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5 Windows 8 Gripes Microsoft Must Address
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CLAFOUNTAIN100
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5/31/2013 | 6:18:23 AM
re: 5 Windows 8 Gripes Microsoft Must Address
There seems to be a concept here that Microsoft forgot. It is that companies plan strategic investment into their business around platforms and systems that will be around, and maintained for years.

If a company has to consider re-training on a 2 or 3 year trend, to meet Microsoft desires to develop new sources of income; based on platform updates, it's likely going to cannibalize it's user-base. It's interesting however, because OSX, KDE, and other windowing software products (even free versions on Linux) haven't changed so drastically as Microsoft has over the past decade or so.

This adds to Total Cost of Ownership, if you have to re-train employees to use the newest software. It's a pain. It also seems like those companies that invested in IBM platforms, even greenscreens, are still doing OK, and don't have to worry as much about Microsoft's product obsolescence, which seems planned, whenever certain fortune-500 companies upgrade their platforms and systems...
Palpatine
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5/30/2013 | 8:03:16 AM
re: 5 Windows 8 Gripes Microsoft Must Address
The problem is: it is ad-interim release toward what?
With Ballmerboys yelling "legacy desktop", "legacy Win32" all the way, the idea that this fuss seems suggesting is that Metro, actually the flawed pos which provides sub par Win1.0 UI features, is the way MS chose.
A new way that mandate you to distribute only software approved by MS, so don't dare to compete with their services - and oh, btw, if you are successful now they can snuff your business banning your app.
This is not the future that enterprises, developers, and OEM are eager to wait for, so there is no tendency toward "wait for the next release", but rather to "run for your life, we need a way to do business without MS involved".
Palpatine
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Palpatine,
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5/30/2013 | 6:21:05 AM
re: 5 Windows 8 Gripes Microsoft Must Address
1 and 2) it is not about learning: W8 is schizophrenic, it is badly thought, it is a pity of a UI.

3) would you invest in developing an RT app? really? an app that have a small users target compared to Android and iOS apps, and needs to compete with Win32 apps that owns a 30 times larger user target INCLUDING your potential users? Really?! And, are you sure you are not doing market research for MS and they will release their version of your app/service and bash or cast you away from the store, the sole way you have to sell your good?

4) it really is. If you go from nothing to something, creating from scratch a market for devices like iOS and Android with a launcher providing near the capabilities of Windows 1.0, you may have success. But if you go the same Windows 1.0 way from Windows 7... you are going to have a bad time. Especially if you have just managed to alienate CE developers, then broke compatibility with Phone 7, 7.5 and 8...

5) this is the main point. They are insulting their current consumers, and each time calls desktop legacy they strongly hint them to actively seek for a different provider of a desktop computing experience.
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5/30/2013 | 5:33:09 AM
re: 5 Windows 8 Gripes Microsoft Must Address
We love to bash windows 8, but there are lots of ways to tame it, including many third party start button addons. Old apps from Windows 7 still work there too.
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5/29/2013 | 5:56:34 PM
re: 5 Windows 8 Gripes Microsoft Must Address
Actually, the comments here seem more cogent than the article, but anyway...

Mostly what they said, but with this addendum:

The whole "PC is dead" thing is blown WAY out of proportion, and unfortunately MSFT seems to have taken the same bait many of the media folks have.

As a somewhat-reluctant yet must-do IT admin for my company, I am intrigued by the foray into tablet form-factors. As yet there are a few things stopping me:

1) as said below, Win8 seems very much like a "kitchen-sink" approach, without any real solutions to the problem. Tablets are very good for some things - for viewing content, for apps with very limited typing, for stylus- and/or finger-oriented drawing. But just try sitting down and writing a complex JavaScript or PHP or Powershell program with one, and it all falls down. Seems like a great solution for quickly performing canned IT management tasks, and thus great for operators - but not so great for IT coding staff (if you even have any anymore - don't get me started on the whole "Cloud-based IT" thing, that's a topic for a different time).

2) Android. Meh. Security is ill, ability to manage is nil, and of Java--, I've had my fill. Nuff said.

3) Apple. Nice UI. Security, so-so. True support for IT - hmm, OK, not great though. But evolving. Final take - too expensive overall.

