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What Windows 8 Needs Now
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jemison288
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12/7/2013 | 12:56:08 PM
New Paradigm
One might argue that Angry Birds could have done the trick for Microsoft if they had been able to act sooner, but, at this point, I think it's unlikely that a game can make it happen.  Microsoft's best way to increase market share on Windows 8 is through business channels, not through consumer ones (too expensive; they've lost to Android and iOS already), and not through educational ones (too expensive; lost to Google at the moment).

I think Microsoft's best shot here is through Lync and Skype and building out the collaboration tools in Office (Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook).  Google Docs is simply not as good as Microsoft Office, except from a collaboration standpoint (but Office 365 is pretty darn close).  These all have good network effects, and if business adoption is solid, I would expect that they'll make the jump from business to consumer, and also to education.

"Solitaire for Windows 8" implies that there hasn't been a paradigm shift, and that's wrong.  When Windows 3.1 came out, most households didn't have a computer--or if they did, it was far inferior to what's at work.  But today, most households have smartphones and tablets that they view as superior to the locked-down systems they use at work.  New paradigm.
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12/8/2013 | 6:27:13 AM
The right solution to the wrong problem.
Even if it was possible to come up with a Solitaire, Minesweeper or Angry Birds for Windows 8.1, it wouldn't help, because the problem isn't that users must be accustomed to touch interface, the problem is that a touch interface is slow, awkward and unintuitive if you're using mouse + keyboard.

Microsoft could instead very easily solve the problem by adding a setting to let the user select if he wanted Metro or Aero, just like one could select which interface one wanted in previous versions of Windows. This would make both touchpad and PC users happy, and be trivial for Microsoft to implement.

The reason Microsoft wont do that, is because common wisdom is that PC is dying, so Microsoft intends to force PC users (and more importantly developers) to Metro. Microsoft, almost certainly correctly, feels that all business users, most private users, and nearly all developers, would stay with Aero if given a choice, and this would stymie acceptance of portable Windows devices.

So, effectively Microsoft is throwing PC users under the bus in order to boost development and uptake of portable Windows devices. No game could ever fix that.
ekholbrook
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12/8/2013 | 7:13:36 AM
iOS and Android look more like Windows than Windwos does
Ultimately I think one of the biggest problems windows 8 has with it's interface is that it looks and works less like Windows we all knew and loved than Android or even iOS.

Neither Google nor Apple strayed so far from the icon/folder interface that we went, "What the heck am I looking at" when we saw it.

Turn on your iPad, iPhone or Android device. Looks like your standard "icon" type interface. You use your fingers, sure, but it's ultimately the same interface we all know.

Android really is just a windows 7 (or mac) looking interface with little icons and folders but with touch capability and then each app then then decices what and where to touch.

You can in fact plug in a USB to an Android tablet and you it works equally as well.

Microsoft decided to go in a totally different direction. Almost like making a car with two steering wheels, one to go left, one to go right.

There's zero reason Microsoft couldn't have put in BETTER development time and simply made Window 7, fully touch capable upgrade some basic GUI stuff to better handle touch. Widgets on the desktop, etc. I mean everything is there and really WAS all there.

They took a chance and went to tile AND weird desktop back and forth model. And neither works well.

Apple and Google opted to the safer route of not scaring people off. Icons work well. They realized this was not a place people wanted to see things change. Not in windows, not in their phone, not on Android, ioS or anywhere else.
Horrido
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Horrido,
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12/8/2013 | 10:56:44 AM
Windows 8 Needs Nothing
Because nothing can improve Windows 8's prospects, except Windows' market momentum of the past 20+ years. People buy into Windows 8 largely because they don't have much choice; they may be wedded to Microsoft's ecosystem and infrastructure.

Windows 8.x is Microsoft's attempt to usurp the mobile space, at the cost of their desktop PC market. Touch-enabled PCs will never catch on; without touch, Windows 8 is clumsy and inefficient. And the Metro UI flies in the face of the original desktop paradigm that made Windows and Mac so popular; good multitasking requires being able to see several application windows across the screen. This is why this paradigm was first chosen and it has withstood the test of time. Is Metro a suitable alternative or substitute? Not on your life.

Windows 8 is highly polarizing for that reason. Nearly as many people hate Windows 8 as love it. Yes, there's a way to configure Windows 8 to avoid Metro, but it's more complicated than it needs to be; without a positive "out-of-the-box" experience, these people have rebelled. This is where Microsoft screwed up badly.

