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8 Reasons To Hate Windows 8.1

Sure, it's an improvement over Windows 8. But for many PC users, Windows 8.1 is a clumsy hybrid that's a pain to navigate.
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Just how unloved is Windows 8's new interface? Consider this: One of Windows 8.1's hot new features is the ability to bypass the Live Tile user interface and boot directly to the traditional Windows desktop. It's a tacit admission by Microsoft that its ambitious goal of creating a unified interface for mobile and desktop devices hasn't exactly gotten a warm embrace from longtime Windows users.

That can't be good. Much has been written about the jarring distinction between Windows 8 and its predecessors, all of which had the same look and feel (with a few tweaks) dating back to Windows 95. Of course, change isn't necessarily a bad thing; it's often for the best, in fact, even when people resist it, which they usually do.

Windows 8 featured a new UI optimized for multitouch tablets, which Microsoft slapped on top of a crippled Windows desktop sans the Start button/menu. This one-UI-fits-all-devices approach backfired, resulting in confused end users, as well as wary enterprise uses unwilling to upgrade from earlier versions.

PC shipments began to plummet at around the same time that Windows 8 arrived. It's not fair to pin moribund PC sales entirely on Windows 8 -- for many global consumers, a tablet or smartphone is the better, cheaper choice -- but the hybrid OS was certainly a contributing factor.

A year after Windows 8's debut, Windows 8.1 is here. Is it better than its predecessor? Yes, but in small ways. The overall presentation is essentially unchanged, albeit with some needed improvements. You'll find a visual tour here.

If you're a Windows 8 hater, Windows 8.1 probably won't change your opinion of the OS. (It's worth noting that in addition to the Live Tile UI, Windows 8.x offers other enhancements, most notably faster startup times.) New features such as the return of the Start button and boot-to-desktop are welcome additions, but they might make Windows 7 users wonder: Why upgrade at all?

This doesn't mean that Windows 8.1 will fail. If touchscreen laptops and hybrid devices like Microsoft's own Surface Pro 2 prove popular with businesses and consumers, the operating system's touch-oriented UI and mobile-style apps might prove a winner in the long run. But for legacy desktops and laptops, Windows 8.x remains a hard sell.    

Here are eight reasons to hate -- or at the very least, dislike -- Windows 8.1. If you think the latest version of Windows is getting a bum rap here, let us know in the comments below.

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SarahM802
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11/19/2013 | 12:48:04 PM
Why Windows?
This is where Apple has succeeded. They have iOS for tablets/phones and OS X for desktops/notebooks. Smart. Windows 7 was my favorite. It looks professional, classy and overall just a good looking UI. Windows 8 on the other hand reminds me of a cartoon. It's not tasteful. Windows really should have just left that to the tablets and just enhanced the Windows 7 look and feel to Windows 8.

 

Bad bad bad windows.
AliR407
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11/19/2013 | 1:29:50 PM
8.1
I like 8 but not 8.1 but to make it more annoying, Microsoft added some dodgy thing that keeps popping up saying Get Windows 8.1. I've tried it and it ruined my laptop and had to reset everything to get back to 8 :D
Michael Endler
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11/22/2013 | 7:37:20 PM
Re: 8.1
What changes did you dislike? I can understand that someone who didn't like Windows 8 might not be persuaded by Windows 8.1, but I am surprised that a happy Windows 8 user doesn't find Windows 8.1 to be an improvement. What did you like better before?
rkarolak
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11/19/2013 | 2:39:16 PM
Re: Mobile and Desktop Hybrids
I feel like these criticisms are pretty much the same as they were for Windows 8. Of course, like you said, 8.1 will not likely change anyone's mind.

I personally like 8 and 8.1, and I realize I'm in the minority. With that said, On the desktop I really only use the Start page for launching some apps and rarely use the Metro apps. On my Surface I mostly only stay in the Metro interface. I don't feel encumbered so much by having the two interfaces in either case, although I understand how it annoys some people. It's a weird fusion of two different design languages. Occasionally it provides some nice productivity functionality and flexibility for tablets (IMO), perhaps less so on the desktop.


It's also interesting that we're seeing Windows Phone 8 on 5+" screens, and Windows 8 on 7" tablets. At this point the lines between WP8, W8, and RT8 start to get blurred.
Thomas Claburn
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11/19/2013 | 5:00:16 PM
Re: Mobile and Desktop Hybrids
>I don't feel the hybrid OS approach is practical.

