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iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs

Anyone who believes that specs make the smartphone hasn't been paying attention to what really matters.

You can count me among the many people who were disappointed with Tuesday's iPhone 4S reveal. Yes, I wanted the iPhone 4S--or iPhone 5--to have a larger screen and a refreshed design. I suppose 4G would have been great, too. But that didn't happen, and multitudes of iPhone fans felt let down.

Before the Apple press conference had ended, fanboyism began to run rampant across the Internet. You could hear the smug tone of superiority in the voices of those who prefer other platforms and devices, in Web forums, comment threads, and on Twitter.

What were most iPhone 4S bashers picking on? The specs and the "stolen" features (as if Android didn't "steal" plenty from the iPhone first).

[The underwhelming iPhone launch may be a good thing. Learn why: Got An iPhone Hangover?]

People picked on the iPhone 4S's small screen, same-old design, lack of WiMax and LTE, and gobs of other specs. Charts, graphs, and tablets sprang across the Web showing how all the specs line up between the iPhone 4S and the myriad other smartphones out there. The Galaxy S II has a bigger screen, the LG Optimus LTE has a bigger HD screen and LTE 4G, the Nokia N8's camera has a better f-stop rating than the iPhone 4S's, and on and on and on.

Gimme a break.

Comparing individual specs between smartphones is like opening up the hood of a Ford Mustang and the hood of a BMW M3 and pointing out why one is better than the other based on its innards. The Mustang's engine displacement alone doesn't make the Mustang better than the M3, any more than the M3's suspension alone doesn't make the M3 better than the Mustang. The point I am driving at is that smartphones are not just a collection of specs. They have to be judged as a whole, not by individual parts. A 1.5-GHz dual-core processor might be fast as hell, but if it is paired with a low-end camera chip, mid-range display, and clunky hardware, what exactly is better about it?

I've tested nearly every smartphone sold by the U.S. wireless network operators over the last 10 years. I can tell you definitively that even phones with the best specs in the world end up lacking something, somewhere.

The tens of millions of people who've bought iPhones didn't buy them for the specs, they bought them because the iPhone does what they need it to, or what they want it to. The same can be said for any platform or device. People buy BlackBerrys because they handle email the way they want it to; people buy Android phones because they like the flexibility and large hardware selection; people buy Windows Phone devices because they're risk-takers (wink, wink; nudge, nudge).

The bottom line here is that we can argue specs all day, but it isn't going to get us anywhere. Sure, plenty of phones have better specs than the iPhone 4S, just as the iPhone 4S outclasses the competition in other ways.

Don't buy a phone--any phone--just because it has decent specs. Buy a phone that does what you need it to, when you need it to, and does it well.

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Rhonindk
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10/6/2011 | 3:23:09 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Good article but it seems to miss a significant point.
Looking at the sum of the hardware, software and ecosystem is great in concept but seldom works for consumer procurement excepting those that have adopted a specific ecosystem and are willing to accept shortcomings in specific areas as long as they can still retain the whole.

As an example, my initial filtering requirements in this area are:
4G or LTE
4" or bigger screen
IOS, Android, WP7+, or RIM

Looking at these as the initial, the 4S does not make the cut on 2 of the 3 required items.
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10/6/2011 | 4:21:42 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Rhonin - You weren't listening. You dream phone could be 4G or LTE, but the phone or carrier could have reception issues and/or run slower than the raw spec you want. It could have a big screen, but it might not have the right touch sensitivity, brightness or maybe not be as sharp as others. Author Zeman has it right - whatever device a human uses is best when it delivers what the human wants or needs, in the way it serves him or her best. His car analogy is great - some folks would fit best with a Mustang, and others with the Bimmer. Both great "devices" and both preformance leaders in their fields, And it is not about engine displacement (processor) orr transmission (OS or motherboard). It is about the total experience that makes them winners to different people.

And think of people that are close to you. It is not about their IQ, or their measurements - it is how they make you happy and feel overall (I hope).
jwc3642
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10/6/2011 | 4:47:46 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
The car analogy is a good one. Last time I checked you can customize your M3 using normal, sport, racing type settings. Lower car height, increase horsepower, tune suspension using buttons on the console.

The mustang comes as is and everyone is the same.

Which car is android and which car is iphone??
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10/6/2011 | 5:37:56 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
And for the technological roads I drive, the as-is Mustang is equally as fast, more comfortable and more reliable than the infinitely-customized M3. The M3 is an absolutely beautiful machine and I admire those who have the smarts and time to tinker with the settings, but I'm busy with other things and the Mustang is good-looking, fast enough and just simply ready to go when I put the keys in. It fits my needs. YMMV. I think that's the point of the article - and it's spot on.
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10/6/2011 | 5:53:49 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
You try to be unbiased, but claim that the iPhone is more comfortable, more reliable, and imply that Android is not ready to go out of the box.

I would submit that both (or all three) OS's are comfortable, reliable, and ready to go out of the box. I know my Android was, while still offering the tinkering ability.
jwc3642
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10/6/2011 | 7:25:43 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
I don't think anyone would prefer the mustang over a M3
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10/6/2011 | 9:47:16 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
jwc3642. Are you serious? Check Mustang sales vs. M3 (or even the entire 3-series sales).
jwc3642
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10/7/2011 | 5:58:24 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Again with the sales...sales don't make a better phone or OS. Sales doesnt make my phone run better or download faster do they? Plus, they sell more mustangs but the M3 is so much better, right?

My comment was i dont think anyone would prefer the mustang. If there was a mustang and a M3 sitting in front of you. You could choose just one.....
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10/7/2011 | 11:51:28 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
AreCF, are you serious?? Ford says 2010 Mustang sales were almost 74,000 units. BMW 3-series sold 399,000 units worldwide, almost 101,000 in the US. M3 is a halo car, expensive and not intended to sell to everyone. It's more like a Shelby GT500. I've driven both. I'll take the M3, hands down.
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10/8/2011 | 4:00:17 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
The car analogy is fine but most of you seem to have it backwards.

The M3 is a killer car from the get-go, the ultimate driving machine in one package. That description fits the iPhone very well.

The Mustang on the other hand is a very basic car that needs to be tweaked and tuned if it is going to have any hope at all at keeping up with an M3 (except in a straight-line). That's Android.

