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Apple Vs. Microsoft: Tablet Empire Strikes Back
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StanS335
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10/26/2013 | 3:20:23 PM
re: Apple Vs. Microsoft: Tablet Empire Strikes Back
I stopped reading after you said that neither surface included Microsoft Office. Please do your research before misinforming others.
Eric Zeman
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10/26/2013 | 3:32:34 PM
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All my information regarding the Surface tablets came directly from Microsoft.com. The Surface 2 comes with Office RT, which isn't the full version of Office.
StanS335
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10/26/2013 | 4:47:52 PM
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I was going to argue with you more, but it seems you changed your article. Its more accurate now.
mak63
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10/28/2013 | 2:57:09 AM
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Surface RT got Office since the beginning. it didn't change with v2. Even a non Microsoft Tablet user as myself knows that.
melgross
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10/29/2013 | 12:58:12 PM
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It comes with it, but it's not that useful. By contract, it can't even be used to write your r+¬sum+¬.
gnicholson330
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10/26/2013 | 9:29:57 PM
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Microsoft continues to demonstrate that it's a software company first and a hardware company last. If they could overcome their propensity for proliferating bloatware and then close a three year hardware technology gap, they might be a real threat to Apple and others.
mak63
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10/28/2013 | 2:59:50 AM
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"three year hardware technology gap" Really? Like what exactly?
DDURBIN1
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10/28/2013 | 5:28:07 PM
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The "new" Surface products are still "older" technology compared to iPad and most high-end Androids. Sure, newer display and new chip but still bulky size and weight. An HD display is at least three years old. An i5 chip, again at least three years old but the prices are state of the art high.
wht
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10/28/2013 | 11:26:11 PM
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i3, i5, i7 chips are not 3 years old. Intel has released 4 versions of the chips...you want to by a device like a notebook or desktop with the 4th generation i5 or i7 chip. Most tablets are different and don't use an Intel chip, the Surface Pro or Pro2 being exceptions.
rradina
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10/28/2013 | 11:28:36 PM
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Surface 2 Pro is built with Intel's Haswell chips. They were introduced in June 2013. How is that old?
mak63
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10/29/2013 | 10:55:15 PM
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I agree with the comments below. I can give you there is room for improvement, e.g. weight, screen resolution, apps, but the i5? Don't think so. Read about it here:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/I...
The price seems also fine for the Pro (remember is a tablet/Win PC). The Surface 2 is cheaper than the latest iPad
glenn817
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10/28/2013 | 5:06:12 PM
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The truth is, like Microsoft or hate them - from a OS standpoint they are ahead of every other OS out there. Do you really think some future version of iOS or Chrome OS won't have touch functionality?

As flawed as the implementation may be with Windows 8 (and it is debatable), it is still ahead of the curve.
DDURBIN1
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10/28/2013 | 5:44:48 PM
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You hit the nail on the head as to why Windows 8 is doing so poorly. The one OS fits all strategy was born from lazyness and cost avoidance not from applied science. Applied science seems to indicate keyboard and mouse is a superior interface for desktops and an intuitive touch interface superior for tablets. Windows 8 is neither on either.
wht
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10/28/2013 | 11:27:29 PM
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It's the users choice to use a mouse/KB or touch, or both. Lazyness and cost avoidance...what are you smoking?
rradina
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10/28/2013 | 11:37:27 PM
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Applied science claims there is significant demand for a single device that enables folks to do desktop and tablet tasks on one device.

The key difference between those tasks are the human interface. To that end, a device that has both a touch screen and a keyboard/touchpad or mouse would seem to be what folks want. We can debate until the cows come home as to whether or not they ruined the desktop but I've never accepted previous versions of Windows without customizing it to my liking. Windows 8.x is no different. By that I mean you can customize it to prevent switching back-and-forth between the touch and desktop experience. Sans the start button and Aero, there's little to complain about between Win 8 and Win 7 desktop. That leaves the only open question as whether or not Microsoft created a decent touch interface. IMO, it's not the touch interface, it's the apps. Most of the apps feel hurried and buggy. Even Microsoft's own apps.
VFanRJ
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11/1/2013 | 7:51:41 PM
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I will say that after using Windows 8 for almost a year, I've become a fan of it. For me it took months of using it to realize that it really is a move forward in the right direction. And I don't even have a touch screen
ANON1252035144238
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10/27/2013 | 7:08:16 AM
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Samsung is cannibalizing their own products e.g. phablets vs the 10.1 products.

MS surfaces will find it hard to win because there are too many cheap competitors in the market.

