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Foreigners Don't Take IT Jobs, They Create Them
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FreeMarketeer
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11/10/2011 | 6:46:32 PM
re: Foreigners Don't Take IT Jobs, They Create Them
40% of fortune 500 company have been founded by immigrants or their children is a verifiable FACT. Google it and check fortune 500 founders, you will see quickly that it is true.

"Democrats recently released a report that Republicans are wrong about everything" or the opposite would be equally easy....TO REFUTE since anybody can find something either democrats or republicans have messed up, especially lately.

I am a scientist and since "taking an american job", the inventions I created have led to the creation of multiple positions, including two scientists positions. Let alone I pay healthy taxes, bought a house etc... You can prevent immigration all you want this will not solve the economic problems. Wealthy countries will low immigration rate suffer the same economic problems right now. Plus despite toughest immigration limits to date (for example reduction of H1-b visa from 200,000 down to 60,000 in 2004, same thing with other visas), you still are in deep economic crisis. Plus it is not like there was a spike in immigration before the economic collapse but yet people insist on blaming immigrants as #1 reason for high unemployment

The only thing that will solve it is to promote innovation and new technology leading to job that won't be exportable.
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11/10/2011 | 6:02:05 PM
re: Foreigners Don't Take IT Jobs, They Create Them
"More recently, a 2011 report from the Partnership for a New American Economy finds that more than 40% of the current Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children. "

That's like saying "Republicans recently released a report denouncing Democrats as Socialists" or "Democrats recently released a report that Republicans are wrong about everything".

This is an immigration advocacy group representing business interests. One of their stated goals: Create a streamlined process by which employers can get the seasonal and permanent employees they need, when Americans aren't filling vacant jobs;

Yes, they want to continue temporary corporate sponsored immigration programs where they have total control of the worker. Wouldn't you expect a group with that as a stated goal to release "research" supporting their goals? You don't actually expect them to do unbiased, independent research do you?
phenry017
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11/10/2011 | 5:46:24 PM
re: Foreigners Don't Take IT Jobs, They Create Them
When did we stop letting immigrants in? How many of the people you mentioned came here on an h-1b visa? You are deliberately mixing the immigration debate with the h-1b visa debate in order to cherry pick immigrants and have the readers believe they came here on visas. In other words, if we ended the h-1b visa tomorrow, every single person you mentioned would still have come to this country.
rlawson346
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11/10/2011 | 5:43:11 PM
re: Foreigners Don't Take IT Jobs, They Create Them
I'm married to an immigrant. My step-mom is an immigrant. Fully support immigration when done responsibly and with respect towards everyone else already here.

The motivation for immigration is what needs to change. Corporate motives have nothing to do with creating entrepreneurs like Andy Grove. They are almost entirely about lowering the cost of labor.

We need to be building strong families and a citizenry supportive of our American values, not temporary labor pools. The corporate sponsorship requirements amounts to indentured servitude and is a key reason why the majority of workers on corporate sponsored visas earn less than market wages. This puts downward pressure on American wages and working conditions. Unfortunately it also breeds resentment.

In short, immigration should be an agreement between our nation and the immigrant, without corporate middle-men. Let's set criteria that is considerate of the immigrant's talents, support of our nation, and that is also considerate of economic circumstance of the time (more restrictive during poor economic times, less restrictive during periods of economic growth).

We need to focus on permanent immigration in sustainable numbers, not a revolving door of temporary workers who will take their talents home and become tomorrow's competition.

To your points:

"Tibco founder Vivek Ranadive came to the States from India at age 17 to study at MIT."
"Google's Sergey Brin came to the U.S. from Russia when he was 6 as well."
" Andy Grove came to the U.S. from Hungary when he was 20 years old"

None of them were on guest worker visa programs. They came as young children or as college students. I'm certain that Sergey Brin would identify more with the United States than with Russia. Same goes for Andy Grove. These men would not be able to start their own companies on the H-1b visa, and instead would require corporate sponsorship.

So to answer your question "So what's the right age to consider lettingt immigrants into this country? 4, 7, 13, 21, 72?"

I would say we should welcome families and oppose our current guest worker programs that are not family friendly. In my view when it comes to children the younger the better. They will blend right in with our culture. Strong families become strong citizens. Guest workers aren't investing in the United States. They are using our immigration programs as a stepping stone to something better - in their own country.