People who want the "ultimate driving machine" (and can afford it) buy an M3. Those who want to tinker (or who can't afford the M3) buy the Mustang.
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10/6/2011 | 10:09:57 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
and yet last year, your specs would have included "flash" or some other worthless feature...

i find the people that search for specs, have no idea what the spec actually means... for instance those people who wanted "flash" last year... not a single one knew that it actually was a bad thing to have on their phone...(crashed/ drained the battery/ didn't actually play 60% of the content/ the content it did play was twice as slow as Html5 content/ no single flash web based game that used keys could actually play on their Android phone/ yet these clueless people wanted "flash" on their Android.... great... for them.. i guess....

where an iPad can play 60% more content/video/TV than any Android device....... period.... including 140,000 DEDICATED apps, (along with 360,000 more apps).... where TV networks actually have dedicated apps for the iPad... and every single movie rental is available... every youTube video, and on and on for 60% more video + content than any Android phones... because developers are developing for the iPad/iphone.... to the tune of 500,000 apps to Android's 200,000.... including video content.... and including 100,000 games.... yet some "clueless" person wanted "flash" so they could have 60% less content than iOS... whatever....

so now this year for the clueless it is "4G or LTE", where none of these people even know what in the heck it is.... here is a hint... it is a made up word that signifies nothing to a real user actually trying to use what they think is 4G.... ATT simply just called their network "4G" (same one they had the year before) same with verizon and sprint, there was no standards body approval... there WAS NOTHING.... they simply created the terms... and in some cases there is a new network that covers so little that real users will never actually use it... worse the tech is so flaky that even in the spots where it is supposed to work, it does not 90% of the time or is as slow as 3G or even worse...

when you look at the real download speeds of these "4G" networks in REAL PLACES in the US, people found that you had to be standing on your head next to an antenna in some center of some city to get those advertised speeds... in the rest of the REAL world, you got the same speed as every other network....worse, you got a battery that lasted 1/2 as long to 1/3 as long for the trouble.... yet none of these "clueless" people admitted that the battery was an important spec....

what does this add up too? well i am going to burst your bubble... the iPhone4s/siri will let you get/hear/ and respond to a Text faster than any Android phone no matter what made up network name you want to "spec" it with...

the iPhone4s will take a photo/ store it take another one store it, before all Android phones can do the same task on any network... (and with much better pictures than any Android phone on any network... period...) (and a lot of point and shoots)

the iPhone4s/siri will let you get/hear/ respond to an email that wants to change an appointment on both your device and your desktop faster than any Android phone.... period.... because of siri and iCloud.

the iPhone4s will download a webpage at a speed that if you placed it beside an Android phone downloading the same webpage at 50 random places in the US, you will find the observer will not be able to tell which download was faster overall.... yet the iPHone4S is 3G... riddle us that Batman???....

the 4" screen on that Android has 1/3 to 1/2 the pixels as an iPhone4s screen, yet those people claiming the want a 4" screen don't know that.....

but hey if we didn't have clueless people in the world, where would all the cheap phones go? so go for it... the economy needs cheap people too....
Steve Hillshire
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10/6/2011 | 10:36:35 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
I hate to burst your bubble, but talking about "clueless" people and then saying that LTE is nothing makes you look like the most clueless one here. Have you ever seen the Bionic on LTE? You want to talk about running circles around your iPhone! Give me a break. Wait, here's a quarter, call someone for a clue!
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10/6/2011 | 10:55:58 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
why yes, i've seen the Bionic on LTE... here is the result...

http://www.galaxyforums.net/fo...

if you can stand the truth, read ALL the comments.... another typical clueless person falling for a marketing name.... did you notice the battery on that Bionic? you might want to take a quick look while you still have a battery, watching a video or hotspot on LTE....

and this review that speaks highly of the Bionic, notice though the one "bad" comment they had.... sort of EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.... duhh...
http://www.mlive.com/business/...

real 4G will come, but right now, AS I SAID you have to be standing on your head, next to an antenna in some center of some city to get it....

get it???? geesh man... is the truth so hard to bear???? 4G and LTE are nothing more than marketing for a network that does not yet exist... except in extremely extremely spotty areas.... it is the truth, deal with it... people are clueless to be asking for "4G" or "LTE" as a spec, because 90% of people can not use it, and the 10% that can, HAVE TO STAND IN WINDOW to get it.... anyone awake with that... that is why i said people are clueless to want it right now...

someday, the chips in the phones, and the antennas will work together to get 4G without having to carry around two extra batteries....... and you will be able to tell when that day comes by when the iphone gets those much better radio chips that do not exist yet...
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10/7/2011 | 10:35:59 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Dude...I have an iPad and a Droid Charge and a Verizon LTE hotspot. I get LTE data service in the vast majority of the DC area. My speed whether through my LTE hotspot on iPad/laptop or the Droid Charge is routinely (80+%) greater than 15 Mbps down/10Mbps up and often (25+%) greater than 20 Mbps down/ 15Mbps up. Have had similar experiences in Boston, San Francisco, Denver, and Honolulu. So I don't know where you are getting your LTE information, but it appears that it isn't from experience.

I would like to see a LTE iPhone. I may yet get the iPhone 4s for the world capability and for better existence in my personal ecosystem (since I have an iPad already and wouldn't have to repurchase the apps). The only reason I would consider it is because I can use my hotspot for large downloads...otherwise after having LTE it would be painful to go back.

The battery life on LTE is hell, but got much better when I got the Android 2.3.4 update for the Charge (rooted upgrade, not OTA). How I solved that is stay in 3G unless I needed the speed and switched to LTE then. After the update, I can at least go all day on LTE (part of the drain was the Verizon bloatware on the Charge).
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10/12/2011 | 7:08:44 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
here are some extremely enlightening links for those who think the marketing term "4G" means something... or the 1.2 ghz of competing Android phones... notice none of them are even slightly close to the speed of an iPhone4s...

http://venturebeat.com/2011/10...

and a quote from this link:

"The speech-recognition capabilities are vastly better than on any other mobile device. The camera is much improved, not just in specs but in ease of use. And though the phone runs over 3G, or third-generation, data networks, itGăÍs faster than some phones that are being marketed as 4G."

http://www.businessweek.com/ne...

and another quote from this link below where you will find that every 4G phone experiences the same sort of thing, fast in a few areas, slow in many others.. yet the iPhone is 3G and beating some 4G phones, along with overall performance.. (50 random places) the iPhone4s will have download speeds the same or better than any Single Android phone, no matter the network in 50 random places in the US.

