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Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons

Apple's new iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c make a lot of advances, but they also left a lot of technology out.

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The Apple iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c are exactly what everyone expected to see from Apple at its press event Tuesday. The 5s is a significantly upgraded version of the iPhone 5, while the 5c is a lower-cost model meant to round out Apple's product range. Both include 4-inch Retina displays and improved cameras.

The 5s is the first device to ship from Apple with the company's A7 64-bit processor. It will be sold in three colors (silver, slate and gold), and includes a fingerprint scanner for security. The iPhone 5c is the first iPhone to use plastic in its design since the 3GS, and it comes in five colors (white, pink, blue, green and yellow). Storage options for both range from 16 GB to 64 GB, and pricing ranges from $99 for the cheapest iPhone 5c to $399 for the most expensive iPhone 5s (with a new, two-year contract, of course).

Despite the advancements offered by both devices, Apple continues to leave today's bleeding-edge technology out of the iPhone. Here are a few things missing that are offered by competing products.

--NFC: Near-field communications is a short-range radio technology that has a number of uses. For example, it can be used to automatically pair to Bluetooth devices, or to make mobile tap-and-go payments. Most of today's leading smartphones, such as the Samsung Galaxy Note 3, HTC One and LG G2, include NFC. Without it, Apple's iPhones will be unable to participate in mobile payment systems. Why Apple has shied away from this standardized technology is a mystery.

[ Learn more about the new iPhones. Read Apple Unveils iPhone 5s, 5c. ]

-- Wireless Charging: Apple continues to ignore wireless charging technology. With it, smartphone owners can place their device on a (plugged-in) charging pad. The pad then uses magnetic induction to pass a charge to the smartphone's battery. It is possible that Apple will leave this alone until it is fully standardized. Right now, three industry groups are groping for supremacy. That said, other smartphone makers, including Samsung, LG and Nokia, are including wireless charging in their devices.

-- HD Screen: Never mind how small the puny 4-inch diagonal display is on the iPhone 5s and 5c, neither screen has the ability to play full HD content. Almost all the new flagship devices announced this year, such as the One, GS4 and G2, have screens with 1920 x 1080 pixels. That makes them able to play the same high-definition content you watch on your television. Apple's iPhones stick to a non-standard 1136 x 640 pixel resolution that is incompatible with even 720p HD content, let alone 1080p.

-- Customization: As with all prior iPhones, there is no way to get inside the iPhone 5s or 5c. That means no support for additional storage in the form of microSD cards, nor a user-replaceable battery. Apple will likely never offer an iPhone with these options. If you like being able to keep a spare battery or extra memory card around, the iPhone is not for you.

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goman
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goman,
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9/10/2013 | 9:19:59 PM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
One thought comes to mind. . . marginal.
Nice improvement on the fingerprint recognition. Get me excited? Ain't happenin'
Aroper-VEC
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Aroper-VEC,
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9/10/2013 | 9:35:50 PM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
I think that what most people need to realize is, if Apple did what everyone else was doing then they wouldn't be Apple.
No NFC? When was the last time you saw anyone use it? Aside from the occasional 7-11, where is this available for mobile payments? Why sacrifice internal space for a hardly used technology?
No micro-SD? Again, if you have THAT much data you should probably comb through it and get rid of the junk. Apple's Match service eliminates the need to store all your music on a device. And, once you've watched a movie, how many times are you realistically going to watch it again. Clean up your data! Also, this slot would consume valuable space for other components.
No gigantic screen? Personally, I wouldn't want a phone with a screen larger than 4.5". I want it to be slim and easily fit in my pocket and not feel like I'm holding a brick to my head to have a conversation - nor should I have to use a BT headset just so that I can avoid the "brick-against-the-head" feeling. I have an iPad 3rd generation. I will watch my movies on its screen; since it is significantly larger than any smartphone. The experience will be more enjoyable and won't kill my vision in the process. Apple's intent with the overall size of the iPhone (lest we have forgotten already) was so that you could operate it with one hand. Who has gigantic hands where they can operate a 6" screen smartphone with one hand?
This is what Apple does. They make products that work, have a cohesive ecosystem, are simple to use, easy to carry, last a long time, and have a large collection of developed applications. They've also said it before (with respect to the iPhone and its size), it is the perfect size and we don't think we can make it any better - not smaller and not larger. So, what are they doing? Just making it better. Go Apple!
Thomas Claburn
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Thomas Claburn,
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9/11/2013 | 1:42:08 AM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
"Apple's Match service eliminates the need to store all your music on a device." Except that you have to pay to store songs not purchased through iTunes.
Aden11
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Aden11,
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9/11/2013 | 3:59:21 PM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
For iTunes match, you only pay one fix annual fee for all of your music, including music rip directly from CDs, MP3 etc. into your iTunes account. It is a brilliant service and I don't have to worry about buying pricey 64GB iPhone or iPad to access my library.
BigIron01
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BigIron01,
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9/23/2013 | 11:04:34 PM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
If you pay for iTunes match, you get iTunes Radio ad-free and you can download any song iTunes recognizes in 256 bps AAC DRM-free.

iTunes match does not require you to upload all your music, rather it attempts to identify your music, and only songs that aren't recognised go up to the cloud.

Anything it recognises simply gives you access to the same song in iTunes.
hohum
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hohum,
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9/21/2013 | 2:10:10 AM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
I think you need to realise too that NFC. unlike the stupid FP sensor

( yes a FP sensor old stupid tech- with nil return on investment)

NFC has the capacity to enable all business' to have a generic payment system

its range of communication ensures no remote hacking.

Apple are IT industry nazis - sorry but its the only fair analogy.

Right now they are busy trying to create silly sub-patents. to limit

its use by other manufacturers

and they dont even make a device with one in it!!!
( this is just one of many)
http://appleinsider.com/articl...