I agree. Desktop/laptop computers are for typing, design and programming. Tablets and phones are for communication and casual information review.
infowinweek
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11/19/2013 | 8:11:14 PM
Re: Mobile and Desktop Hybrids
Thomas, i agree, you can do anything on a desktop, mainly windows pc. tablets do not work for everyone.. and not everyons skin.. windows 8 is still very useful. too bad its  expensive but if you missed out the promotion you can buy it for 39$ from http://www.windows8save.com .....   does anyone know if windows 8 will run on a apple?
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423697ABcd,
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11/19/2013 | 11:09:02 PM
Re: Mobile and Desktop Hybrids
Be honest, I prefer to Windows 8.1 and upgrade it by following this post: http://www.lostwindowspassword.com/article/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-8-1.html

 
EricD295
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11/21/2013 | 4:11:38 PM
Re: Mobile and Desktop Hybrids
Hi, yes, you can use Windows 8, and any Windows, on a Mac using virtualization software, such as VMWare Fusion, Parallels, or Virtual Box. I personally prefer VMWare Fusion because it integrates perfectly with my Mac Keyboard. One issue is that the Mac Keyboard does not have the "insert" key, and so when I need that, I simply plug in a Windows USB keyboard, let it recognize it, push insert key, and remove keyboard, and get back to work.

I use Windows 8, and Windows 7 on my Mac through Fusion just for Windows development, such as with Visual Studio, Qt Creator, etc, and testing how web pages look on Internet Explorer, and other browsers on Windows. For that it is perfect. When I need to surf the internet, I only use browsers on my Mac, for security purposes. And there is no problem running different Mac amd Windows programs at the same time. You configure how much RAM you allot to the Windows VMs, and you can change that anytime -- just shut down the VM and go to its settings.

I also use VMWare Fusion for Linux development, and you can have any number of Virtual Machines on your computer, limited only by your disk space. The VMs appear as files on your hard disk that grow in size as your VM takes more disk space. You set the limit in the settings, and you can defrag and claim back diskspace for your Mac.

 
bttlk
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bttlk,
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2/19/2014 | 1:15:04 AM
Re: Mobile and Desktop Hybrids
Does Apple IOS or Android run on a Windows PC?  That should answer your question. 
Major_Pita
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2/19/2014 | 7:28:23 AM
Re: Mobile and Desktop Hybrids
Windows 7 (maybe 8 too) can run Android in virtual box or with Blue Stacks. IOS...not so much.
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11/19/2013 | 11:31:41 PM
Awful upgrade experience
I also had an absolutely awful upgrade experience to Windows 8.1. I was using Window 8.1 beta prior. I lost all my apps and even some documents. If interested I blogged about it
MythicalMe
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11/20/2013 | 1:26:31 AM
More reasons to hate Windows 8
I tried Windows 8 and enjoyed it until it developed a problem. The tools to track down problems are almost non-existant. You can boot into the DVD and fix it with the automatic fix-it tool or hopefully from a backup. As I repair PCs for a living 10 out of 10 people who walk through my door will have NEVER backed up their computers. Bypassing automatic booting is not optional, it's a requirement.

The ability to pull a hard drive and plug it into an external drive enclosure, and actually read the contents, is crucial. A client of mine brought in a UEFI enabled Windows 8 laptop that was all eff'd up. I tried to recover the data, but it was encrypted. the only solution was to reinstall.

Also, I'm not sure that I'm ready to trust the Internet with all of my data. Backing up files, or storing sensitive information just doesn't seem sensical given all that we know about the US government collection procedures. And if the US government (reda NSA) can figure out how to bypass AES encryption whose to say that China or even organized criminal syndicates can't figure it out. It seems to me that Windows 8 and 8.1 is all about getting people using cloud and cloud-based services and I am just not there yet.

