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moarsauce123
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12/14/2013 | 9:25:42 AM
Consumers to Tech Giants: Stop cooperating
As long as the tech giants just dish out the data for any petty reason or even make money with it (yes, that means you AT&T) all this is just empty talk. The tech giants have the resources to say No and take the federal agencies to court for each and every single request until either there is a clear court ruling by a real court (not this FISA court crap) or Congress finally gets something done and passes laws that ideally restrict and defund the NSA and the dozen other three letter agencies that sniff around in stuff that is none of their business.

If letters to Washington would accomplish anything the postal service would not run a deficit....
Brian.Dean
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12/11/2013 | 6:00:08 PM
Re: Who Can We Trust?
All of your points are excellent and perfectly logical. I feel that the tech giants are literally working for the customers in this instance. I could be wrong, but my view of a consumer is that a consumer and producer is the same thing and can only be distinguishable if time is narrowed down to a small period. Much like savings and investments are the same thing in the long run. 

If the US government does not have a framework to protect the intellectual property of customers/producers then foreign governments will also not protect intellectual property of customers/producers, and developing countries have more to lose by not respecting intellectual property because it would promote corruption. Tech giants can implement something like i2p or something that is massively more complicated to crack but doing so would mean less people have incentives and the capability to become customers/producers of ecommerce.
SaneIT
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12/11/2013 | 7:23:15 AM
Re: Who Can We Trust?
@ACM, this was part of my point. We've had reports of the NSA spying on us for years but it's not until someone walks away with some data and it becomes a high profile story that the tech giants seem to care.  There have long been people complaining about Google reading your mail in order to serve targeted ads, why is Google up in arms now?  I feel like the tech companies are trying to distance themselves from they spying but they are doing their own brand of spying at the same time and have been allowing the government to do so for years.  I don't see anyone closing their Dropbox, Gmail and Facebook accounts over the Snowden leaks so why has this become such a big deal for the tech giants?
Mathew
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12/11/2013 | 4:42:43 AM
Re: Who Can We Trust?
I agree that users are going to keep using these services, regardless. The UI and features/functionality is immediate, while privacy or domestic/foreign intelligence eavesdropping likely seems rather abstract.

What I find interesting about the open letter is that none of the signatories are yet encrypting their communications/data, end to end. At the same time, they're making a political call on the U.S. government not to eavesdrop on those communications.

But what's to stop anyone else -- namely, foreign governments with intelligence agencies that, unlike in the United States, feed intel to their domestic businesses to give them a competitive edge -- from intercepting those communications? 

As Tom said, if you build a strong cloud service, this problem goes away. And there are several steps these businesses could be making, which would help make the need for open letters unnecessary. 
Brian.Dean
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Brian.Dean,
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12/10/2013 | 6:52:06 PM
Re: Who Can We Trust?
Yes and whether $35 billion or $180 billion turns out to be the actual short term lose that the US cloud computing industry will suffer, I wonder how much it will cost the cloud industry in the long run. Canada has become the first country to have a free trade agreement with both EU and US (NAFTA), firms like Mitel and Asatra are merging to increase their productivity, and ICT in general requires rules that safeguard customer's information that is acceptable across borders.

First the government shutdown setback talks between the US and EU, and NSA is just causing more problems, if things continue similarly and US citizens do not take an active interest in this issue then next US jobs from the Cloud industry will be lost to global firms that are more efficient.
Drew Conry-Murray
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12/10/2013 | 5:54:15 PM
Re: Who Can We Trust?
I think the tech companies are overstating the issue of customer trust. No one is going to stop using Gmail because of the NSA. The real issue is the danger to our civil liberties. I'm glad the tech giants are using their clout to try and get some reforms in place, but it's unlikely any of them are going to suffer from a drop in users because of NSA surveillance.
Thomas Claburn
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12/10/2013 | 4:10:00 PM
Re: Who Can We Trust?
Once someone develops a cloud service that cannot be intercepted and decrypted, the issue will be resolved. But it remains to be seen whether that's technically doable and whether any government would allow a truly impenetrable service provider. If software weren't so full of holes by accident, the authorities would probably require the addition of holes...
Whoopty
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12/10/2013 | 12:23:35 PM
Re: Who Can We Trust?
I agree that the issue has mostly blown over, but with the US pushing its TPP agreement along, it's asking for another SOPA/PIPA style protest in a lot of countries that could easily bring the issue back to the fore. 
David F. Carr
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12/10/2013 | 10:05:12 AM
Re: Who Can We Trust?
This issue has likely "blown over" as far as the general public is concerned. Will businesses have a longer memory for it, in terms of deciding what data services vendors to trust?
WKash
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12/10/2013 | 9:47:16 AM
Re: Who Can We Trust?
SaneIT, fair point. I sense most people are generally indifferent to the Snowden revelations -- and that people have come to accept that the information about our lives is an open book - a tradeoff we make for the conveniences of technology.

It's interesting that the NSA revelations have got the Big Tech companies up in arms, but those companies are in many ways, harvesting and profiting more from our daily digital footprints than what NSA is doing. 
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