So prepare another writ off.
glenn817
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10/28/2013 | 5:07:01 PM
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Good point. This is undermining both Apple and Microsoft - most of the world that don't have a device yet will buy a cheap Android or Chrome device.
anon8891600134
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10/28/2013 | 3:59:02 AM
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I'm getting my iPad Air first week of November.... Can't wait!
wht
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10/28/2013 | 11:28:09 PM
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Glad you can afford this overpriced toy.
melgross
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10/29/2013 | 12:59:27 PM
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When will you fanboys grow up?
glenn817
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10/28/2013 | 5:03:47 PM
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"Surface 2 comes with Microsoft Office Home and
Student 2013 RT, but some functionality is limited. It's not the full
desktop version."

This comment is factual, if a bit disingenuous. I'm a pretty heavy excel user for work, and outside of some VBA coding, on my RT, I can do 95% of what I can do on the "full' desktop version. The real critique would be how useful this is on a 10.1 inch screen.

That said, it is the best device available that I've seen or am aware of for any travel. I use excel and word without a hitch, connect to my work VPN, do SAS and SQL on the remote server - all at under 2lbs.

I own an iPad, and since I picked up a reduced price RT in September, I haven't used it for anything except iTunes (which is great).
DDURBIN1
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10/28/2013 | 5:35:23 PM
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You can do the same on the iPad, just need the right apps most cheaper than Office. I've moved from the iPad to an Android (Nexus 10) and still have no problem finding compatible Office apps.
moarsauce123
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10/29/2013 | 11:27:58 AM
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You mention the key point here: the tiny screen of tablets. You cannot do any effective office work on such a tiny screen and not with the rather crappy keyboards that come with it.
Also, the claim that the Surface comes with Office omits another important aspect: you need a desktop license of MS Office in order to run the tablet version. That makes a Surface even more expensive!
ANON1242050524091
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11/14/2013 | 1:12:05 PM
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Only if you are using it in a Business Setting. If you are using it for Personal Productions (Writing resume's, home spreadsheets, news letters for non for profits) then there is no additional cost.

Those Business that have a MS Office EA can use it as well without the purchase of anything else. Then again you have an EA so there you go.
DDURBIN1
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10/28/2013 | 5:39:05 PM
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With the billions upon billions of Apple and Android devices in the market Microsoft will be offering a compatible version of Office some day soon. MS is smart enough (and greedy enough) to know if you can't beat them join them.
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10/28/2013 | 6:32:25 PM
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The Surface 2 starts at $449 and the Surface Pro 2 starts at $899. Too expensive.
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10/28/2013 | 11:29:56 PM
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Too expensive for some, yes. Not so for those that need the compatibility to their Windows network at work, for travel, and as their primary desktop device.
moarsauce123
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10/29/2013 | 11:23:08 AM
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Those folks buy a laptop with more oomph for less money.
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10/29/2013 | 1:28:30 AM
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"... but they aren't the only two in the ring. On the same day that Microsoft launched its new Surface tablets....., Nokia waded into the tablet fray with the Lumia 2520..."

Come on, are you aware that Microsoft Acquired Nokia?

"Apple Vs. Microsoft: Tablet Empire Strikes Back"

Since when Microsoft is in the warzone? Do you even watch star wars? Since you are talking about tablets wars, its only Apple vs Android / Empire vs Rebel Alliance. Microsoft cant even compare with Ewoks in this context.
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10/29/2013 | 12:56:50 PM
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Perhaps the word"supremacy" is a bit much. Microsoft is struggling for survival in the tablet space. Before they fight for supremacy, they need to increase sales to a noticeable level.
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11/1/2013 | 12:22:16 AM
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To make headway in tablets, Microsoft needs to put a full function version of Office on Surface at a low price. The best price would be free. Let users pay for other apps. To refuse to do so is to concede most of the table market to Apple and Android.
Isaac George Prevette ITC 4G
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11/9/2013 | 11:11:35 PM
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Thanks for your helpful insights to Apple iPad Air& Microsoft Surface Pro. Could you &
your readers kindly comment & explain which applications have the companies &
organizations found must useful for working at the same time in 3 different systems?
What are the best applications for transfer of special photos,medical patient records,
human resources personnel records,on screen data between Apple iPad Air &
Microsoft Surface Pro W8.1 & Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1,Google Android tablets,
Sony Xperia Z tablets &Nokia Lumia2520. How can you transfer information quickly
between the 3 major systems? What functions well, Evernote?,Safari? VLC MediaPlayer?
Dropbox? How are most companies managing 3 systems since most customers &
employees & patients & students often have 3 different systems. Perhaps one has
Apple iPad air & another has Samsung Galaxy Note & another Microsoft Surface Pro
Thanks & Happy Thanksgiving to all of you Isaac George Sulo Prevette Isaac George Prevette Anu Marjaana Hippel+ñinen Prevette 36910 Rautajarvi Finland igprevet@aol.com
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