If and when the desktop market becomes insignificant to Microsoft's bottom line, then Windows 8's successors will finally have their day. Until then, expect more polarization.

 
Horrido
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12/8/2013 | 4:41:48 PM
Unification
Microsoft's attempt at unification between the mobile world and the desktop world is deeply flawed. In the mobile world, you're dealing with a handheld device and a small screen. Here, the touch-enabled Metro UI in Windows 8 flourishes; it is the most efficient way to deal with the small display.

In the desktop world, you're dealing with a large fixed display with plenty of room for multiple windows. Here, the mouse and keyboard rule. A touch-based UI is impractical and inefficient; raising your arm repeatedly to poke at the screen is unnecessary and undesirable. So is producing fingerprint smudges on the display. Combined with the limited number of simultaneous viewable apps and Metro proves to be a poor substitute for the conventional desktop we all know and love.

Microsoft's desire for unification is laudable, but Windows 8.x is NOT the way to do it. The bridging of these two worlds is very difficult, and even Apple is facing the same challenge. Microsoft needs to go back to the drawing board and start from scratch. However, we all know they will not do that.

The only sensible solution is for Microsoft to offer users a choice of UI when they install Windows: the Metro UI, or a pure desktop UI such as Aero (to give users the best out-of-the-box experience). We also know they will not do that, for it would no longer be "unification."

Thus, Microsoft is between a rock and a hard place.
Hagrinas
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12/8/2013 | 8:24:55 PM
Re: Unification
Not only that, Windows 7 was only one release earlier and one of the features was a push toward multimedia. Is a user with a home theater PC expected to leave the couch, walk up to the TV and slide his finger across it to move icons? A mouse works, and a remote control works even better for some features, but it's a moot point if my TV doesn't support it and my arms aren't 10 feet long. 

They needed to come up with a new operating system called Metro that was able to run Windows programs, and to leave Windows alone or improve it. You can't call it Windows if the operating paradigm doesn't use windows. Instead they called it Windows when it isn't Windows, tried to integrate environments that are separate for a reason, and in the long term may have given me incentive to look for viable desktop/home theater PC solutions if they won't offer one. 

If I wanted my PC to work like my tablet or phone, I'd use my tablet or phone. I have a tablet. I have a phone. And I have a PC for a reason. My daughter has a tablet PC (i.e. touch screen that rotates and covers the keyboard area to be used with a finger/stylus) and Windows 8 works great. Even with the screen rotated in a traditional position, touch still adds to the experience. But for many tasks, even she isn't used to it after using tablet PCs for years. It's the right OS for her, mostly, but not for me. Perhaps I'll end up with a Mac, not by choice, but because there was no other choice. In the mean time, if I need to use somebody's Windows 8 PC, I get frustrated beyond anything trying to use it as a PC.
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12/8/2013 | 5:23:33 PM
Seeing the tablet through the trees
It's funny to see the mixed reactions to Microsoft's Win8 strategy.  The reality is that unless you actually use the devices in their proper context, there is no way to understand the true benefits of this platform.  I know, I was one of those people who thought "Win 8 OS?  Really? " and brushed it's Metro interface aside.  A few months later I found myself with a Win 8 phone and a Dell Win 8 tablet.  I also had the ability to see how the 2 devices interact, and that's when it clicked.  The real advantage of Windows 8 platforms is that most organizations are already powered by Microsoft.  Exchange, SharePoint, Office, Windows....we work in a Microsoft world.  iOS is just a means to access these applications, but it's not a native experience.  The real sexiness of this platform is to see how once you throw in Office 365, you can truly work from any Windows 8 device...tablet, smartphone, laptop...seamlessly.  For the first time, you can create content and remain at full productivity, not just consume content.  This is the fundamental benefit of Windows 8, and why organizations should be looking at it as a key part of their next wave of IT migration.  Not to mention that having tons of xbox games at your disposal makes solitaire look quite old school.
Hagrinas
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Hagrinas,
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12/8/2013 | 8:29:55 PM
Re: Seeing the tablet through the trees
It's not a question of seeing it in its proper context. It's a matter of recognizing that it's not the right tool for other contexts. I'm happy to use it in some environments. But I'm not going to replace my PC with a phone or tablet, nor am I going to replace my tablet or phone with PCs. I'm perfectly fine with a different interface on my tablet, phone and PC. It would be a disaster if my phone ran Windows 7, and would be even worse if my media center ran Windows 8 on my HDTV across the room from my couch. If they think the next generation of HDTVs will have touch screens and I will grow 12 foot arms, they are mistaken.
Horrido
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12/8/2013 | 9:11:28 PM
Re: Seeing the tablet through the trees
Your comment is applicable mainly to the enterprise. Most consumers do not rely on Exchange, SharePoint, or even Office. Moreover, few organizations are going to standardize on smartphones, tablets, and PCs; BYOD makes for happier employees. It is Microsoft's wet dream for the business world to standardize on Windows devices, but in reality, this is not going to happen. Not by a long shot.
Henrick
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12/8/2013 | 9:00:57 PM
What Windows 8 needs
I agree with the article. Windows 8 needs a game that could be the new solitaire. That game should be fun, educational, addictive and only require a finder.