My step-brother is Korean (now an American citizen). He came when he was 12, and I was his big brother. He since went to college, joined ROTC, and went to medical school. He is now an Army doctor, he's been to Iraq twice, and is helping our wounded soldiers recover from burns, amputations, and things you don't see on the news. He is the face of what immigration should be about and I couldn't be more proud of him. It wasn't about a temporary gig at at Infosys or some other body shop. It was about starting a new life with an extended family and making this country a home.

Motive matters. Cheap labor is not a good motive for immigration. Temporary shortages shouldn't be fixed through temporary immigration programs. Let the market sort it out, not labor subsidies from afar.
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11/10/2011 | 5:31:35 PM
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You are really drinking Microsoft and other tech companies Kookaid. So there maybe several dozen companies founder by foreigners, but tens of thousands of others let in every year (or more) to TAKE jobs away.

When we see that there are hundreds of thousands of computer professionals in this country that are out of work, and people are coming in on those visas, earning less, then something isn't right. When Microsoft, who makes tens of billions every year in profit, complains that Americans earn too much, and so they need these cheaper people, it's a stunning example of greed.

I suppose you really don't keep up on any of this.
RobPreston
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11/10/2011 | 5:07:13 PM
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So what's the right age to consider lettingt immigrants into this country? 4, 7, 13, 21, 72? The point is that if we seal off our borders from immigrants, particularly highly educated immigrants and their families, we're depressing our ability to start businesses, innovate, and ultimately create jobs, as immigrants and their offspring have been particularly adept at starting and building businesses in this country. There's no single profile. Intel co-founder Andy Grove came to the U.S. from Hungary when he was 20 years oldGă÷he finished his education here. Oracle co-founder Bob Miner was the son of Assyrian immigrants. Ebay was founded by French-born Iranian-American Pierre Omidyar, who moved to this country when he was 6 years old. Google's Sergey Brin came to the U.S. from Russia when he was 6 as well. Tibco founder Vivek Ranadive came to the States from India at age 17 to study at MIT.
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11/10/2011 | 2:11:59 PM
re: Foreigners Don't Take IT Jobs, They Create Them
"A research team led by Vivek Wadhwa of Duke University, building on studies conducted in the 1990s by AnnaLee Saxenian of the University of California at Berkeley, determined that in a quarter of the U.S. science and tech companies founded between 1995 and 2005, the chief executive or lead technologist was foreign-born. Wadhwa's research estimates that those immigrant-founded "

Rob, you should look closer at the experience of Vivek Wadhwa. He has overstated his qualifications, he isn't a true researcher - at least in the academic sense. He doesn't have a Ph.D. There is nothing wrong with being an adjunct professor, but he isn't some big-shot at Duke.

Simply put, each of his "studies" have a predetermined result and would not pass peer review. Agree or not with his politics, the bottom line is that he isn't doing PhD level research.

He claims to be "Director of Research at the Center for Entrepreneurship and Research Commercialization". I'm not saying he isn't, but if you visit the website he isn't listed as a director (in fact, he isn't listed at all on the faculty page). The CERC content is several years old. It isn't what I would expect for an organization that is actively involved in research.

If Wadhwa is a director at Duke, that's a first for someone without a PhD. And they need to update their website. Some articles indicate Wadhwa is "the" director of research at Duke. That is clearly not the case.

Wadhwa has a knack for making mediocre achievements seem grandiose. Look closer at his business past. There are quite a few articles back when he was a CEO that make him appear quite foolish. Journalists at the time talk about how he uses hype, even when at odds with the facts.

This isn't the guy you want to be citing Rob to support your point of view. Not while ignoring research from people who actually know how to conduct it, who have a PhD, and who spend more time in the class room or doing research than on TV playing a professor.

Wadhwa has duped enough people.
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11/10/2011 | 2:04:36 PM
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The whole scam will fall down soon enough and American IT workers like myself won't easily forget the traitors:
http://economictimes.indiatime...

PS. Notice how one has to go to the Indian press for coverage on this? DO YOUR JOB, INFORMATIONWEEK.
phenry017
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11/10/2011 | 2:01:38 PM
re: Foreigners Don't Take IT Jobs, They Create Them
Again with the "immigrant founders" lie. How many of these "immigrant founders" came to the US on an h-1b visa as opposed to coming here when they were 7 years old? STOP THE LIES AND DISTORTIONS. Why are wages declining in these fields if there is a shortage of workers? You are simply one more cheap labor shill selling out fellow Americans for the benefit of advertisers. Since you don't even work in technology (at least the "hands-on" part of it), I'm not sure why anyone should listen to your opinion.
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