It seems that the tablet adoption-rates march ever-higher, and I expect that will continue for some time to come (and not just because of the "coolness-factor"). Tablets are very useful for some things, just not all things.

But I agree that Win8 is just not a very good answer, yet. If it were not for the fact that it has built-in Hyper-V capability, I wouldn't have it in my shop at all.
NJ Mike
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5/29/2013 | 5:42:37 PM
re: 5 Windows 8 Gripes Microsoft Must Address
One idea I haven't heard is cutting the price of it (Windows 8). Unlike most products, most of the expense is in the creation/design of the product, and each individual copy is produced at very little cost. As the law of supply and demand illustrates, the less an item costs, the higher the demand. If, for instance, Microsoft cuts the price 25% and sales increase 30%, they will make more money. If the cost of desktops, laptops, tablets, etc with Windows 8 goes down, people will be more tolerant of things such as the learning curve, and more likely to wait for more apps, which will be developed when more people have Windows 8 products. And if Windows 8 is really a good OS (I have no opinion on it, as I have not used it), it will catch on, but the key for Microsoft is to get it into the hands of users.
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5/29/2013 | 5:19:03 PM
re: 5 Windows 8 Gripes Microsoft Must Address
I know its popular to bash W8. Lots of good reasons for it. But in the end, it will definitely come around in both hardware and software. The real failure is that its taking way too long for Intel and MS to get their act together. 8.1 RC won't be released for another month and Intel just about to send new Haswell chipsets. The other real issue is that component costs are still too high for touch as well as wa com digitizers. The other really big gripe and showstopper issue for me is that OEMS are charging way to much for SSD options. And in many cases, some of the only decent W8 ultraportables available like the Asus Zen Prime and Samsung series 7 ultra only offer 128 SSD. After the the hidden partition for W8 backup and other crap most these 128 SSD's have maybe 60 GB left.. Totally unacceptable. Then when you do see 256 SSD options they charge 400 dollars for it which is insane being one can buy that for less then half of that on Amazon. I know they need to make profit but SSD margins are well over 100 percent and they price them to the point where people just don't buy.
In fact, there is not even one ultraportable that has the whole package with IPS, touch, battery life, good KB and Touchpad and decent port selection and offer at least 256 SSD. In fact only one system comes close which is the Samsung series 7 ultra. It has all this except they refuse to offer any 256 SSD at all. Others that offer 256 fail in battery life or have something wrong with trackpad, KB or lack decent port selection. Its so freaking frustrating that I am a willing buyer and have been searching for months now and can't find as much as one W8 ultraportable that offers the whole package. The only way is to go ahead and buy the Samsung, take off the bottom and install your own 256 SSD drive.. pathetic.
So now we all have to wait months for 8.1 And if we are lucky, the oems might release a decent haswell that hits a home run with battery life, ports, IPS, touch, KB, and good trackpad and not charge 400 for a 256 SSD. But as of now, not even one model from any OEM can offer the entire package without at least one major compromise. Not one and that is absolutely pathetic. No wonder people are not buying. I'd be surprised if anyone gets it right before the holidays. If they don't, its going to be dismal sales once again.
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5/29/2013 | 4:55:23 PM
re: 5 Windows 8 Gripes Microsoft Must Address
Article is spot-on. Win 8 is really just an interim release, as this writer's comments prove. As a business user or as a consumer, it's hard to get excited about an interim release. Everything in Win 8 has that design-by-committee look: it's just kooky. As the IT decision-maker in my company, I give it a big NO WAY!

On the desktop, it's utterly the wrong tool for the job, yes, that much is obvious, even to Win 8 fanboys. But, as a tablet OS, it's still not right from a usability standpoint. If my programming staff produced a tablet-app UI as bad as this, I'd fire the lot of them. Remember, a UI is supposed to speed up user workflow, not slow it down. Win 8 will slow experienced users down. No need for that. No business advantage in that. Wait for Win 9 or Win 10.

The whole point of the graphical user interface is to make life easier for the user, not harder. Complex GUIs are often necessary, yes, but wasn't the whole point, way back, to make things easier than the old-fashioned command line? Even an old-style command line user interface is better than Windows 8. It seems like Microsoft has forgotten why graphical user interfaces exist at all.


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