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Oracle Sparc T5 Can't Make Sun Rise

Oracle says new Sparc servers beat IBM's Power line, but gains in a shrinking market aren't likely to stanch hardware losses.

Oracle on Tuesday announced a complete refresh of its midrange and high-end Sparc servers for Unix, touting 2X to 10X performance gains and claiming significant speed and cost advantages over IBM Power servers. The question is whether these new servers can turn around Oracle's sliding hardware sales?

The new servers include the midrange T5-2, T5-4 and T5-8, which replace prior-generation T4 servers, and the M5-16 and M5-32, which replace prior-generation M9000 series servers. ("T5" and "M5" are the new chips while the "-X" designations refer to the number of sockets.) At an unveiling event in San Francisco, Oracle CEO Larry Ellison said the T5-series follows a pattern of doubling performance with each new Sparc chip release since Oracle acquired Sun for $7.4 billion in 2009.

"People thought the Sparc microprocessor was a laggard and that we would never catch up," Ellison said. "Well, we've done better than catch up. We've passed Intel [X86 in performance], we've passed IBM Power, and the T5 is now the world's fastest microprocessor."

Oracle claimed 17 world records for the T5-8, including fastest single server for Oracle database and fastest single server for Oracle middleware. The M5-32 server is said to be 10 times faster than the previous-generation M9000 server it replaces. Ellison shared at least half a dozen comparisons to IBM Power servers claiming significant performance and cost advantages for the new Sparc products.

[ Want more on Oracle's latest financial results? Read Oracle's Bad Quarter Is Self-Inflicted. ]

IBM declined to comment on Oracle's claims, but IBM chief technical strategist Elisabeth Stahl wrote a personal blog post on Tuesday that "most of the claims are Oracle's own benchmarks that are not published and audited."

The tenor of Oracle's attacks on IBM Power products followed much the same script as those leveled during the T4 launch in September 2011 -- albeit with the fresh price and performance figures inserted. Nonetheless, the T4-series failed to reverse a market share slide for Oracle in the Unix server market.

Among the top five RISC/Itanium server vendors -- with IBM, Oracle, HP, Fujitsu and Groupe Bull essentially representing the entire market -- Oracle's unit market share declined 22.8% from the prior year to 37.7% in 2012, according to Gartner statistics. The company's revenue in the segment was down 30.7% from the prior year. By comparison, IBM unit shipments dropped 4.6% and revenue declined 6.2% from the prior year in 2012, but IBM surpassed Oracle on unit shipments and reached 46.1% market share, according to Gartner.

Third-place vendor HP suffered a 35.4% drop in unit shipments and a 34.4% drop in revenue from the prior year in 2012. That decline was exacerbated by Oracle's move to drop database and applications support for HP's Itanium servers -- a decision since reversed by court order.

The larger concern for all vendors in the RISC/Itanium server business is that the entire segment suffered a combined 17.7% decline in unit shipments and a 19.0% drop in revenue in 2012. It was the latest example of a years-long trend toward lower-cost X86 severs, which are steadily gaining in performance. Indeed, X86 server shipments totaled 9.5 million units in 2012, while RISC/Itanium shipments totaled only 154,870 servers.

Midrange and high-end RISC/Itanium servers do fetch higher prices and profit margins than X86 servers, so manufacturers show no sign of abandoning them. Ellison said Oracle would continue to push performance improvements in the Sparc line by moving certain database and Java functionality into silicon. That would certainly bring performance advantages to Oracle software customers, but Ellison and John Fowler, Oracle's executive VP of systems, also cited performance gains with third-party software from the likes of Informatica, SAP and SAS.

The hardware business acquired with Sun Microsystems has steadily lost market share since it was acquired by Oracle. Hardware systems suffered an 11% decline in revenue in fiscal year 2011 and a 13% decline in revenue in fiscal year 2012 (both in constant currencies). Oracle executives have said all along that the company is intentionally reducing sales of commodity X86 products in favor of more profitable Sparc servers and Exa-series engineered systems.

But Ellison and Oracle president Mark Hurd both predicted that hardware sales would stabilize and return to growth in fiscal year 2013 -- a turnaround that has yet to materialize. Oracle last week reported that hardware systems revenues were down 22% from the prior-year period through the first nine months of fiscal 2013 (in constant currencies for the period ending February 28).