"Though the 4S isn't labeled as a 4G phone, and the Verizon and Sprint models can't use those carriers' 4G networks, the AT&T model, in my tests, achieved 4G speeds in areas where AT&T has deployed its 4G network.
In numerous tests at three different locations in the Washington suburbs, I averaged download speeds of nearly 7 megabits per secondGă÷better than in prior tests on Sprint and T-Mobile 4G phones. By contrast, a colleague's tests of the Verizon version of the iPhone 4S yielded average download speeds of less than 1 mbps."

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com...
ANON1244594108572
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10/6/2011 | 11:01:18 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
why yes, i've seen the Bionic on LTE... here is the result...

(well the site won't let you post a link without approval so i'll just have to put the comments here, till they approve) do a search on the sentence to find the web link

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Are Verizon 4G LTE problems systemic?
Remember those data connectivity issues that many Fascinate users were having a while back? Remember how Verizon's "solution" to the problem was to swap out problem Fascinates for other phone models? Remember how Verizon then released the ED05 Fascinate build, claiming that it solved the data issues?

Weeeeell ... it appears that this may be a go-to approach in Verizon's playbook. HTC Thunderbolt, LG Revolution, Droid Charge, and Droid Bionic users seem to be experiencing the same widespread connectivity issues. And the one thing all those phones have in common is 4G LTE. Check out this Android Police article for more info. What do y'all think?

They had to do something to keep their customers until LTE becomes stable over a wide area. Current LTE phones have hard time switching between 3g and 4g. Probably the main reason I haven't jumped on those 4g phones yet.
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if you can stand the truth, read ALL the comments.... another typical clueless person falling for a marketing name.... did you notice the battery on that Bionic? you might want to take a quick look while you still have a battery, watching a video or hotspot on LTE.... ( oh right you can't actually get on LTE most of the time, so never mind your battery will be fine)

and this review below that speaks highly of the Bionic, notice though the one "bad" comment they had.... sort of EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.... duhh...

(again i'll just post the comment till they approve the link) simply search for exact sentence to find the review....

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The bad
G㡠While the Verizon's LTE network is awesome, the coverage in the Grand Rapids is limited. Most places I tried to use in the Grand Rapids area were not covered or had 4G for a few minutes before switching to 3G. Although the 4G network covers my office at The Press, I was unable to get a 4G connection unless I was by a window. Most of the time I used the phone, I was on 3G.
Verizon has rolled out to several Michigan cities and plans to have 170 cities covered nationwide by the end of the year. I hope the network's footprint in Grand Rapids expands soon.
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real 4G will come, but right now, AS I SAID you have to be standing on your head, next to an antenna in some center of some city to get it....

get it???? geesh man... is the truth so hard to bear???? 4G and LTE are nothing more than marketing for a network that does not yet exist... except in extremely extremely spotty areas.... it is the truth, deal with it... people are clueless to be asking for "4G" or "LTE" as a spec, because 90% of people can not use it, and the 10% that can, HAVE TO STAND IN WINDOW to get it...while they watch their battery drain to nothing in 1/2 to 1/3 the time..... anyone awake with that... that is why i said people are clueless to want it right now...

someday, the chips in the phones, and the antennas will work together to get 4G without having to carry around two extra batteries....... and you will be able to tell when that day comes by when the iphone gets those much better radio chips that do not exist yet...
jwc3642
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10/7/2011 | 6:09:17 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Your links are to a forum with three people talking about there issues and the other is the LTE availability in grand rapids. Not exactly research.

I have had 4G in my home area of orlando for about a year. I use it often and it works great. Very fast.

You are correct that it isnt everywhere yet but the point you are missing is that if you buy an iphone 4S you cannot buy another phone for 2 years. (most people).

2 years in the smartphone business is an eternity. 4G might not be as prevalent this second but will be just as available as 3G in about a year, especially on verizon.

The real problem is that apple has not told you that you should like 10 times faster downloads yet or that you should like flash yet. Once apple does include 4G, it will be awesome to you. If the iphone 4S was LTE, would you still be saying 4G is bad. How can 10 times faster download not be good? Even if you only get it once and a while, you know you can turn it off right?

As far as battery goes, when I go to a webpage that uses flash I have to click on the flash content for it to load. When I turn on my 4G I am usually connecting via wifi hotspot to my laptop on the go which just happens to have usb ports to plug in my phone. Yes both flash and 4G are not perfect but at least I get to decide if I want to use them.

If I wanted to never click on flash content or never turn on my 4G radio i could run just like an iphone. Again I get to make that choice. I get to decide what is best for me at that moment.

Also,

Anyone who says android OS is hard to use and doesn't "just work" "out of the box" has never used one. It it way my intuitive than iOS. iOS tries to be so minimalistic it makes it more complex. Do you know how useful a back button is? My fiance has the iphone 4 and I have the Evo. Both about the same age. I wouldn't trade her phones for any reason.

By the way, I do not use a screen cover or a case. I have no scratches on my screen and only slight ding on one side from dropping it a few times. Also, if it were to break, I can just go the nearest sprint store and I get another one for free. I pay 7 bucks a month for this.
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10/8/2011 | 4:19:40 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
This man, and the author of the article, hit the nail directly on the head. I've purchased Android phones over the years thinking "Yeah, this'll DEFINITELY be better than that stupid iPhone! Suck it, Apple!"

Boy, was I ever wrong. The specs were awesome on paper, but ended up disappointing me to a point of despair every single time. My Samsung Epic has all kinds of neat specs, but my friend's iPhone 3GS blows it out of the water in every single way. Even battery life. Even the screen looks better. It's faster, but most of all, beyond ANYTHING else-

IT DOESN'T CRASH. Holy CRAP did my Android phones ever crash! ALL THE TIME!!! Deleting random phone numbers (WTF?!), making ghost calls for fun, turning off for no good reason, etc. And this wasn't just one phone, all three phones did this. All three phones, each by a different company, each with different versions of Android (1.5- 2.3).

I truly believe that anyone who makes the argument of specs being more important than the total sum is someone that has already lost their argument.
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10/8/2011 | 4:22:30 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Oh, and yeah... 4G is currently a bunch of malarkey. When I turn on "4G", even though it shows a super strong signal and everything (I live pretty close to the towers), the 4G ends up being SLOWER than 3G, yet it drains my battery at 4G speeds. Or it just crashes my phone altogether and I end up with nothing.
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10/8/2011 | 5:42:08 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
The iPhone 4S is as "4G" as any other phone claiming to be "4G".

