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J_Brandt
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J_Brandt,
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12/24/2013 | 9:51:49 AM
Re: Re : Microsoft Woos Gmail Users
Sachin, that has been MS's model from the very beginning.  Have one great application and enough other "tolerable" applications in a suite so that it's not worth the learning curve or effort to use something else.  Over time MS has improved the apps, but Mail, PowerPoint and others were barely tolerable in the beginning.
SachinEE
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SachinEE,
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12/24/2013 | 3:09:05 AM
Re : Microsoft Woos Gmail Users
It seems to me that people here are tempted to take the all-Google or all-Microsoft approach. It is important that we take different things separately. By advocating for, or going against, the whole portfolio of either company, we are supporting the corporate interests. Analyzing and assessing on a bit to bit basis would be more useful from users' point of view.
SachinEE
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12/24/2013 | 3:06:42 AM
Re : Microsoft Woos Gmail Users
@ copperslaone,I agree that Outlook provides a seamless and much better experience now. Outlook program in Microsoft Office and Mail app in Windows 8 and 8.1 add to the convenience of email usage.Working with emails in Mail app is like dealing with some local text document. It's really that easy. In the end, as you said, it's about everyone's unique preferences.
SachinEE
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SachinEE,
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12/24/2013 | 3:06:30 AM
Re : Microsoft Woos Gmail Users
@ Whoopty, you made a pertinent point and gave a valid comparison of the previous and current image of Google. Keeping the ethical side of Scroogled campaign aside, it has succeeded at least in raising questions about Google and pressing it against the wall. This campaign is certainly aided by some practices of Google such as scanning email contents which worked as extenuating circumstances.
AllenFalcon
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12/23/2013 | 11:16:37 AM
Re: Mixing Apples and Oranges?
Where Meg Whitman is coming from?  More than 60% of knowledge workers use a device other than a PC or Laptop for work.  Android, iOS, and Chrome are now part of the business IT ecosystem.  Windows desktop and laptop sales continue to plummet (although not as quickly as some have predicted), and Microsoft has had multiple missteps with tablets and failures with smartphones.  It remains to be seen if Microsoft can find a formula for tablet success and if they can make Windows phones relevant with only one manufacturer (which they own) seriously on board.

 
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anon1177325345,
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12/23/2013 | 11:05:10 AM
Re: Mixing Apples and Oranges?
Meg Whitman, CEO of HP (Microsoft's largest OEM/Partner) noted the following in a Q&A session at CRN's Best of Breed Conference in October: " If you look at the shift in the share of operating systems over the last couple of years, the share shift has been dramatic, from almost a 100 percent Windows operating system [share] to probably 60 percent share of market for Windows. Android has come on very strong and Chrome is starting to get real traction. So our world has changed."

 

Not sure what she is coming from there, I'm assuming she is referencing mobile devices as laptops and desktops are approximately 95% WindowsOS.
Brian45242
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12/19/2013 | 3:22:00 PM
Re: Have you tried Outlook.com?
Yes, I have used Outlook.com for my personal e-mail for quite some time.  I have no issues with it and find it conveniently similar to the full client Outlook I use at work.  I do also have a gmail account, mostly because I had to in order to access the App store for my Android based phone.

 

At the end of the day, none of these large companies (or their products) are perfect and we (the consumers) make trade offs as to what functionality we need and what privacy or other things we're willing to give up in order to get that.  Been that way for as long as I can remember...and like the old expression goes, "there is no such thing as a free lunch" so if they're giving you free e-mail, they have to generate revenue from that in some way.
virsingh211
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12/17/2013 | 3:43:20 AM
Re: Really?
I use both of them and definately Outlook keeps advantage over gmail, but cannot ignore Gmail wins over at cloud email, curious to see how they together work on single platform.
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12/15/2013 | 9:07:43 AM
Mixing Apples and Oranges?
Thomas,

I'm surprised you cannot more readily see through the Microsoft marketing machine and facade.

You start talking about Google Apps for Business with respect to migrating from Exchange and Notes. I'm sure you are smart enough to know that Google Apps for Business, Education, and Government do not include ads or any access content by Google that is not authorized (ie flagging something public, or publishing docs to web).  I'm also pretty sure you are aware that Google's terms of service, privacy policy, and SLA for their business applications reflect these facts.

You then jump to companies moving from Gmail, Googles free email service, to Outlook.com.  And, yes, while users agree to have systems scan emails for keywords so ads are hopefully relevent, you don't mention how Microsoft achieves the same result.  With Windows 8.1 and SmartSearch, Microsoft is scanning every file on your PC.  They are using your local searches to target Ad placement, along with your Internet search data.  Surprise!  Microsoft is targeting ads, too ... but just chooses to scan and use different user data.

When you refer to an isolaged blogger on ZDnet, you fail to mention that the author's career has been publishing books on MS Windows and Office (more than 25 in all).  You attempt to make a point by finding a singular blog from an openly biased author.  If you read his blog, you would have seen that he also mixed information about free versus business services and ignored the dozens of changes to the Gmail UI and services made over the base few years -- all based on user feedback.

And, you seem to have overlooked the outage problems that have plaqued Outlook.com since its launch.

Yes, Microsoft is wooing Gmail users because they need to, desparately.  Outlook.com has been plagued by outages.  With competition from Apple and Google, Microsoft's share of the K-12 and higher ed markets is plummeting.  

Meg Whitman, CEO of HP (Microsoft's largest OEM/Partner) noted the following in a Q&A session at CRN's Best of Breed Conference in October: " If you look at the shift in the share of operating systems over the last couple of years, the share shift has been dramatic, from almost a 100 percent Windows operating system [share] to probably 60 percent share of market for Windows. Android has come on very strong and Chrome is starting to get real traction. So our world has changed."

Microsoft is desparate.  Microsoft's Scroogled campaign is designed to confuse consumers and small businesses owners by misleading them about their competitors offerings and by creating fear about actions that Microsoft quietly does as well.  And, if you've tried to figure out the most affordable Microsoft's licensing solution for your business, you know that Microsoft is good at confusion.
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12/14/2013 | 1:26:42 PM
Re: Really?
So the fact that the government's spying on us gives Google a pass?

 

That's what happens if you don't call out Google (and actually stop using them as far as you can).  Anything less is caving.
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