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Robots Taking All Our Jobs? Ridiculous
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bfately914
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9/27/2013 | 9:41:01 PM
re: Robots Taking All Our Jobs? Ridiculous
@barnabyD077 is correct - just because the historical argument against the Luddite position ("don't worry, in ten years there will be jobs we can't imagine today!") has held true thus far in no way means it will continue to do so. No doubt there will be jobs ten years hence that we cannot imagine today - but the "photonic transmogrification engineer" position of the future will require high levels of skill and education which the vast majority of people will not have. Meanwhile, when (not if) iRobot (or someone) comes out with a robot that can pick strawberries, all those displaced workers will have no place to go.
In the 1900 US census, something like a third of the population worked on farms. A mere 100 years later, under 3% did so. All those workers, replaced as they were by the technologies of tractors and fertilizers, etc., moved to the cities and essentially became apprentices, learning hos to put wheels on cars or whatever. That kind of apprenticeship education will simply not work when one will need PhD-level knowledge. Workers in certain high touch jobs - nurses, cops, (call girls?) etc. will not be replaced so easily, but the vast majority of the workforce will become, as it was put in that episode of Twilight Zone, obsolete.
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9/27/2013 | 8:41:52 PM
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A huge use for Gogle's self-driving car concept can be found in the trucking industry. Big 18-wheelers will slowly be replaced by fleets of smaller box trucks that will drive themselves to their destinations at optimum hours and delivery times. This will reduce the need for OTR drivers and increase the need for people who know how to run robotic loading/unloading devices. It will be weird driving at night alongside all the robotic trucks everywhere on the interstates.
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9/27/2013 | 8:31:34 PM
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it's an argument some people made (persuasively) for labor unions back in the day: auto, steel and other workers making a very decent wage have more disposable income to buy the goods and services of American companies.
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9/27/2013 | 6:37:26 PM
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Companies invest in robots and other forms of automation to cut costs (as well as improve productivity). To require companies to continue paying the wages of the people who they've replaced is self-defeating. Then are we to create and fund an agency to find the "cheaters" as well?
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9/27/2013 | 5:24:04 PM
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Larger the Datacenter larger is the manforce required to manage that, but i guess robots can make our job easy for us..in the same way they are helping in automobile industry from fitting glass panes to bolts but replacing us definitely not now...
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9/27/2013 | 5:05:57 PM
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When a person looses a job to a Robot that person should continue to get a wage earned by that robot until gainfully employed again.

Of course they would have to prove they are really, seriously, and actively looking for work too.

Not the easy kick back and take everything they are giving until it is all gone methods like unemployment recipients. Get caught cheating the system? Loose all income available including food stamps. No resources for you here on this earth! Go away, or get a job if you are hungry. And stop making it easy to live on the streets for the cheaters that get caught. A real problem OK, but if you cheat once you are on your own at least until you loose the next job. Then if they are caught twice. They will just have to take care of them selves in bad times from that point forward. Second chances only work if they are real drop dead points of fact.

There's a problem we could solve today.
HandyManDanDBR
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9/27/2013 | 5:02:13 PM
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What's really killing jobs is welders and other workers that earn $7 a day in other countries (Bloomberg). We now live in a world economy. Wages will always match supply and demand. There are tons of workers world wide giving companies tons of supply and therefore, people asking for higher wages get little demand. Corporations do need to be careful as consumers without income will kill the demand for their products.
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9/27/2013 | 4:38:57 PM
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Robert, where do innovations like Google's self-driving car fit into your point of view?

A related question: Will medicine-delivering robots free hospitals up to employ more nurses? Or will they point that savings elsewhere? Jury is still out on that.
Greg MacSweeney
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9/27/2013 | 4:01:33 PM
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I used to get $1 for doing the dishes when i was a kid, then we got a dishwasher and i lost that income. Instead, i was able to take the time i saved to go an mow lawns in the neighborhood for $25 a lawn. I was a happy kid!
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9/27/2013 | 2:22:43 PM
re: Robots Taking All Our Jobs? Ridiculous
Atkinson refers to the Luddite fallacy. Fundamentally this is claimed to be a fallacy as automation does not result it higher unemployment in the long term as displaced workers have or can learn skill sets that are still of economic value. This being so, on average workers are better off after the automation because a more productive economy increases wages or decreases prices.

Atkinson is correct in claiming that, in the past, the Luddite fallacy has proven to be incorrect. However, the contention that it will always remain incorrect depends on the assumption that workers will always have or will always be able to learn skill sets that have economic value which have not been automated. This is turn implicitly depends on a certain degree of pessimism with regard to progress in artificial intelligence.

If Atkinson is unduly pessimistic with regards to progress in AI then the Luddite fallacy may yet prove not to be entirely fallacious. Once AI exceeds humans in a sufficiently broad domain of intellectual tasks then it may indeed result in workers without marketable skill sets. The arguments then used in the rest of the article would not apply.

Perhaps Atkinson could address this point?
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