26/2013 | 9:59:34 PM
re: Windows 8.1 Timing All Wrong
Others have commented on your ignorance. I won't.

I'll simply point out the REAL IRONY is that you are commenting on W8 without having used it.

Pretty embarrassing for you.
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5/28/2013 | 3:38:38 PM
re: Windows 8.1 Timing All Wrong
Actually, for someone that has been a Unix/Linux fan most of his life I find that I really like my new desktop system with Windows 8. The system is up and running within 10 seconds of being powered on and I need only one click to get to the desktop. The OS is obviously designed for touch screen use which is the up and coming technology so no real complaint there. I have associates that have trouble transitioning from their tablet to their desktop and fingertip to mouse which can be kind of amusing to watch. The only real option that was needed was to skip the tile screen (for desktop users) and go straight to the desktop screen. However, with the time I save on booting the system the one click that is needed is still a substantial advantage over previous versions of Windows and actually beats Linux hands down. I'm curious to see what Win8.1 has to offer.
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5/27/2013 | 6:17:35 AM
re: Windows 8.1 Timing All Wrong
Wow, I've rarely read a similar bunch of nonsense and propaganda. You miss the whole point of W8 and its related MS business strategy, but don't worry, they will not last long.

BTW, I'm not exactly a toddler, at least if you not consider S/38 and S/36 youngling toys, it buys nothing trumpeting you are in the business by a couple of century, I'll gladly trade my (and your) experience for half the tech and business talent of Mr Gates, Jobs, Brin, Page, or Zuckerberg.
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5/25/2013 | 5:58:34 PM
re: Windows 8.1 Timing All Wrong
What is remarkable is that, in trying to change the public's mind about Windows 8, people who attempt to excuse Microsoft and blame the media actually make things worse.

If an OEM attempts to sell a vehicle that has an interior that smells like horse manure, and instead of replacing the leather, they say that there is something wrong with our collective noses, or that we don't know how to buy air freshener, or that we will "get used to it", or that it is the media's fault for brain-washing us, after a while we start to become personally offended. Not smart. There is such a thing as customer good-will.

I wonder if Microsoft realizes that they are making matters worse by trying to convince us that we are the ignorant and stupid ones.
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5/25/2013 | 5:45:38 PM
re: Windows 8.1 Timing All Wrong
What you said is irrelevant, and shows the hypocrisy of Microsoft. Since you are an industry veteran who knows how a computer works, we know how easy it is to allow the user the choice to boot to desktop or Metro, ~done by Microsoft~.

Furthermore, we also know that, when hackers discovered in mid-2012 a way to boot to desktop via a registry hack, Microsoft deliberately went in and killed the hack.

Let's think about that. A registry hack. Microsoft actually deliberately went in and killed a registry hack, to herd everyone to Metro.

If that stunt is not an indication of Microsoft's motive to take away choice, I don't know what is.
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5/25/2013 | 5:41:43 PM
re: Windows 8.1 Timing All Wrong
@Palpatine, I appreciate your comments. However, I have been working in the computer industry since Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were young lads. I can assure you that I completely understand how the various Windows OSs work. If you are really honest about it, you would then agree that the Windows OS is an open platform that is "purpose built" for running third party apps. So, adding a free or very low cost app from a third party in order to bring back the Start button/menu is not straying too far off the path now is it? Just because MS has one implementation of the UI does not mean you are completely stuck with it forever. Certainly not worth foaming at the mouth over now is it?
In the Modern UI, you can always change the file association to the equivalent desktop app (if it exists) rather than using the Modern app. I'll give you an example. Take the Adobe PDF reader app. If you don't like the Modern version, simply set the .pdf file association to use the desktop version. The same is true for many apps. The modern UI is best used for touch, tablets, phones, and small form factors. The desktop for all other cases. Having a single OS that can do all of the above is imho a better solution than say Android that cannot do desktop and iOS vs. OS/X where the two are completely different from each other in code base and in UI.
At least with Windows, you have a tremendous amount of native and third party customization via software that you can do to "build" your own working environment. Like I said previously... you have choices. Many more choices than you have on other platforms.
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