By the way, why a 4" screen? Wouldn't a 4.25" screen be better? How about a 5" screen?
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10/9/2011 | 1:54:28 AM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
I say they need to just put a radio in the iPad and discontinue the iPhone. But they need to up the screen size to at least 13 inches first.
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10/6/2011 | 4:19:29 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
When you are willing to spend a extra amount to get a good phone, you would also like to look at the specs beside anything else. In a way the specs are also important.
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10/6/2011 | 4:20:42 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
You're clearly not a very smart man. If you've tested nearly every phone on the market, you'd know that Windows phone users aren't 'risk-takers'. Infact, to even say that is really pompous, uncalled for, and clearly one of the most fan-boyish comments I've ever heard. You're undermining an OS that is clearly now, if not at par with Apple, providing a much needed gap between iOS and Android.
You've clearly never used one, so don't lie about having used every phone on the market. As far as choosing phones go, people pick Apple not because it 'does what they need it to do', they pick Apple because their ecosystem is built in such a way where the user knows exactly where to go if they have a problem. Some people find that system super-efficient, while some find it suffocating. All phones now do what they need to, or what their users want them to. ALL the OS' are nearly at par and have almost identical features.
So please, keep your superiority complex to yourself, grow up, and stop crying over one bad Apple upgrade. Even being a WP7 user, I give Apple the respect they deserve. They'll deliver in time.
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10/6/2011 | 4:31:26 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Agree completely. All smart phone ecosystems (or at the very least, the only 3 that are growing - Windows, iOS, Android) deliver more or less the same features. People choose iOS either because it is easy to navigate the ecosystem or because they have heard it's just the best (I know many uninformed buyers who simply get the iPhone because of its hype without doing any background research). And yes, some people do look at specs, because they contribute to overall experience.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. There are reviewers out there who say that in getting to try out the new iPhone, it is demonstrably smoother with the faster CPU. If it is smoother now, that means that it was less smooth before!! Better hardware means that the device can do more, and do it without hiccuping.
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10/6/2011 | 5:01:23 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Haha Oh wow, azhark's comment was flagged because he disagreed with the author. Most people don't know what their phone can do. They don't know whether an Android, or a Windows, or an iPhone can do what they want it to do. They don't research before they buy. They don't poll all their friends or try out half a dozen phones before buying. Most people just go and buy the iPhone because they heard it was good or an Android because that's what the salesperson at their carrier's store recommended.
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10/6/2011 | 11:35:20 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
oh right, the Windows eco system of 36000 apps is just the same as the iOS eco system of 500,000 apps...????? what ever floats your boat...

and the iCloud eco system is just the same as the Android eco system, where on the iCloud eco system, you can take a photo on your iPad and it shows up on both your iPhone and your desktop and your laptop a few seconds later... you can create a document on your iPad, and it shows up on all of your devices and desktops and laptops, and when you make a change on the laptop version of the document, it shows up on all the rest of the devices....

it is just like... well... actually Android has nothing like that.... nor can it, because of the horrific fragmentation in both hardware and software... but hey... i'm sure in your fantasy world it looks just the same to you.....
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10/7/2011 | 1:51:42 AM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Are you ignorant? Have you ever heard of Evernote? Also, for iCloud to work, you need all Apple products. So if you don't own everything Apple, it's essentially just 5 gigs of online backup. Also, there's SkyDrive from Windows, its 25 free gigs, available from any computer, anywhere (just need a Live ID[free]). Even on Macs. And Windows phone users have full access to this. And this existed over a year ago. And I also believe Google has their own service for this, also a music streaming service similar to iCloud which has also been around pretty long...
As far as the apps go, it is an impressive number, but really, do 500,000 apps matter? Are you going to use all of them? Is anyone? Windows may have only 36000, but they have pretty much everything you would need, i.e. the important apps. Don't be rude on no account and spew out statistics like app counts for no reason. We all know them, and you come across as a jerk.

P.S. iCloud hasn't even released yet.
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10/7/2011 | 9:09:04 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Wait, have you not heard that Android's gallery app syncs online with Picasa? Or have you never heard of Google Docs? They have been around for quite a while... Much longer than iCloud... Oh, wait, is iCloud even out yet?
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10/6/2011 | 4:39:04 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Um. You might want to check Android's global market share. iOS is a OS that needs to be jailbroken, and apple is expensive and is generally UNFAIR. Also, they are not nearly as innovative as they used to be. Jobs got one favor on the 5th, he was able to leave before watching morons like Tim Cook and others destroy his company. Apple will enter a state of decline now.
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10/6/2011 | 4:40:43 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
There's no point making statements about variables that might affect phones - every phone has them. The specs are the constant and consistent thing to compare, and people who care about specs enough to do this will judge a phone that way. Some will judge a phone based on how many friends have it, or where they live and what service they get. Either way, these are all types of specs. And people do in fact weigh them when comparing devices.
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10/6/2011 | 4:42:17 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Why do so many people assume that everyone else does, or should, think the way they themselves do and buy things for the same reasons they do? If that were the case then product design and marketing would be SO much easier. People buy things for dozens, if not hundreds, of reasons - because it's fashionable, because it's faster, because it's bigger, because it's smaller, because it matches my outfit, because some slick talking salesman talked me into it, etc., etc., etc.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion - just, please, remember that that's what it is - your opinion.
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10/6/2011 | 4:48:27 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Thank god there are options out there. Get what you like, it is pretty much sure the phone you get will do what you need. There is not such a thing as one size fits all. I personally like iPhone (I do have one) but I am not sure my next phone will be the same one. It is always good to explore other options. Be happy! that is what matters.
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10/6/2011 | 4:54:10 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
I offer to you all the tablet market right now. There are a ton of tablets with great specs and ideas, with great manufacturers like HP and HTC. But the iPad seems to be the the only enduring market dominator that desn't get closed out at $99. It's not about Apple or their OS. It is about what the device does well for it's owner, and what it delivers and has potential for.

But i will admit I don't go to bars and bond with friends that talk engine displacement, or how their PC has a six core processor (but never talks about what they do on it). Maybe I am just in the wrong chat room....
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10/6/2011 | 5:08:53 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The iPad is not the extreme dominator because of what it does or what it has potential for. In fact, if you want to compare what it does to Android tablets, it doesn't do as much, that can't honestly be disputed. It is the dominant leader because it was the first device to capture the minds of the average populace. None of the iPad buyers I know (at least a dozen or so) researched any specs on any tablets or tried out any Android tablets, or even CONSIDERED any other tablet other than iPad. The other tablets are beating the iPad on price, features, and specs, and yet they are still selling miserably (except the new Fire) because of their poor marketing and inability to convince the brainwashed general populace that their device is worth considering.

