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Windows XP Shutdown: 10 Facts To Know
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BBonham
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2/19/2014 | 9:39:57 AM
Win XP is fine, just do it yourself
I ahve never used Windows Update ... This article is full of ridiculous scare tactics. I don't use update on my WIN 8 rigs as well. THe update service just clags up your OS, especially when you play around with drivers.

for XP I use three great programs:

1) Security Task Manager (non XP process evaluation package - includes "ratings" and great descriptions of the process

2) FILESECLAB Firewall (the XP firewall is enabled as well) when set-up properly GIBSON RESEARCH give the security a complete 100% passing grade - better than what you get with WIN 8.1's firewall

3) AVG ANtivirus free

I have let hacker friends try and get into my network through my XP machines, using email attachments, ping attacjks, and all the other specious modes - Never had a chance 100% protection.

It depends on YOU the user to do it right, I would never trust my system security to the MS softheads.

 
ANON1250942999905
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ANON1250942999905,
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2/19/2014 | 9:57:39 AM
Re: Win XP is fine, just do it yourself
I have uninstalled AVG, installed another anitvirus and it found problems AVG missed.

I then reinstalled AVG.
anon7169692108
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2/19/2014 | 10:51:34 AM
Re: Win XP is fine, just do it yourself
Not updating is exposing you to security holes that haven't been patched yet. These vulnerabilities can allow someone to easily gain access to your data. Anti-viruses are somewhat worthless because they don't catch zero day viruses; only known viruses. Heuristics engines don't work well. Process management isn't worth the time on XP, either, because DLL thread injection is easy as pie on XP. Programs can run completely hidden within the address space of another running process that you think is perfectly fine. If I were you, I'd be reformatting every few days to be safe.

A good hacker is going to one-off a "virus" just for you; something that won't be picked up by any virus scanners. Heuristics anylizer detection can be avoided. Real hackers are more interested in stealing data than damaging your data. They want financial information, personal information, etc. so a keylogger or system watchdog would be typical. You're a prime target. It's like being in a fortress but leaving the front door open.

It's not hard to get into your system if you're connected to the internet. A hacker can connect to your IP and start polling different ports searching for possible vulnerabilities. Unpatched exploits are your open door.
BBonham
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BBonham,
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2/19/2014 | 11:11:26 AM
Re: Win XP is fine, just do it yourself
Meh ... I can tell the MS softheads have brainwashed you. Just use a "real" firewall (the one in WIN 8 is VERY good - pain, but still VERY VERY GOOD) where NOTHING gets out of your machine unless YOU allow it from your hardware keyboard (most people only protect on the INFLOW, when the MOST IMPORTANT FIREWALLL PROTECTION IS ALWAYS ON THE OUTBOUND side of things. Unless a hacker is USING YOUR KEYBOARD (Note Security Task Manager is set up to prevent key logging, and non-hardware keyboard input) they cannot install ANY software that accesses the Internet remotely, or thru Malware. Just get into the hacking community and get the facts. 

MS softheads know this, they just don't want YOU to know it.
anon7169692108
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2/19/2014 | 11:46:08 AM
Re: Win XP is fine, just do it yourself
Most people who use XP are those who feel that software isn't worth paying for. These are sometimes the same people who download torrents. If you got your firewall or other security program from a torrent you're probably already infected. They don't give out those programs from the goodness of their heart. They're fishing for victims.
BBonham
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BBonham,
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2/19/2014 | 12:39:35 PM
Re: Win XP is fine, just do it yourself
Erm .. not true. The company I pow-wow with never use torrented software for security purposes. Buy or get legitimate software for these purposes. Again, it is clear that the "scardy-cats" don't understand how to configure a firewall, and keyboard drivers (with the proper software) to make it impossible for anything to get out. Here is a good example, I used a hacked version of HL2 to see if I liked it, the installation revelaed attempts to set up Trojan Malware (which AVG and the WIN XP taskmanager did not pickup - they were hidden from them) Security Task Manager - which runs using different process detection dll's picked them up straight away. Laughing at the idiotic attempt to hijack my machine, I had already set up the OUTBOUND rules for the game to black all network access, and then used unlocker to dump the offending dll's. THis was easy becuase the Administrator priveledges were set properly (using only the physical keyboard for such things) What most people don't do is set Administrator priveldges correctly in XP. (These are handled much better in WIN 8 - just like the Firewall - just a pain that's all). When set-up correctly NO-ONE EXCEPT SOMEONE SITTING AT YOUR KEYBOARD can install "hidden" processes - even if they try from a USB connection. And even if you are lazy, and sloppy, the OUTBOUND Firewall rules will stop a trojan - even 20 years from now - from doing nasty stuff. 