The bottom line is that these five new servers must overcome diminishing sales in the RISC/Itanium server market overall and must reverse a market share slide against IBM Power servers if Oracle is to have any hope of returning to growth in the hardware business. That's too much to expect.

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PhilHD
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PhilHD,
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3/30/2014 | 6:45:48 AM
One year later, Oracle SPARC is showing marketshare & revenue gains
Well, its always nice to look back at what was said last year and reflect on whats happened since. Almost a year ago today, Oracle introduced SPARC T5 as well as SPARC M5 and 6 months later, introduced Oracle SuperCluster based on SPARC T5, as well as SPARC M6 and Oracle SuperCluster SPARC M6.  

Today, both Gartner and IDC have acknowledged that "Oracle is ranked #1" in IDC's Worldwide Integrated Infrastructure & Platforms Sales Research, in Q2 2013 and in Q3 2013, (December 2013). IDC and Gartner both show that Oracle has a clear lead in the Integrated Platform category, and continues to lead over the last year.

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24367013

IDC quotes "Oracle was the largest supplier of Integrated Platform Systems with 45.6% share of the market segment."

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24551213

And according to Oracle's own public financial statements, in latest Q3FY14, Hardware systems products revenues were up 10% to $725 million and Oracle's Engineered Server Systems, including Exadata and SPARC SuperClusters (based on SPARC T5 and SPARC M6), achieved over a 30% constant currency growth rate in the quarter, while throughout the industry traditional high-end server product lines are in steep decline-especially IBM!

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2096603-oracles-ceo-discusses-f3q2014-results-earnings-call-transcript?part=single 

And if you look at previous fiscal quarter here:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1906251-oracles-ceo-discusses-f2q-2014-results-earnings-call-transcript

"Exadata and all our Engineered Systems had booking growth of nearly 35% on top of similar growth last year. All six Engineered Systems saw double-digit revenue growth, including the Big Data Appliance and SPARC SuperCluster, which saw triple-digit growth. Our Engineered Systems business is now big, delivering strong consistent growth in our hardware business, including support grew 2% in constant currency." - Mark Hurd

So clearly SPARC is making the "SUN" rise and maybe this article was a bit premature?

And by the way, have you seen Oracle's newly published SPARC roadmap showing even more significant performance gains till 2019? Look out IBM and Intel!

http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storage/servers/sparc/oracle-sparc/sparc-roadmap-slide-2076743.pdf
PhilHD
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PhilHD,
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5/16/2013 | 8:18:32 PM
re: Oracle Sparc T5 Can't Make Sun Rise
Gartners RPE2, is just an estimate, and is based on geometric mean of 6 benchmarks, where 5 of them are world records on SPARC T5 (specjbb2005 is now expiring and therefore there is no SPARC T5 result) and so the RPE2 values are quite impressive for both SPARC T5 and SPARC M5. If you talk to Oracle under NDA, you can get a hold of M-values for both SPARC T5 and SPARC M5 system configurations.
insider88
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insider88,
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5/13/2013 | 3:50:45 AM
re: Oracle Sparc T5 Can't Make Sun Rise
If Oracle can publish the M-Value for T5 and M5 for the sizing purpose, it is more convinced to know how good the machines are ??!!

We only can trust Garnter RPE2 values now !
PhilHD
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PhilHD,
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3/29/2013 | 10:37:28 AM
re: Oracle Sparc T5 Can't Make Sun Rise
Koolaid? No, just an Oracle advocate extremely excited about this industry changing event. Need to wait till the next publishing cycle for SPECCPU which should be happening soon. SPEC CPU2006 publishes quarterly. Till then, all the details are here:

https://blogs.oracle.com/BestP...