Similar, in my opinion to the iPod. Just about all reviewers conclude that the Microsoft Zune is an incredible device, and an excellent portable media player, with features and even a user experience that in many ways outclass the iPod. And yet, the iPod captured the minds of most people, and so they didn't research, test, or consider a Zune. They just bought the iPod because that's what everybody else was buying.
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10/6/2011 | 7:12:15 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
I agree and validate that many purchases are on a sort of herd mentality, and once there is momentum in buzz/marketing/chatter liike the iPhone/iPad some just jump on the bandwagon. But it is irrelevant that the iPad has inferior specs. My point is that hundreds of thousands of buyers perceive and find that it does what they want it to, and can give them what they want out of it (let's accept that dome are just herd buyers). The sales of that have reached a critical mass and enough of the public sees it in action to decide if it fits their needs.

And that's the point of the article above. A sustainable market with ongoing demand survives because the buyer percieves they get value for the product, and it meets their expectations. That's the point of the article and my post.

I work in a biz-to-biz environment and plan to purchase one based on what the iPad can do app wise and help me with my work. I have looked at the other tablets and they can't. I don't give a hoot what the processor is, except to determine will it be dated too soon to run new software.

i had a Moto Razor and switched to an iPhone a year ago for what it could do that other smartphones cannot that I need - among others BTW many IT depts have yet to bless the corporate security issues with Android. I have a 4 yr old Thinkpad with 1 GB RAM that I have had the 2GB sticks for upgrade for two years - but haven't needed to put them in to VPN in. My main PC at work has Win7, a 2 core processor, 3 GB RAM, and Office 10 - and I need that for finance biz applications. Every one of these devices more than meets my expectations and needs, and none are leading edge specs. Sure, if you do a lot of video or game work you need minimum specs, but any honest user will still tell you some of the high spec machines are dogs while others fly.

And Nicko I respect your thoughtful words. But the rest of you - the more you argue spec, OS, or other tech points the more you prove the author's point. The guy says if it gives you what you want and need that is more imprtant than specs.
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10/6/2011 | 7:47:39 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Thats why apple spent most of its keynote on the specs...
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10/6/2011 | 11:53:32 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
you must have seen a different keynote... the one i saw talked mostly about siri and icloud and the camera, both the first two are ecosystem enhancements that real users care about.... and the camera about mainly how great a photo's it takes... which arguably is more of feature than a "spec"...

to show you how little they talked about specs, they didn't even say the speed of the dual core processor... and when they did talk about the processor it was to show how it enhanced either the camera's ability to make pictures better, or the video or to make graphic's and games better. you know the things real users care about, rather than geeks and their specs... believe it or not, real users out number geeks by atleast 10000 fold... probably much much more...
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10/7/2011 | 6:39:45 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
So you don't get iOS 5 on the iphone 4? Isnt that just OS upgrades. Wouldnt anyone with an iphone 4 get siri and icloud, etc.

So the iphone 4S is better processor, better camera, better antenna system in the same body. You cant talk about siri and icloud in this conversation about the new iphone 4S. The iphone 4S is a spec boosted iphone 4. In that regard, the only thing to talk about is specs.

They never release the speed of their processors. iOS is able to run on lower speed processors and is optimized for them. They did spend a good amount of time on putting the ipad2 A5 processor into the iphone. They did compare the iphone 4S to the iphone 4. 7 times faster this, dual core that... So yes they did talk about specs.

As for icloud, nothing new. Evernote app does same thing along with google music.

And Siri,

It has been in the app store for over a year...how many people even used it before apple bought it.

Android voice commands are second to none and have been around for years. I tried all the siri demos from the keynote on my evo. They all worked. Except you cant tell siri to "navigate to outback steakhouse" and have it take you there with turn by turn navigation.
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10/6/2011 | 10:05:38 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
To the post below and others. The point of the article is that the smartphone that works doing what YOU want it to and that YOU like is more important than specs. So much of the tech world is about the machine and its components. That Apple made a big deal about the upgraded specs on the 4S, or that Android has the greater part of the market, or the screen is low res is irrelevant to the above piece. Most of the posts here means you didn't get the article, and most of these posts belong under a piece that talks about which OS or processor is better - where you all need to duke it out.

You note above I went to an iPhone and am probably going to get an iPad. For years I have thought that aside from graphic artist types and needs that the Apple mantra/culure was like a bunch of cult fanatic followers that were not open minded, and to some extent still are (boy, watch me get flamed now.....). But I got the iPhone because it met my needs in what it does, and the same for my consideration of the iPad. For me, and I stress for me, those two devices output what I need and are capable of near future needs FOR ME for the life of the contract as well or better than any other similar product I have looked at.

Survival in the marketplace depends on delivering what people need. The business schools teach that you position yourself in the razor blade biz (something that people need to compelrte their lives, and use often and regularly).

THAT'S WHAT THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT.

I am now looking for a vacant commercial property I can put all you tech heads in and give you obsolete processors, motherboards, and old smartphones to throw at one another........

I am gone from this discussion. And some of you make me resent my own MCSE.
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10/6/2011 | 11:41:31 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
for iOS it is not about survival now, they've built beyond that.. it is about building something worth building in an ecosystem... to do it right and fully integrated, that is what iCloud is... the hardware is only going to get incrementally better now, now that the iPhone showed what a smart phone should be as hardware, and everyone else copying it... now it is the software's turn to shine... and with iCloud you will see what Apple means by "shine"
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10/7/2011 | 6:43:18 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Apple used to innovate. All the new features of iOS 5 are from android and BB. Cant wait to see how exited all of you are when you do your first pull down notification bar that apple just invented. By the way it is a very nice feature.