If you don't know what you are doing, you may get burned, but sheeesh ... it's not rocket science.
TerryB
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2/19/2014 | 1:34:16 PM
Re: Win XP is fine, just do it yourself
@BBonham  Dude, you obviously know your stuff personally but get real here. You expect non IT people, who for most part I'm happy with if they can remember their passwords, to even understand what a firewall, or even a port for that matter, is? Not going to happen.

Outbound firewall may prevent exporting data from certain trojans but doesn't change fact their system is infected and not performing well. What if they get that malware from email or website that locks their system unless they pay "ransom" to free it up? Firewall is not any defense against that.

Even full system reload is something these people have to pay for and costs them all the pictures of their grandkids. I'm not sure what audience you are pitching your solution to?
Brian.Dean
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2/19/2014 | 2:51:40 PM
Re: Win XP is fine, just do it yourself
Agreed, and even in IT circles there are different types of specializations, if someone is not from a security background then their security could be weak. Specialization makes it cheaper for letting someone else handle their security without investing the time needed to gain a high level of security standard.

Consumers like things to be easy, that's one of the reasons why Smartphone and tablets are so popular, no need to worry about the hardware or setup.

If a machine is only used for multimedia and gaming (no data should be on that machine) then XP could be used for a few more years. Eventually, 4k video or video games will need newer GPUs and the drivers for them will not be supported by XP.
anon7169692108
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anon7169692108,
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2/19/2014 | 1:42:02 PM
Re: Win XP is fine, just do it yourself
A firewall, especially the Windows firewall, isn't going to protect you, and like I said before, just because your antivirus detected some trojans or whatever doesn't mean there weren't twice as many viruses that WEREN'T detected because they were unknown. Good viruses are quiet. They can use other programs that are non-threatening to export the data over the internet. They don't need to open their own ports.
kallinghamk2l
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2/19/2014 | 2:22:11 PM
Re: Win XP is fine, just do it yourself
Most people running XP are doing so on older computers. Generally, they can't be upgraded (except maybe to a Linux OS- but they don't know anything about that). So for most of these people, upgrading means buying a new computer, buying MS Office all over again, and reinstalling all the apps that they like. The new machine and MS Office alone means maybe $2000. And the computer they have now is good enough for what they do. Telling them that they better upgrade, or else, is like talking to a brick wall. Might as well tell them to buy a new car to improve gas milage, buy a tin roof in case it hails, or replace their old air conditioner before it stops working. No amount of explaining is going to change their minds.
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ANON1250942999905,
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2/19/2014 | 9:54:30 AM
Bye Bye Windows!
The first Smart Phone was from IBM back in 1993!

Way before Win-XP.

In the end, I'll leave Windows rather that deal with that junk some idiot approved as Win 8!
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2/19/2014 | 10:11:35 AM
Only Important fact to consider
"Take the Windows 7 upgrade path"

 

Best fact to know. Win8 just is not worth it. Win7 provides a useable and effective breather, giving you time to maintain productivity until MS gets their head out of their rears and puts out another decent OS.
Whoopty
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2/19/2014 | 10:31:06 AM
Re: Only Important fact to consider
That's probably the same advice I'd give anyone waiting to upgrade, though admittedly my time with Windows 8 has been limited. 
bttlk
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2/19/2014 | 1:56:44 PM
Re: Only Important fact to consider
Do not blindly accept the advice to use Windows 7 instead of Windows 8.1.  I would definately receommend 8,1 as your best choice to replace XP.  It is faster in normal operations, shutdown and boot up, more secure, and will have the longest support from Microsoft.  Also, migration to the next OS (8.2 or 9---whatever it may be called) will be more seamless than from Windows 7.  There are two $5 add-ons that will make your desktop and OS operations look like 7 or XP if the tiles throw you off in the initial learning curve.  It is very easy to use 8.1 with or without these add-ons with minimal self training.  Make the upgrade with an open mind instead of being negative, and you will be a happy convert.  Our shop is a veteran of over 40 installations from XP, and users adapted quickly with minimal support or questions.
MarNov
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2/19/2014 | 11:51:21 AM
why change a good horse
I completely agree with BBonham and similarly I never used any Ms updates for Windows XP, just Service Packs. Instead of updates I used to modify security settings substantially, disabled all unnecessary services and blocked internet access for Internet explorer. Firefox, extra configured to my requirements with excellent Ad-on Noscript serves perfectly instead of ie. For potentially risky Internet browsing Firefox is occasionally sandboxed.

I am not using any AV protection too, as it became extremely annoying with excessive automated activities, without my consent. I simply don't trust them, as they can collect too many data and parameters and system is blatantly open for their servers. Instead, I rely on strong in/out firewall which warns about any new unauthorized activity. At last and absolutely essential for security - never work in Windows as an Administrator!