Guess what! There is such a game in the Windows 8 Store. It is Word Rain and can be found at:

http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/app/word-rain/6a1cbb34-4741-45a4-823f-a8c018d6e099

It is free!

You can play it by yourself, yet you get to see, via the leaderboard, what all other players are scoring. You can decide to try and get the best score or you can just enjoy playing the game for the sake of learning new words. If you enjoy Scrabble or Word With Friends or word puzzles, you will be quite pleasantly surprised by the premise of this game.

I wrote this game to show my students (Computer Science majors in the majority) that when I kept telling them that  they can write apps that can bring them some financial rewards, I was not kidding. I went ahead and wrote the algorithm for this app. Now, if I can get enough people to download it and try it, it might help convince those students that, yes, they can do the same.

The interesting thing is that I couldn't afford a Surface 2 to do the development work. But Joe Healy (Principal Microsoft Developer Evangelist: c:727.776.1723 :: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/devfish
) was kind enough to provide me one so that I could prepare a C# course targeted at Windows 8 for my students. I took the opportunity offered me to also write the game.

Please, go ahead, try it, rate it and let me know (via the contact link in the game) if you think such a game could be the new Solitaire for Windows 8.
Li Tan
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12/9/2013 | 12:25:34 AM
Re: What Windows 8 needs
This game looks interesting and I do like the point in the post - yes a fancy but simple game is the best tour guide for new Windows 8 OS. Compared to its Windows ancestors, Windows 7 do change a lot and provide a fantastic UI. But Windows 8 is not that surprising when it first comes to public. With a good game, we should not have much procrastination on adopting Windows 8 widely.
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12/8/2013 | 10:39:33 PM
Game
The game was developed in 1989 by then intern Wes Cherry, who famously received no royalties from his work, like Windows, Gates ripped off as many people as he could to make millions
Thomas Claburn
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12/9/2013 | 3:24:33 PM
Re: Game
>The game was developed in 1989 by then intern Wes Cherry, who famously received no royalties from his work, like Windows, Gates ripped off as many people as he could to make millions

 

Was he really ripped off, or did he just sign an agreement without really thinking about the consequences? Content creators often sign bad contracts. A good attorney or a close reading of the terms might have helped.
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12/8/2013 | 10:39:36 PM
Game
The game was developed in 1989 by then intern Wes Cherry, who famously received no royalties from his work, like Windows, Gates ripped off as many people as he could to make millions
anon0450725016
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12/8/2013 | 10:39:36 PM
Game
The game was developed in 1989 by then intern Wes Cherry, who famously received no royalties from his work, like Windows, Gates ripped off as many people as he could to make millions
mak63
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12/9/2013 | 4:05:30 AM
no game need it
I think Windows 8 by itself is a game changer. Pun intend it.The stream of touch enable PCs and hybrids are proof of that.

I can't believe the array of comments talking trash about Windows 8, specially on the second page.. I thought I was reading comments from last year. Touch enable PCs, Windows 8 touch interface (aka Metro) and touchscreen input are here to stay. Deal with it.

 
Horrido
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12/9/2013 | 9:47:15 AM
Re: no game need it
I'm sorry, but the availability of touch-enabled PCs does not prove anything. PC sales are slumping and manufacturers are desperate to prop up sales. They're hoping against hope that Windows 8 and a touch UI will turn things around. It won't; sales will continue to slide. (BTW, sales of touch-based PCs only represent about 10 per cent of total PC sales.)