Once you get iOS 5, ask siri to navigate somewhere with turn by turn directions...
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10/6/2011 | 11:28:25 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
??????? what it does /compared/ to Android tablets, it doesn't do as much, that can't honestly be disputed. ?????????

uhh... lets see... there are 140,000 dedicated iPad apps, along with 360,000 other apps available for the iPad as just the beginning of the ecosystem.... there are (i'm going to be generous here) and say about 100 dedicated Android tablet apps.... well you know maybe 10 on one Android tablet, 20 on another device, because one Tablet can't use the same apps as another one, because the OS is completely different between Android tablets...

but hey, if lying to yourself about what Android tablets can "do", if that makes you feel better... what ever floats your boat.....

the Zune..... i've got to remind myself, it takes all kinds to make up a world.....

can you even name an App that runs on a Zune? i mean before they discontinued it of course.... geesh man....
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10/7/2011 | 8:08:55 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Ok, let's give this a try. It does true multitasking. It does native HDMI output. It does expandable and removable memory via SD card. It does sideloading apps (IE using different app stores). It does mount as a USB drive so you can simply drag and drop files onto it. It does work out of the box without needing a computer to play host. It does offer the option of helpful widgets on the homescreens. And no number of iPad dedicated apps will change that.

When the Zune was first out, apps were not the big thing. It was only after it had already been declining that apps really started to take off with the iPod touch/iPhone.

Edit: Also, Honeycomb tablets don't need 'dedicated' apps because the Android framework allows for a single app to be optimized for both small and large screens. Thus, there is no need to differentiate between 'phone' apps and 'tablet' apps, and no need to tout the number of dedicated 'tablet' apps.
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10/6/2011 | 5:06:40 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Whats wrong with you man! You can't go around comparing a mustang to a M3. Don't even compare a mustang to a 1 M. Unless of course you're looking to compare garbage to gold.
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10/6/2011 | 5:14:04 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
As someone who currently has a very basic non-smart phone and who is considering an upgrade, your article is not at all enlightening. Like most buyers, I will not have the opportunity to test "nearly every smartphone sold by the U.S. wireless network operators". I really have no idea which phones or operating systems will best match my overall wants/desires. And let's face it, until you've used a device of any kind for a week or so, it's premature to say if you love/hate it.

I guess I was just hoping you could help me out here.
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10/6/2011 | 6:30:09 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
I think the author is partial to the iPhone, so he will probably tell you that unless you have hours and hours to tinker and make an Android 'usable' , you should get the iPhone. I believe that there is a lot more to it than that.

If you dislike iTunes, a Windows or Android would be preferable. If you really like iTunes, iPhone is probably easiest. If you need a physical keyboard, iPhone will not work for you. If you are already with a certain carrier, that may limit your choices. If you might use a lot of data (watching youtube videos or using Pandora radio), be aware that Sprint is the ONLY carrier that does not cap or throttle your data after it reaches a certain limit. Those that cap will charge outrageous prices for data overages. I have never used the new Windows Phone operating system, but have heard that it is very simple, easy to use, and allows you to quickly see or get done what you need to, rather than going through many screens - an advantage over either iPhone or Android. Android is very intuitive as well, despite iPhone fan's cries - otherwise it would not have roughly double the market share of the iPhone. It is easy enough for the masses to use. Perhaps its greatest strength is the number of options - from free to $200 and top of the line.

So really, it depends on what you want, what you need, and you specific preferences. I am betting you could learn how to use any smart phone operating system.
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10/6/2011 | 5:46:57 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
When the iPhone came out years ago, my early adopter friend immediately bought one at the exorbitant price of $600. I was in the market for a new phone and did my research comparing specs and I purchased a Sony Ericsson P1i. All the specs at the time were better than the iPhone; better camera, physical keyboard, etc.
I didn't want to be a iPhone drone though I owned an iPod and a MacBook Pro and was highly satisfied with each.
Years passed and when the iPhone exceeded the specs on my P1i, I bought one.
I had been so consumed with specs that I had lost sight of the most important spec; user experience.
My girlfriend bought a Droid a few months ago because she wanted the physical keyboard and had heard great things about the device. I wasn't convinced because when my parents and brother became early adopters of the first Droid, I had the opportunity to try the interface. Yes, the specs are there but what a lousy interface. It seemed that the engineers that designed the phone had realized that the interface was the most important aspect.
If I have a car with all the bells and whistles and I have to read the manual to figure out how to set the clock, the car becomes less desirable. I may have a wonderful piece of engineering, but understanding how an actual user will experience the car is the most important aspect in my opinion.
So, the iPhone 4 has become and integral part of my daily existence. My girlfriend prefers my phone over her Droid. This is because the Droid, while extremely versatile and a powerful device, takes a manual to understand. I wish the iPhone was more customizable, true. But the overall experience has been a joy and I wouldn't trade it.
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10/6/2011 | 5:53:28 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
The only reason why one may not be able to find the best phone by simply looking at the specs is because the specs that really matter have not been well quantified. I have had all the iphones, several Android phones and several windows mobile phones, and the bottom line is that the top of the line Android phones are better than the iphone, while the Windows mobile phones are unbearably quirky. 4g does matter, as does the siz of the screen or the speed of the device (notice I didn't say speed of the processor). But in the end it is the whole package that the user deals with. You may have to put up with a plastic case to get the 4g and Android OS, or you may have to give up the cute little phone you find appealing to get the actual functionality you want.

Apple will continue to lose market share to Android as long as they try to fit every customer into a single piece of hardware, and a single closed system. Last summer I predicted that Android (then 1/3 the size of ios) would surpass ios market share within a year. In fact, the Android market share is now double that of ios, and is still growing. If Apple continues to think that they can sell the promise of coolness as if it was the same as the best product, theynwill continue to lose market share. Maybe Apple only wants the niche market of high customers who are satisfied to pay more for less, it has made Apple money before, but I just don't think they can do it with such obviously lower tech products (oh, and a lot of lawsuits).
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10/6/2011 | 6:38:03 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
"In fact, the Android market share is now double that of iOS"

Bzzz. Wrong. But thanks for playing.

The current market share for iOS is 54.7%
The current market share for Android is 16.3%

Source: http://www.netmarketshare.com/...
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10/6/2011 | 6:45:38 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
"In fact, the Android market share is now double that of ios, and is still growing."

Wrong!

Current market share of iOS = 54.7%
Current market share of Android = 16.3%

Source: NetMarketShare
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10/6/2011 | 7:56:04 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
He is talking about smartphones...not the ipod touch and ipad. This is a android vs iphone discussion after all.

iphone 27.3%
Andorid 43.7%
http://www.engadget.com/2011/1...
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10/6/2011 | 6:32:21 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Eric, I agree with you 100%.

People who buy products (any products) on specifications alone often miss out on the better option.

