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Why Carriers Won't Win War On Netflix
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LesH453
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2/6/2014 | 2:21:30 PM
net neutrality carriers will win.
i think you have missed the point compleatly.. its not bandwidth... its fees...

the carriers can and you can bet will double dip.. they will charge the content providers and the comsumers a fee for better bandwidth and in some cases even which content they will deliever.  

they already have the patents and the means to do it.. and have for several years.. the internet will become only a place for those that can afford it.. 

like sat tv and cable you ll get to pick a package. and i am sure you ll love paying for the channel that gives you a wall so you can watch paint dry.. 

the fcc should make all carriers common carriers.. and let the state puc's regulate them.  pots is almost gone and then when wire lines are totally gone they will charge and provide what ever they want for what ever they want.

look at NJ.. some of those hit hardest by the storms will not have any wire lines replaced.  its already a done deal in one of them. 

 

 
monglobonglo
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monglobonglo,
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2/6/2014 | 3:07:54 PM
Collusion or Conglomeration? ISPs are regional monopolies. Get the Fiber Rollout on track
"unless there's massive collusion among backbone providers"

 

you mean like the type of collusion that occurs when Time Warner buys AOL?  or when Comcast buys Time Warner?

 

its the trajectory that pushes the industry towards the type of monopolistic practices of the telecom giant era.  What happens when the other ISPs have to follow suite to compete?

 

and while there is competition amongst ISPs at the national level, there is limited or zero competition at the regional level, especially when you consider different levels of service.

 

residential customers are, effectively, at the whim of a regional monopoly..... you live in city A?  then your ISP == Cox.  You live in city B?  then your ISP == Comcast.

while alternatives - such as myriad small dialup/DSL providers that utilize the preexisting copper telephone infrastructure, satellite/phone (down/up), and cellular broadband - exist for residential customers, they don't compete with the regional ISP's level of service.

small dialup/DSL providers cant compete with the services offered through coaxial copper (Cable) or fiber to the curb from an ISP like Comcast or Verizon.  Satellite requires a massive investment in infrastructure (the dish, the dish's "modem," and a dialup modem for upstream).  Cellular broadband requires an investment in infrastructure (your smartphone or modem) and the usage costs are enormous.

 

BTW:  the real solution is to get the ISPs in gear and to roll out fiber for real.  not the miniscule roll out to a select few regions.  Roll it out everywhere.

Fiber infrastructure throughout the US will effectively eliminate the need for congestion related throttling because the overall network bandwidth will increase by at least two orders of magnitude.

it wont become an issue again until people have 8k or 12k 3D streams and holographic video games.
Lorna Garey
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2/6/2014 | 4:59:34 PM
Reaping what they've sown
Just the fact that so many smart, technically knowledgeable people are MORE than ready to believe Verizon is throttling Netflix (and it could as easily have been Cox or Comcast as Verizon) is pretty telling in itself.

As another commenter pointed out, when one is a monopoly, one acts as a monopoly. Carriers' customer attitudes range from "meh" to outright hatred. When's the last time anyone raved about their cable service? All it will take is a few cases where the smoking gun is real and the mainstream media explains the issue in a way the masses get, and I predict the cries for blood will get deafening.
jfeldman
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2/6/2014 | 5:18:28 PM
Re: Reaping what they've sown
Unbundling... you know you want it. :-D
Lorna Garey
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2/6/2014 | 5:20:18 PM
Re: Reaping what they've sown
Oh, I absolutely do!
Charlie Babcock
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2/6/2014 | 9:12:30 PM
Net neutrality may not be free
I read the Washington Post story about David Raphael yesterday and didn't automatically conclude Verizon was slowing AWS traffic. But the finger of suspicion pointed in that direction, once the Verizon service rep said it was. Let's keep testing, as Raphael did, for the possible reality of such an action, just in case. The price of freedom (or in this case, net neutrality) is vigilance.
jfeldman
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2/7/2014 | 8:18:30 AM
Broadband test data via FCC
In case you're looking for actual data (not hyperbole, not conjecture, but data) about real broadband speeds, you can find it here, at the FCC's "Measuring Broadband America" report.  (This uses SamKnows technology that I refer to above).  Enjoy--  http://www.fcc.gov/measuring-broadband-america
Whoopty
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2/7/2014 | 9:58:49 AM
Dinosaurs
Services like Netflix are revolutionising the entertainment industry and ISPs would be far smarter to get onboard with it and help push it forward, rather than trying to limit it simply because it uses a lot of bandwidth. 
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2/7/2014 | 12:46:26 PM
Greed Trumps All
The mortgage meltdown wasn't because our country suddenly spawned thousands and thousands of corrupt and greedy people, it was because the tempation was too great.

The tempation is far too great for ISPs to not throttle. Franlky, I find it almost ludicrouse that people would think that ISPs won't start acting in a way that they see as 'monetizing their existing investment'. Maybe not this morning, maybe not even next week. But very soon, if not already, we will absolutely see the major ISPs dipping their toes in the water. Too much temption not to.
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2/7/2014 | 12:49:59 PM
I hope carriers win
How irrational to root for Netflix over the carriers. It demonstrates the ignorance of basic business principles. If you want more and faster internet you need building the internet to show a profit. If the internet is a pipe then Netflix gets to dump as much water into that pipe without any charge. You will never get massive building of bigger pipes with that model. Just like rent control stymies construction and leads to shortages of housing and dilapted housing that does exist. 

The author displays a stunning ignorance. 
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