and

https://blogs.oracle.com/BestP...
Turing1
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Turing1,
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3/28/2013 | 10:47:18 PM
re: Oracle Sparc T5 Can't Make Sun Rise
PhilHD, methinks you have been drinking to much of Larry's koolaid. Btw I went to the SPEC CPU2006 website and there are no benchmarks published for any new Oracle Sparc T5/M5 servers.
PhilHD
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PhilHD,
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3/28/2013 | 2:17:05 PM
re: Oracle Sparc T5 Can't Make Sun Rise
What is your definition of "expensive platforms"? IBM Power? Mainframe? DB sprawl is usually occurring on the low cost, rack and stack type systems which I believe is whats causing the most havoc/complexity in most data centers. Today, Im seeing a lot of "consolidation" of these racks and stacks of systems (typically 1, 2 and 4-socket x86 systems) and virtualizing them onto mid range 4-socket usually and higher scaling systems, which typically would need to be UNIX based as they are clearly more robust, secure and in many situations mission critical, with maximum levels of uptime. So although the actual system may be "more expensive", you're eliminating so much complexity in the management and administration of these racks and stacks of systems and the acquisition costs are easily justified.
PhilHD
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PhilHD,
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3/28/2013 | 2:10:01 PM
re: Oracle Sparc T5 Can't Make Sun Rise
Yes, that is true. Oracle has published 17 world record benchmarks, many of them based on independent benchmarks like SPEC CPU2006, TPC-C, SAP, SPECjbb2013 and SPECjEnterprise2010. Exadata and Exalogic are x86 based as you say but Oracle does have the equivalent to both of these systems in one Engineered system called SPARC SuperCluster which is currently based on SPARC T4. SPARC SuperCluster is as fast as Exadata PLUS Exalogic in one system so clearly theres a performance difference. Clearly now that SPARC T5 and SPARC M5 is out, you'll see more Engineered system related updates based on the latest SPARC processors in the future. As for Oracles software licensing, Xeon and SPARC currently have the same multiplier of .5x while IBM Power and Itanium are 1x multiplier. Why the difference? It has nothing to do with performance. If that were the case, Itanium would have to be a .001 multiplier-its really bad on performance these days. No, the reason for the multiplier is because Oracle wants customers to run Oracle software on Oracle HW-both Xeon (from Oracle) and SPARC (from Oracle and Fujitsu). If customers still want to run Power or Itanium, sure its supported, but you'll pay more. IBM has a similar strategy with their SW where they use PVUs and in certain circumstances, it requires fewer PVUs to run on Power7+ than equivalent Xeon or SPARC servers. And by the way, theres still a lot of software out there (like SAP) that have per user licensing so ultimately, it comes down to $/Performance of hardware.
D. Henschen
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D. Henschen,
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3/28/2013 | 12:11:11 PM
re: Oracle Sparc T5 Can't Make Sun Rise
I'm thinking more like enterprises like Sears and JP Morgan Chase that getting rid of expensive platforms and consolidating database sprawl.
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bchai303,
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3/28/2013 | 5:09:09 AM
re: Oracle Sparc T5 Can't Make Sun Rise
Well said!!!
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Guest,
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3/28/2013 | 12:20:06 AM
re: Oracle Sparc T5 Can't Make Sun Rise
Actions, not words.

Oracle says that T5/M5 are the "world's fastest microprocessors" for basically every workload. If they have the "world's fastest microprocessor" for OLTP and Java, as their benchmarks claim, why are they not using M5 for Exadata and T5 for Exalogic? Exadata runs nothing but high performance OLTP, and OLAP, DB. Exalogic runs nothing but high performance Java. Why are they using commodity Intel CPUs in their flagship, "extreme performance" systems when they say they have these other in-house processors that will blow the doors off of Intel?

If that doesn't work for you, look at their core factor table upon which their DB and other software licensing is based. The core factor table is supposed to be an unbiased judgement of the relative processing power, or ability to handle a given amount of workload, per core. In this table, Power is given a 1.0 core multiplier, SPARC is given a .5 multiplier. Oracle is basically forced to give an honest evaluation for core multipliers because if they undervalue a given core they will lose high margin software revenue. For instance, lets assume Oracle's statements are accurate. If it is the case that SPARC outperforms Power by 2x and Xeon by 4x (or whatever they are claiming), then every Power user and Intel user with Oracle DB or other software products can choose to migrate to SPARC.... and reduce their Oracle licensing bill to 1/4th or so (depending on core count per CPU, more for M5 and less for T5) of its current value to Oracle. I don't think Oracle is trying to impact their software licensing and support in order to sell some servers.
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