Comparing the specs of a garbage truck and a Ferrari, a person who is looking at the specifications only would choose to drive the garbage truck, because it has a larger & more powerful engine than the Ferrari, it has larger wheels than the Ferrari, it has a more roomy interior than the Ferrari, etc.

But what is really important to a driver is not the specs, but things like: how much fun it is to drive/use; how well designed the hardware and software is; how good the user experience is; etc.

The iPhone 4S is a bit of a let-down because it still has a 3.5" display, which was a standard and acceptable size in 2007, but not today with most smartphones offering displays in the 4" to 4.75" range.

A larger screen is important because it makes a smartphone more useable. Text is larger and more readable at the same magnification (i.e. without having to zoom in), and the same page coverage, on a larger screen. Watching videos is less painful on a larger screen. Playing games (or just using multi-touch in anything) is better on a larger screen because your finger tips obstruct less of what you see.

That being said, despite the iPhone 4S having a smaller display than the competition, I would choose it over any other smartphone on the planet because of the incomparable user experience.

But those who make their buying decisions based on specifications only will continue to purchase Android phones (and garbage trucks ;-)).
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10/6/2011 | 6:51:13 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Why is it that when the specs aren't better than the competition, they don't matter, but when they are, suddenly they are rave-worthy? The so-called retina display is a spec. Before it was part of the iPhone, it was said that the resolution was unimportant, and it was all about user experience. Now it's one of their big selling points.

The main differences in the new iPhone are specs upgrades. Clearly, Apple thought they were important.

Insulting Android users and comparing the phones to garbage trucks just shows your uninformed bias and blind loyalty to Apple. Many people use and love the Android OS, and it keeps getting better and better. iOS is borrowing at least as many specific features from Android as vice versa, so dismissing Android as a garbage truck experience is ridiculous. If your Ferrari keeps borrowing parts from the garbage truck, what is it becoming?
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10/6/2011 | 7:05:16 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
"Why is it that when the specs aren't better than the competition, they don't matter, but when they are, suddenly they are rave-worthy? "

I never said that specifications were more important than the user experience!

Quite the opposite.

Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote.

Having a higher resolution screen (the retina display) is nice... not because of specifications, but because it makes the user experience better by giving a more detailed image or text.

I also criticized the iPhone 4S for staying with the 3.5" display. Maybe you didn't get far enough to read that too.

My criticism was not based on specifications (i.e. bragging rights to who has the bigger one) but because a larger screen "makes a smartphone more useable".

And finally, no I did not compare Android phones to garbage trucks, although someone could try to make a case for it, you have read that into what I wrote. I clearly was comparing purchasing decisions based on specifications alone vs. purchasing decisions that value the user experience and other qualities.
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10/6/2011 | 9:51:53 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Ah, so in your analogy, the garbage truck is standing in for the iPhone?
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10/7/2011 | 8:14:12 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
I meant generally about the specs mattering when it's convenient, not necessarily you specifically.

And as you yourself say, specs create a better experience (faster processor > runs smoother, bigger screen > easier to see, better resolution > sharper text, etc., etc.). To say that one matters and the other doesn't is senseless.

And I think that your comment;

But those who make their buying decisions based on specifications only will continue to purchase Android phones (and garbage trucks ;-)).

...pretty plainly compares Android phones to garbage trucks. Not sure how you can deny that with your winky smiley face.
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10/6/2011 | 8:01:10 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
fair enough rhonin. You are on the right track so long as you acknowledge that eveyrone's criteria are different hence their answers will also be different. Some of my criteria overlap with yours of course but I can live without 4G/LTE for this year and I care a whole lot about a curated app store and stable version of the operating system across the ecosystem. So for me Android gets knocked out of the box for now and the iPhone is definitely a candidate. As a current iPhone user with lots of data in my apps, that tips the scale towards staying with Apple. Next year some of the iPhone's missing features will be standards and I won't be so happy if they don't find their way into the iPhone 5, which of course is being designed now.
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10/6/2011 | 9:16:09 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
You hit the proverbial nail on the proverbial head. After all we are talking about smart-phones. Not sure which of those two words to scream more loudly. I would love to conduct a test. Take the most popular Android anchor and any iPhone right out of the box (helps if they are activated, but no customization whatsoever). Get a statistically significant sample of people who don't own a smart phone (they have to at least know a phone number). Have them make a phone call on each phone. Any bets on which phone wins the connected call race? If you're serious about photo quality, get a real camera. Serious about watching movies, get a big TV. To be the "Smartest" a "Phone" must be the easiest to use as a phone, doncha think?
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10/7/2011 | 6:23:07 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
When I unlock my Evo there is big button on the bottom that says "phone". You click on it and there is a keypad.

How is this complex?
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10/6/2011 | 9:23:09 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
I don't know what the fuss is over 4G. For plugged in equipment, it may be fine, but... I've had 4G for almost a year now and it's not a deal breaker to have it or not have it. I live in a major metro area and I can only get it downtown AND... it destroys my battery life. So it's still practically worthless unless you are using on a 4G capable device in your home. Even in the iPhone, assuming even a better battery... until they can get power consumption handled, it doesn't really matter. I turn it on for specific downloads and it's off the rest of the time. A lot of these "high speed" protocols are worthless without better battery life or less power needed to run the said function. So it's a pointless debate anyway. Mine stays OFF.
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10/6/2011 | 9:40:31 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Iphone has always hsd the best, "it just works" experience. That's not enough anymore. Fact is it is a year behind - on some features, thats TWO product cycles in Sammy &htc world. Almost every article I've read is apologetic and rationalizes why this missing feature or that doesn't matter. Nonsense, they lead the sector handsomely, now they trail, it's really this simple.
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10/6/2011 | 10:01:13 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Absolutely unbelievable. This is so goddamn typical of apple fanboys to take this approach when their darling hipster company apple finally makes a sub par device, or an "underwhelming" device as the media calls it.

You scrutinize over every little detail of other devices, hell sometimes based on pure speculation before the devices themselves are even released or leaked. You call them inferior based on the same old lines... Its the apps right??? or is it the facetime? or it is the lack of the A5 and the 10 inch screen or whatever...

My point is when it comes to the "media's portrayal of the collective trends / consumerism" aka whats popular... They seem to bash anything that isnt apple.... Just sayin..

Now that the tables have turned ever so slightly I do believe you will see Apple start to loose momentum. It has happened before. Look at RIM they were leaders, innovators and the king of the castle and in less than 5 years they are now likely 3rd in the running. And why do you suppose that is? They make a solid device. You cant tell me otherwise.... But its the perception the media creates and manufacture's that has made apple what it is today.

