Right, that's the name one of my kids gave 8. The MUTRO GUI, clearly designed for stupid fones and 20 year old PC's, seems to appeal mainly to people who don't do real work on PC's. In fact, the bright colored tiles should work real well with toddlers, chimps, apes and any animals that like splatches of color on a PC screen. But for someone who actually does real work on a PC, a proper desktop - with icons where I want them, with the START menu (whether Win 7 or XP style, Quick Launch Bar, system notification area and the like works really well. IF there was a simple, clean setting in Win Ape to do that, I'd go for it due to the under the skin improvements. But there's not, the tools like Classic Shell don't quite cut it for me under 8.1, and when I use a PC I often have multiple windows open - email, browsers windows, Excel, Word and more. Oh - yes, I did try out 8 and 8.1 - couldn't stand either one. Clutzy and sloppy - apparently Microsloth's new way of doing business. Oddly, I almost like Office 365 - and for the most part find it quite usable.