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Windows 8 And Einstein's Definition Of Insanity
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UberGoober
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8/2/2013 | 4:44:59 PM
re: Windows 8 And Einstein's Definition Of Insanity
Cutting the price will not, to use an overused analogy, make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. People generally dislike (or hate) the Modern UI and by extension Win8, and a low price won't entice a lot of folks into buying this steaming pile of dog crap

Microsoft blew it, and its time to give in and admit defeat, even if it is only a tacit admission via a quick release of Win9 with the real desktop and real start menu back as the default.
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8/2/2013 | 5:37:37 PM
re: Windows 8 And Einstein's Definition Of Insanity
There is nothing new or innovated about the Surface product line putting the price point way out of line. From a hardware perspective it's old stuff and not completive. From a software perspective it's not intuitive enough. Unless there is someone at Microsoft that can tell the king (Ballmer) he has no cloths, I doubt any turn around is in the near future for Surface. The Zune may have some company in Microsoft's product graveyard.
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8/2/2013 | 5:46:10 PM
re: Windows 8 And Einstein's Definition Of Insanity
its frustrating because the Metro/Modern was really needed. We have an older touchscreen laptop and I tried playing around on Win7 using touch exclusively, it was quite the frustrating experience, too many things are too tiny to hit right. So a new paradigm really was needed and the touch interface is well done in Win8.

What is frustrating is the forcible lock on it. People would have been so happy to have a new way to easily download Angry Birds, but by forcing it on people as the only solution they generated a lot of ill will and eliminating desktop development to focus on lackluster simplistic-consumer-centric apps only aggravated it

Now that 8.1 Metro/Modern is removing the ability to access pictures *anywhere* except skydrive and the single default pictures location (and presumably other apps will follow as well) it seems that they are heading 180 degrees away from any/all power/business users.
Palomar Parkman
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8/2/2013 | 6:15:47 PM
re: Windows 8 And Einstein's Definition Of Insanity
The quote attributed to Einstein is not his. Do your homework - NOT SMART!
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8/2/2013 | 6:52:05 PM
re: Windows 8 And Einstein's Definition Of Insanity
Fortunately, Microsoft is too full of pride to admit they made a mistake. So they will keep making the mistake.

As a long time Microsoft detractor, I am so glad Ballmer runs the place. He will continue to bring them down.
Becca L
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8/2/2013 | 7:52:02 PM
re: Windows 8 And Einstein's Definition Of Insanity
For those as curious as I was... "[The quote] has been mis-attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, and Mark Twain. In fact, none of these great minds were responsible for such a convincing, yet blatantly incorrect definition. The first time it actually appeared in print was in a 1981 Narcotics Anonymous text (page 11)." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
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8/3/2013 | 1:30:58 AM
re: Windows 8 And Einstein's Definition Of Insanity
A third-party vendor (Stardock) has been doing for a year what Microsoft refuses to do - restore the full Start menu (not just the button) and fix Metro full-screen apps that can't window and don't have a click button to close. With Start8 and MetroMix in place for under $10, Windows 8 isn't awful. It's Windows 7.1 with a few big improvements like Client HyperV and the Task Manager.
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8/3/2013 | 1:38:31 PM
re: Windows 8 And Einstein's Definition Of Insanity
Agree completely.

Incredulous that despite the deafening backlash Microsoft continues down this flawed path. Trying to use the Start Screen for anything is akin to using a butter knife as a screwdriver. It might work, but it's definitely NOT the right tool for the job. The whole experience is condescending and amateurish.
JasonJ043
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8/3/2013 | 9:23:51 PM
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People keep saying Balmer is bringing Microsoft down, but the financial numbers of his tenure say the opposite. Perception is not reality.
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8/4/2013 | 1:35:23 AM
re: Windows 8 And Einstein's Definition Of Insanity
The slow-motion train wreck that is Windows 8/Windows RT/Metro UI/Surface/Apps Store is exactly what tens of thousands of we advanced testers told Microsoft was going to happen nearly two years ago when we saw Windows 8 and Metro UI for the first time. Microsoft failed to listen then and they changed nothing then. We can now expect the slow-motion train wreck to continue until the bitter end when all of the Microsoft Windows 8 ecosystem boxcars have completely crashed to the bottom of the gorge.

The primary reason to expect the train wreck to continue is that Surface, Windows RT, Windows 8.x, Metro UI and Microsoft Apps Store have almost completely failed in the marketplace and there is no longer the possibility of resurrecting failed products in today's technological milieu. Social media and internet resources rein supreme now, phenomena that did not fully exist during Microsoft's last disaster, namely Vista.

All is different now. Word of failure now spreads through the population at the speed of light, and the net is cast large. Very few haven't now heard of the horribleness of Windows 8, Metro UI and the various Surfaces. Because there are no longer second chances for failed products in this new world, Microsoft can no longer expect to release 1/4 baked products on an unsuspecting world and then expect to make them work half-way decent a couple of years later via SP1, SP2 or SP3.

Microsoft is truly beating a dead horse with the Windows 8 ecosystem. Continuing with any of these brands would be as if Coke had stuck with New Coke, issuing New New Coke, now in small cans, or Ford released the new Edsel Sportster to repair the Edsel brand image.

Even worse, though, is that while Microsoft has been busily proving that they don't have a snowball's chance in Hades of becoming a meaningful player in the consumer mobile market, they've simultaneously alienated their bread and butter enterprise and SMB customers by trying to foist a cell-phone interface on industrial servers and business PCs, all the while trying to foist the insane notion that touch on the PC is the wave of the future.

Touch on a PC is about as useful as teats on a boar hog. Actually, less useful. Does Microsoft really expect 100 million CAD/CAM designers, accountants, and other industrial content makers to hold their arms up horizontally all day inaccurately poking smudges on their 42" monitors with their fat fingers, working at 1/100th the speed as before Windows 8 with 1000 times the physical effort, in the mean time destroying their neck and shoulder girdle?

Touch is an extremely low bandwidth input method with horrendous inaccuracy and extremely harmful ergonomics when compared to a keyboard and mouse. Touch might be OK for looking up the latest cat video, or tweeting, texting, or talking, but that's about it, and if that's all anyone is doing, then some kind of $300.00 slab might be just fine, and you don't need a Windows OS for that, with all of its horrendously awful failure modes, bloat, brittleness, weekly updates and viruses that the consumer public has been wresting unsuccessfully with for decades.

Unfortunately for Microsoft, they have no Plan B to solve the above mess, and their only strategy is to rearrange deckchairs as they watch the SS Microsoft Titanic sink beneath the waves caused when Captain Ballmer rammed them into the big iceberg.

Bottom line is that by the time Gates and the Board flush Ballmer, Microsoft will have been irrevocably damaged, and will most likely follow many other former mixed enterprise/consumer tech titans by being forced out of consumer markets altogether due to their complete ineptitude at true innovation, becoming just another large B2B company, providing mostly enterprise and SMB products.
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