While a touch UI is suitable for mobile devices, it is an ill fit for desktop PCs. Metro flies in the face of the desktop paradigm that allows you to see several application windows across the screen. This is why the paradigm was first chosen over 30 years ago–it supported multitasking well. We mustn't forget what Metro was designed for: to manage apps on a small screen (ie, handheld devices), where multiple application windows cannot be practically displayed.

Yes, there is a desktop mode in Windows 8, but this only highlights the schizophrenic nature of Windows 8. Bouncing between Metro and desktop mode is highly inelegant and jarring.

Yes, you can configure Windows 8 to avoid Metro altogether, but as ZDNet's Ed Bott points out, the process is more complicated than it needs to be, thereby scaring away potential adopters. In other words, for desktop users, Windows 8's "out-of-the-box" experience is terrible.

And finally, the ergonomics of Metro for desktop users is awkward. Raising your arm repeatedly to poke at the screen, even on a laptop, is undesirable (not to mention fingerprint smudges). Like I said, on a mobile device, this is suitable and even necessary. On a touch-enabled PC? I'm willing to bet that most users don't like it.
mak63
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mak63,
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12/10/2013 | 4:24:47 PM
Re: no game need it
Horrido

I'm sorry, but the availability of touch-enabled PCs does not prove anything.


We'll see where the market is heading after the holiday season. In any case, the laptops and hybrids with touchscreen didn't come to light the way we're seeing it right now thanks to Linux or OS X, did they?

Am I correct to assume that you don't own a Windows 8.1 computer with touchscreen? You can try use it for a while. You might like it

 
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12/9/2013 | 5:16:16 PM
More than a game needed
A great game certainly couldn't have hurt, but it wouldn't be some kind of panacea. As some have pointed out, Microsoft didn't really need to condition people to touch; Apple had already done that. But Microsoft did need to familarize users with Windows 8's particular brand of touch-- e.g. "charms" menus that need to be swiped into view, and so forth. And Microsoft did a pretty terrible job in this regard.

That said, I think that Windows 8.1 and the new Windows 2-in-1s are much better embodiments of the hybrid concept-- but as I've written before, I still think convergence is as much as compromise as a convenience. If you're one of the groups that can really benefit from a hybrid device, then more power to you. But I don't think those groups rise above niche status.
mak63
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mak63,
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12/10/2013 | 5:47:32 PM
Re: no game need it
Yuschick

I don't get why point and click and touchscreen devices -as you say- should be separated. You can use any input @ any time according to your needs of the moment.
Let's suppose you're sitting comfortable on your cubicle with your new Surface Pro. While @ your desk, you might be using the type cover keyboard and a usb mouse. Let's say you need to attend a management meeting. You'll just take the Surface with you and use your fingers or a stylus.
What's wrong with this scenario?
Michael Endler
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12/13/2013 | 2:45:04 PM
Re: no game need it
For some people, nothing's wrong with the scenario. But I think that's the problem-- it's only tenable for some.

I have a Surface Pro, and I find it useful only in specific scenarios. If I tried to do the majority of my typing (let alone all of it) on the Type Cover, I'd lose my mind. Depending on your use cases, convergence devices can be stellar, but they can also present compromises-- which is one reason (besides how Microsoft presented Windows 8 in the first place) that 2-in-1 devices are so divisive.

This limitation can be mitigated, of course. If you combine the Surface Pro with the Surface docking station, a USB mouse, a full-size keyboard, and a monitor, you'll have a very decent desktop replacement that also works as a (somewhat heavy) tablet and a (somewhat small) laptop. But collecting all that gear involves a fair amount of expense, which limits the market (especially the non-commercial market) to which the device appeals. I like the Surface line, as I've written a few times, but unless you fall into specific use cases, I still think they're too compromised to be used as primary devices and too expensive to recommend as companion devices.

I appreciate that you're defending touchscreen laptops, though. I don't think touchscreens add a ton to the experience (in fact, if I were going to buy a laptop tomorrow, I'd buy a MacBook Pro), but it's nice to have touch when you want it. After using the Suface Pro, I sometimes catch myself swiping at the screen when I switch back to a tradiitonal laptop. As I heard one of HP's PC guys argue recently-- even if you only use the touchscreen once per day, you'll be happy that it's there when you do. Some actions, such as swiping up or down a webpage, are much smoother with touch. That said, you can get a number of the same benefits on an Apple machine via their peerless trackpads.


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