On a side note, RIP Steve.... But to call him one of this century's greatest inventors is complete bullsh*^ Bill gate's company revolutionized the world a hell of a lot more than job's did. So all in all Id have to say this article sucks the big ones. It clearly shows the author is an apple fanboi that gets incredibly insecure around negative feedback aimed at Apple.
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10/6/2011 | 10:13:59 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
The car analogy is apt. What works best for you depends upon your ecosystem. A Lamborghini is faster than an SUV. Try driving a Lamborghini off road or even downtown Boston in the winter and you'll find that speed specs don't mean a thing. I recently had the opportunity to change phones when I moved back to Canada. I got an iPhone again. Not because I can't read but because it fits with my ecosystem. It syncs with all the other Mac devices I have. No matter how fast an Android phone is it would not be the rate limiting step. If the ecosystem weren't important, Google wouldn't be working furiously to create one of its own.
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10/7/2011 | 8:56:57 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Google has had a richer ecosystem than Apple for a long long time...

They have had Gmail, Google calendar, Google Voice, search, etc. for years. Right now on Android you can backup and sync to Picasa (photos), gmail, calendar, books, music, market (back up your apps AND their data), and even settings like wifi authentication. And it doesn't require a program like iTunes to do it. iCloud will bring many of these same features... when it comes out. But to imply that Google is trying to play catch-up is backwards.

Just my opinion, of course.
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10/6/2011 | 10:36:11 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
It's fascinating to me how hard it is for Apple fans to admit defeat. This article is hunched over on the last crutch that apple has left with the whole "lt's all about the ecosystem and the five hundred thousand million apps I can download." -- give me a break. The app wars were a gimmick two years ago and they are a gimmick now. The iPhone, simply put, is no longer state-of-the-art. I get the point that the article is trying to make -- different strokes for different folks -- but you do not choose between an M3 and an freak'n Mustang. you choose between an M3 and G37. The iPhone's survival as the single most-sold phone is the result of Apple's marketing and their completely anti-competitive/proprietary embracing policies that have locked their consumer base in with a passive penalty. What is that passive penalty you ask? That is the hundreds if not thousands of dollars that their consumer base has spent on apps and accessories that are not transferable. They will have to completely (with no exception) sacrifice them if they choose to jump ship. Apple seems to have forgotten (or i guess it's possible that they never really knew) that adaptation is just as important as innovation. The iPhone 4s is a shining example of this blindness. IMHO, the war has already been fought an won...Android has prevailed and Googlrola will only cement that fact.

It really just comes down to this, Android offers consumers a freedom that is totally unparalleled.
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10/7/2011 | 6:48:04 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Wow: You all have started a passionate and thoughtful debate that many people are now enjoying. I'm encouraging others to join in, as well: See Smartphone Specs Stupidity: Debate Rages http://www.informationweek.com.... Your knowledge makes our community better--Laurianne McLaughlin, Editor-in-Chief, InformationWeek.com.
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10/7/2011 | 7:17:24 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Steve Jobs legacy was making products at the "intersection of liberal arts and technology". In so doing, our evaluation criteria move from objective specifications to the subjectivity of fashion - where a 42Regular is only an approximate gauge to whether a product will fit, form and leverage your ability to take full advantage of its features.

The car analogy is busted for me. As long as we can compare via specs - we remain in the realm of commodities, still scratching our heads on how to assemble the threads, colors, buttons and zippers into a fashion statment with its own soul.
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10/8/2011 | 3:53:01 AM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
"...Don't buy a phone--any phone--just because it has decent specs. Buy a phone that does what you need it to, when you need it to, and does it well."

Based on that criteria there would be very few smart phones sold. These are consumer products and consumer products are rarely driven by 'need'. It is about preception of the 'whole product' (read the book "Crossing the Chasm")

iPods made music more portable than a walkman, but iTunes made it easy to buy music for consumers. iTunes also made it easy to buy applications for iPods, then iPhones. iTunes is what separates iPods, iPhones and iPads from the rest. iTunes does not distinguish Mac OS vs Windows OS, so Macs are still way behind Windows sales.
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10/8/2011 | 3:49:50 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Talk about rationalizing!

The iPhone 4 (S or no S) has become quite dated. Their competitor are developing at 2-3 times the speed, and most people here that are rationalizing, are comparing with what they saw 2 years ago. Your argument is good ... in 2009.

I moved from iPhone to Evo 4G and recently to Sprint's version of Samsung Galaxy S2. Never will I go back to iPhone. Here are MY reasons:

Hardware:
- Screen size. After using 4.3" and now 4.5", I will never downgrade screen size again.
- 4G: This is a MUST for me. You can't beat speed! I think Apple's soft push of 14 Mbps as new speed of 4S is not beyong misleading. To try to use "theoretical" max speeds as some benchmark, and equating it to 4G speeds, borders on dishonesty. The Galaxy's "theoretical' 3G speed is 21 Mbps (we are not even talking the 4G radio), but who cares. What matter is average speeds, and you can't beat 4G.

On the plus side, 4S finally updated the camera. So, this is great.

Software:
- Customization: Once you gets used to change things to suit you, you just won't give it up. As a user, this is mostly related to having the different home screens the way I want them.
- Custom keyboard (maybe can be merged with customization bullet): After a coupel of trial, I was 2 times faster typing on a phone than with conventional "pecking" keyboards.
- Voice actions: a phone is used lot when on the run, and what i like in the Android OS is that i can do anything with voice, anywhere. So, when driving, no need to type anything.
On the plus side, iOS is trying to catch up in this area.
- Flash: Whatever any Apple fan keep saying, Flash is still all over the web, and will be for years to come (forget about movies, all other interactive flash items). I want to access them when I want to. I don't want to ARTIFICIALLY prevent from that.
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10/8/2011 | 4:11:31 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
LTE, 4G,all sound good. I live in Kalamazoo. We just got 3G. I frequently travel to places where I am lucky to get EDGE. You folks with all those cute acronyms must not get out of SFO.
It is the sum of the experience, not just the specs.
I fully agree. Someday we'll all have LightSpeeds LTE. Of course, airplanes will crash because it interferes with the GPS.
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10/20/2011 | 5:38:23 PM
re: iPhone Vs Android: It's The Sum, Not The Specs
Nice analogy with the cars. Both great and was going to get the BMW but the dealer found out I was heterosexual so Mustang it is....
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