Needles to say, my system never get infected, in spite of periodic checks with Malwarebytes, Spybot and manual inspection. Windows XP are/were great OS. I believe that M$ programmers are all but idiots, unfortunately with greedy shareholders breathing down their necks they can only follow the "wishes" from above.  

Windows 7/8 could be OK OS's if almighty M$ in its "holly wisdom" wouldn't remove some "trivia's" that made XP more handy. Luckily Windows 7/8 remained customizable, but it takes much more time and efforts to clean out (decrapify) default "Improved Trojanic" M$ settings.  

M$'s stubborn "innovative" messing with "grate new concepts" somehow remains in contrast with old good proverb - "never change a winning horse". Instead on "horses" M$ relies more on his "jockeys", "convincing" HW manufactures to "forget" winXP driver support for new machines. Shoveling tactic down customer's throats irresistibly opens "free opportunities" for new OS's.
Charlie Babcock
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2/19/2014 | 5:37:16 PM
When operating systems die, is it from natural causes?
All operating systems must die sometime, true, but this is a man-made event, not natural causes. I'm not sure it's responsible of Microsoft to end support for an operating system that's used by nearly a third of its Windows customer base. Microsoft can say it's for the customer's own good, but I'm not so sure. A company desperate to move more Windows 8 might be doing so for its own good. Its the security exposure for continued users of XP that's so sensitve here.
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2/19/2014 | 9:10:11 PM
Garbage In, Garbage Out
The fact that practically everything computerized from ATMs to POS runs on the XP platform, it is absolutely mind blowing to me that there isn't more blowback resulting from the obvious ploy by MS to pump up sales of its crappy Win8.x system by shutting down XP permanently.  It is my fondest wish that MS shoots itself in the foot and causes migration en masse to Linux. 
anon2315407751
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2/20/2014 | 4:08:32 PM
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out
If XP still represents over 30% of Microsoft customer base it is likely the largest share and or the best selling system they ever had.  Why would anyone discontinue the best selling product they ever had? 

If the numb nuts in Redmond thought about this at all they would re-release XP instead of discontinuing it. 

I will probably pick up a little Google machine to surf with but continue to use my lumbering XP desktop to run my business and everything else.

 
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2/20/2014 | 1:24:14 PM
Migrating away from XP
I know a lot of folks who are working on leaving the XP system, almost everyone i know is going Windows 7, Mac, or Linux.   No one wants windows 8 or 8.1, its another vista.
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2/20/2014 | 10:51:50 PM
Re: Migrating away from XP
For the average user like me, it really isn't that much of a problem. For under $250,I was able to pick up a basic, refurbished machine with Windows 7 and an extended warranty - and that was a few months ago. The problem is going to be all those machines and systems of every type that are based on XP computers buried in so deeply that their proprietors aren't even aware of the issue. Make sure you have a month's supply of any prescription medicines you need and plenty of cash on hand by the second week in April. It's going to be a bumpy ride, just like Y2K would have been if they hadn't prepared for it - and nobody is prepared for this.
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2/25/2014 | 8:42:23 AM
Changing with the times
We live in a throwaway society, a society driven by the monetary system.  Innovation and technology is not about building the best possible product, but building something slightly better than the last, in order to justify making more money.  That's now, how the world turns.  Microsoft could spend more time building their operating system and make it to near perfection, but would rather dribble out slightly improved versions. 

Windows XP is Microsoft's first real stable workhorse, not without its problems.  It was sort of the Model A for Microsoft.   At the time, it was great, and did what it was supposed to do.  Without bad people trying to constantly steal, or destroy information, we would not have to think about unplugging it from the Web. But because of the "Bad" in the world, it is time to move forward.

What is disconcerting to me is that Windows 8 as new as it is, already has many, many updates.  This takes away my confidence that Microsoft did the job right the first time.  It is really sloppy to have to mop up, back pedal, and "Update" after you release your great new prized operating system.  Not a good example to follow.  Soon, Microsoft will realize, there are more games in town, and they better get with it.  

 
proberts551
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2/25/2014 | 8:46:55 AM
Re: Migrating away from XP
For a home computer, Linux will be my next Purchase.  And the good part is, that I will not have to buy a new PC to run it, and it will be very cost effective.  Linux has all the supporting applications I use.
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2/27/2014 | 8:51:59 PM
Strike a Balance
Windows 7 was good, but I think it is possible to strike a balance with Windows 8.  I have a few XP machines, but my newer non-touch machines are all using 8 – just minus Metro.  I have been pleased with the speed and compatibility.


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