This has been around for years -I use it currently on a N9.
The whole intent is to sabotage thru litigation and other means
any cross platform support.
I swear if they made cars they would make a stupid patent for
rubber tires.
( this is not about their phone or its quality)
You want to support this?
Midnight
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Midnight,
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9/10/2013 | 11:23:19 PM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
Ouch, another real non-event product release that is falling further behind the competition. The product still exists primarily in a closed ecosystem under the mistaken belief that Apple define the technology requirements of the industry, rather than adapting to the larger evolving infrastructures. One of the clearest indicators of where the iphone success or failure is heading can be defined by how third party developers are given or denied the tools to build for a device. A little early for writing on the wall predictions, but definitely it is indications of management problems in the company. Now the ball is in Google and the Asian device maker's court.
Shane M. O'Neill
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Shane M. O'Neill,
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9/11/2013 | 2:37:47 PM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
I'm an Android man, but I like how Apple isn't trying to make the iPhone anything more than a great, portable smartphone. Even though I'm a fan of the 5-inch Android phones out there, the screens are bigger than they need to be for a phone. Leave the movie watching and book reading for tablets.

The fingerprint sensor and the new processors are the standouts here. Nothing earth-shattering but enough to raise some eyebrows.
melgross
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melgross,
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9/11/2013 | 4:16:22 PM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
This is a good reason why Apple is not using NFC, at least for now:

http://www.computerworld.com/s...

And we should remember, or for those of you who are not really familiar with what Apple is doing, that they have an app that allows us to buy something in their stores, scan it, and pay for it without going to a sales person, or a counter. We can then walk out of the store with our purchase, unless we want a bag. Then we can ask a sales person for one.

This uses WiFi, and works very well. No need for NFC, and it works anywhere in the store. You don't need to go to a counter, and don't need a sales person. Much better. Apple doesn't even have sensors at the store exits.

I don't get the thing about "wireless charging". You need to buy the "wireless" charger, which, of course is wired to an outlet. Then it takes up a lot more space than the small charger that can be plugged into the wall socket. And is it really so much easier to put it down on to the surface of the charger rather than to plug the cord in? Not really! It's also less efficient, so some power is lost.

HD screen, really? That marketing ploy Samsung and a couple of others are using? It's been established that ppi counts more than about 320 can't be seen by the naked eye. These so called hi def displays are not helping at all. And if you want to watch the video on a real, large display, the iPhone can do that at full hi def.

More and more phones don't have a battery compartment. Those that do, do so because they have poor battery life. The iPhone has always had some of the best battery life, so it isn't really much of a problem. And if you really need a long, extended battery time, you can get a case that will double that life for little more than a battery, and won't need to change one sometime inconvenient.

Memory cards are another question. They may be useful, but you need to be carefulwhen buying them. The cheap ones slowdown the phone, and the fast ones are expensive. If you forget one, you're screwed.
veggiedude
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9/11/2013 | 5:37:08 PM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
"Apple's iPhones stick to a non-standard 1136 x 640 pixel resolution that is incompatible with even 720p HD content, let alone 1080p."

I find this curious because it creates HD movies in 720p, at a frame rate of 120 - a big selling point of the new iPhone.

As far as Near-field communications (NFC) go, maybe Apple already has something else in place. The new fingerprint touch feature was touted as an easy way to instantly let you buy things through the iTunes store and it seems this will be Apple's foot in the door for all sales via the iPhone.
Michael Endler
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Michael Endler,
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9/13/2013 | 6:02:38 AM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
The files are still 720p if you move them to, say, a PC. As one of the other posters pointed out, Apple doesn't put HD screens on its iPhones because at this screen size, the extra pixels don't add anything to the image. The 120 fps option is very cool, though. Wish Apple had gone ahead with 60 fps at 1080p too.

I agree with the people who aren't that bothered by the NFC exception; like some others, I think Apple has its own plans, and it's not really missing out in the meantime.

I'm surprised people aren't more irked by Siri. I think both of the new iPhones look pretty terrific overall, but Apple has really failed to bring Siri along. For me, that's one of the bigger bummers. Apple got the mobile interaction model right, but perceptual computing technologies are going to be a big part of future interaction models. Apple seemed to have a head start here, but no longer.
TerrellB
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TerrellB,
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9/11/2013 | 7:15:33 PM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
So this is all Apple had to come up with? At Aroper-VEC when you purchased your first Iphone or Ipod it was what no one else was doing. So to make that comment makes no sense. Apple better find a innovator and quick.
Laurianne
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9/11/2013 | 7:19:41 PM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
As an iPhone and iPad mini user, I think the camera improvements are a huge pro. The appeal/utility of the 64-bit chip depends on how apps take advantage, and on that score, it's wait and see.
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WKash,
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9/12/2013 | 9:01:45 PM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
For those who are more interested in the Enterprise implications of Apple's announcement, you might enjoy this info-parady on "The Apple Event for the Enterprise that never happened"
http://www.slideshare.net/Moov...
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aditshar,
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9/13/2013 | 11:29:48 AM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
The interesting thing here is the M7 is
what Apple calls a "motion co-processor." i am not sure but its job is
to deal with data coming from sensors without activating the full power
of the A&, further it may help saving battery life and other one is
that they got an Arm v8 instruction set-based processor into production.
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BigIron01,
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9/23/2013 | 10:59:44 PM
re: Apple iPhone 5s, 5c: Pros And Cons
The A7 is 1.3 ghz.

You know, you talk about driving more pixels than you can see like it's a good thing - in reality, it uses battery and CPU cycles needlessly.

Better, drive about 300 pixels/inch and if you have something external connected, drive as high a resolution as possible to that device.
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