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Palpatine
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8/21/2013 | 7:56:21 AM
re: Windows 8 Won't Be Saved By Keyboards
ok, pay me 10 min of average salary multiplied for 1,5 billion people.
I'll use those bucks to fund a lobby to switch position of cars' pedals with steering wheel, no manual included.
Palpatine
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8/21/2013 | 7:54:05 AM
re: Windows 8 Won't Be Saved By Keyboards
the horse is dead, it is not a matter of how hard they will beat it or how much cash they have to burn (now, it is far far far less than aapl, google, and disgruntled oems turning to android!).
if they lose oem support, pc market will not obviously die tomorrow, but people will buy, as always the 95% did, what they find in the supply chain, and now that Vallmer insulted oems turning ms in a competitor hw company, it will be android or whatever else.
w8 is no longer a selling point.
Mike_Acker
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8/21/2013 | 2:55:26 AM
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yep. and they are also in check: XP is sunk and nobody wants 8 and they won't sell anybody 7.
Michael Endler
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8/20/2013 | 9:47:31 PM
re: Windows 8 Won't Be Saved By Keyboards
Also, separate point about the laptop usage.

Forrester samples knowledge workers, who are more securely tethered to keyboards than most people. Introducing a tablet only has to reduce laptop use if one assumes that overall computing activity is static.

I, for example, have both tablets (with keyboards) and computers in my household. A few years ago, I had only computers. Today, I probably spend 20% of my time on a tablet and 80% of my time on a computer-- so in percentage terms, my PC usage has declined. However, I type a ton more today than I did a few years ago, which means I spend more time than ever before looking at a laptop. I also spend more time at my desktop working on other things that tablets aren't suited for, such as photo and video projects. My overall time spent at computers has increased by a huge margin. So in that sense, my PC use actually increased DESPITE the introduction of a tablet.

I might not represent a typical case, and I think you're probably right that, on the whole, most people spend less time on their PCs because they now have tablets.

But you can see why only 35% of knowledge workers would perceive that they're using their laptops or PCs any less, or that their laptops or PCs are any less essential. The number of them who do substantial typing on a tablet is predictably confined.
Michael Endler
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8/20/2013 | 9:37:25 PM
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The dinner table analogy is pretty apt-- good thinking.

I agree-- the point of the 80% stat is that most people want to use smartphones, tablets, and PCs together - in some proportion or another - instead of a device that tries to be all things to all people.

Windows 8 built a lot of its appeal around consolidating a tablet and a laptop into one device, and Intel bought in too, by incorporating touch into the Ultrabook specifications. But it's turned out that while people don't mind a tablet that can take over for a laptop in a pinch, they still want real computers. They don't want to replace real computers as often as they replace smartphones and tablets, but they want real computers.

If Microsoft has its way, "real computers" will eventually include Surface Pro-like devices that get docked to a separate monitor and keyboard. The computer's form factor becomes even more modular, in other words. But we're a lot of consumer and enterprise hardware spending away from that vision happening. So the Forrester stats are interesting in the sense that they reinforce that one of Microsoft/ Intel's primary bets hasn't paid off.

The conversation gains another wrinkle because there ARE a minority of users who want a do-it-all device, and Windows 8 still hasn't capitalized on this niche.
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8/20/2013 | 12:47:07 PM
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Agreed but MS is not Commodore. It has a lot of money and horizontal market positions to burn. If MS goes away, which I don't think it will, it won't go quietly and it will continue to burn cash for a quite a while. They are still making huge profits with, for most companies, big margins. Until that stops, they'll continue to beat whatever horses they can.
ChrisMurphy
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8/20/2013 | 10:24:15 AM
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i hadn't thought of that point, it's a great observation that laptop use only declined for 35% since they began using a tablet. My own laptop use hasn't noticeably dropped -- I use a tablet for reading, taking notes and watching Netflix mostly. That low decline in laptop use casts some doubt on this being the post-PC era. At the least it suggests people are likely to still buy a whole lot of PCs in the post-PC era.
anon9103208109
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8/20/2013 | 10:10:47 AM
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"Some 35% of the study's respondents said their laptop use has declined since they began using tablets."

Shouldn't this figure be more like 100%? How can anyone think that laptop use would not decline after buying a tablet? Unless signif typing is involved, most people use a tablet instead of a laptop when on-the-go, whilst less than 10 years ago a laptop was the only option. Admittedly, a tablet eats even more into smartphone use for lots of users (assuming they owned their smartphones first), but that doesn't mean the answer to 'has your laptop use declined...' wouldn't still be 'yes'.

This whole argument is pretty silly. Almost everyone has both, plus a smartphone. I also have a Netbook, which is great for "I mite need to type more than is practical on my Kindle Fire, but I still don't want to carry my laptop thru the airport." I'd love to replace it with something like the Surface Pro, but the SP costs about 250% what the Netbook did, and the Metro interface makes me want to kill myself. The Netbook also has 3x as much local storage as the SP, which is a difference that apparently everyone except me thinks is no big deal.

This is all sort of like discussing whether dinner plates are being replaced by salad plates, and of course throwing in the suggestion that serving platters (desktop PC's) won't even be around in 5 years. All of them will always be around, just in different proportions.
Palpatine
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8/20/2013 | 6:07:56 AM
re: Windows 8 Won't Be Saved By Keyboards
yes, just like the last Amiga was saved by stubbornly beating a dead horse...
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8/20/2013 | 6:07:23 AM
re: Windows 8 Won't Be Saved By Keyboards
they have not talent for whatsoever market. oem were the key of ms success, and now they are starting thriving android business because of the dancing chair throwing ballmerboy bufooooon 1) wasted a decade and did not come out with a good mobile product 2) bet the comany on competing against oem with surface.
i wonder how there us still people not understanding how doomed is ms now.
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