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SachinEE
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SachinEE,
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2/20/2014 | 6:06:12 AM
Re: Google's Android Contract: Not Very Open
Apple has been more restrictive than Google in this regard. But yes I agree that Apple is doing it openly without claiming to be open. Google may be found culprit of overstating or over boasting about its openness but then as @DDURBIN1 said that it is more of a marketing tactic than a reality. Google doesn't mean it J
SachinEE
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SachinEE,
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2/20/2014 | 5:20:50 AM
Re: Google's Android Contract: Not Very Open
I don't understand what exactly is so troubling with attaching a few products of your own with your platform which is free. Or maybe I am not very conversant with anti-competitive laws. I would have been more concerned if Google had not allowed the replacement of its built-in apps in Android by other apps. You may change the default app for any function.

 
jries921
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jries921,
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2/14/2014 | 5:20:51 PM
Re: Android is a lease not a purchase
Agreed on Kindle.  That's why I won't own one, or download DRM-encumbered ebooks.

It turns out that a lot of good literature has been produced in the last 3000 years and nearly all of it is public domain.  I can always buy a paper copy of books still under copyright.

 

 
ShanKarthic
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ShanKarthic,
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2/14/2014 | 5:07:28 PM
Re: Not understanding what this has to do with Android being open
Edelman, who acknowledges having served as a consultant for Google competitors like Microsoft, 

 

Actually, now I understand.
jries921
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jries921,
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2/14/2014 | 5:04:12 PM
Re: I see I'm not the only one who suspects illegality
I'll retract my comment, then.  Serves me right for assuming instead of doing the proper research.

 
ShanKarthic
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ShanKarthic,
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2/14/2014 | 5:02:28 PM
Not understanding what this has to do with Android being open
"In order to obtain key mobile apps, including Google's own Search, Maps, and YouTube, manufacturers must agree to install all the apps Google specifies, with the prominence Google requires, including setting these apps as default where Google instructs," -

What has this to do with Android OS being open or not?  Android OS is open and free (AOSP) for anyone to deploy however they want.  If someone wants to add an app that is not part of the open Android OS such as YouTube, why can't Google demand a package deal?  Issue will be if they make it such that for the open Android OS to work you need a specific Google service and to use that specific service Google in turn demands the above package deal.  Considering what I had to do every time I flash AOSP or derived ROMs, that does not seem to be the case.  So basically, the way I see it, anyone is free to use Android OS with whichever apps they want but if they want to use Google Apps, Google demands something.  In that case, OS Market share (80% or 97%) does not matter.

Now, considering Google Apps only, sure Google is leveraging Search App to push other Apps.  But their search market share is less than 70% and is not a monopoly.

"... from installing just (say) YouTube, but not Google Maps, if the manufacturer so chooses?" Edelman said in an email. "Or from installing Google Play and Google Maps, but DuckDuckGo for search?"  

As long as Google is not having a monopoly in any of those App domains and does not make it impossible to use alternatives in open Android OS, there is no standing to demand that.  If anyone decides to pre-package a Google App, that is more as a selling a point rather than a mandatory need.  In which case, Google can do as it wishes.

What community should be worried about and keep an eye on is, if Google makes it impossible to use Android OS without specific Google Apps/Services.
Thomas Claburn
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2/14/2014 | 5:01:52 PM
Re: I see I'm not the only one who suspects illegality
>But as neither I nor Prof. Edelman are lawyers

Actually, Edelman is a lawyer (and something of an overachiever, degree-wise):

From his bio...

"Ben holds a Ph.D. from the Department of Economics at Harvard University, a J.D. from the Harvard Law School, an A.M. in Statistics from the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, and an A.B. in Economics from Harvard College (summa cum laude). He is a member of the Massachusetts Bar. "
DDURBIN1
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2/14/2014 | 4:53:13 PM
Re: Android is a lease not a purchase
I guess you've never used a Kindle.  Guess what?  Same software and usage rules are now being applied to digital books.
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2/14/2014 | 4:44:04 PM
Re: Android is a lease not a purchase
Interesting point, but usage of copyrighted materials is a bit murky from both legal and ethical perspectives.  No publisher in the world tries to dictate to consumers what is to be done with the paper books they buy.  By law, copies cannot be distributed without the consent of the copyright holder, but nobody tries to tell people they can't read the books aloud, discuss their contents, resell them, satirize them, or donate them to the public library.  Yet all manner of restrictions are imposed on the usage of computer software on the theory that the license is a contract between the publisher and the end user, even though the latter only has the option of accepting or rejecting the "agreement" in full.

 
jries921
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jries921,
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2/14/2014 | 4:36:29 PM
Re: Semantics
People are allowed to comment on the practices of one vendor without commenting on all of them.  Some of MS' and Apple's practices may well be similar and illegal.  If you want to do the appropriate analyses and let people know your findings, you're more than welcome to do so.  MS definitely got into legal trouble over its efforts to dictate to OEMs what to do with Windows.  Under existing precedent, Google's announced policy is at least suspect.

And it's always possible that Prof. Edelman *has* done such analyses which are not being reported here.

 
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