Finally, moving from the Aero display in Windows 7 to Windows 8 flat interface just seems to be moving backwards. Compare the Windows 8 logo and the 3.1 logo. I'd much rather have my start orb than the Win 8.1 logo. I paid a fortune for my graphics card that can render 3D graphics in microseconds, why wouldn't I want 3D graphics in my desktop?
jrich751
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1/13/2014 | 9:27:53 AM
Re: More reasons to hate Windows 8
I can't belive your hating on Windows because of UEFI.  You seriously need to update your game.  UEFI has nothing to do with Windows 8.1 or any operating system, for that mater.  And, yes, UEFI partitions and disks can be encrypted.

www.uefi.org
Nematoad
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1/16/2014 | 8:16:59 PM
Re: More reasons to hate Windows 8
UEFI is something that you have to disable if you want to install Windows 7 or XP.
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11/20/2013 | 1:04:29 PM
One reason to love Windows 8/8.1
It continues the trend, started with Vista, of breaking up the hegemony of Windows on the desktop.  Mind you, Windows may keep it by default, but a few enterprising IT sorts may be able to convince their bosses that MS is not the ship to tie into so completely as has happened before.
remmeler
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11/20/2013 | 10:17:37 PM
I don't understand the hate
The reason that people hate it is that it is not XP and it is not Windows 7, but it doesn't make sense.

I have a Windows 7 and 8 system side by side.  I boot to desktop and it looks identical to my Windows 7 and runs all my Win 7 and XP programs exactly the same on Win 8

When you change just a couple of defaults like changing to the included Windows Photo Viewer in Control Panel and using the Desktop I.E. and using the email from the Windows Essentials that used to be called Live Mail, then you will never see the Modern Front End (Metro or Start Screen) unless your press a key on your keyboard.

I run an older quad processor with half the memory on my upgrade to Windows 8 system and it boots and shuts down faster than my Win 7 and is pretty much just as responsive with a couple of nice features including some for people with dual monitors.

So you get an extra operating system which might be usefull someday and it doesn't cost you anything in speed or resources.

If you remember 3 things that fit on a post-it note, then you don't need the Start Menu but I did download the Classic Shell and found that I still love my Start Menu.

The Classic Shell was developed originally because everyone hated the Vista/Windows 7 Start Button/Menu, so you get to pick which one you want, the Windows 7 version or the XP version and it is free.
moarsauce123
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11/21/2013 | 8:40:03 AM
Re: I don't understand the hate
I agree that ClassicShell is an excellent tool. I also agree that performance of Win8 is better than Win7. But that is about the only benefit of Win8. Hardware support is drastically cut back in Win8, you have this useless Metro UI floating around, and after circumventing or fixing all the flaws of Win8 you end up with something that looks like Win7 with slightly crippled capabilities. And for that we should pay money?? I don't think so!

The market of Win7 licenses will be red hot for years to come.
remmeler
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11/21/2013 | 8:52:27 AM
Re: I don't understand the hate
After using Win 8 and win 7 side by side for a year I would say slightly enhanced capabilities on the Win 8. 

I am not recommending someone upgrade a Win 7 but for XP and Vista it is a necessary upgrade and you take absoutely no hit whatsoever by having Metro there as a bonus that may be usefull in the future or for some people now.

I got it all for $39 with a free download of Media Center which all the haters missed out on.
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11/21/2013 | 11:29:42 AM
8.1 should burn in hell
It made every single game I own laggy beyond all recognition. Aside from other issues I have with windows 8, i'm so tempted to go to 7... no XP--at least it is solid even after all these years.

 

Only good news is that there is a POTENTIAL fix to the game-lag induced by 8.1. Bad news is that i have to manually add each game. :(
Tom Murphy
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11/22/2013 | 4:45:14 PM
Re: 8.1 should burn in hell
I run XP on all four of my PCs, but I can see the darkness at the end of the tunnel.  Social networks tend to freeze along a bunch of SaaS tools.  XP wasn't built for them, and they weren't built for XP. 

While I'm discouraged by what I'm reading in comments here, I must say I walked into the Apple store to look at the Surface and immediately found it to be far more intuitive than any Windows interface I'd ever used.  The early reviews on it had me expecting something awful that I didn't find when I actually used it.
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2/19/2014 | 4:37:29 PM
Re: 8.1 should burn in hell
That 'Surface' you saw in the Apple store was an iPad.  That's the only reason I can think of for not hating it. (;-)
mak63
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11/21/2013 | 7:55:50 PM
hate?
 I can accept that you may not like what the Apps View or the Side by Side Apps do or be a mad, frustrated, about the lack of features in the Mail App (for other account, but outlook), or the Bing search engine thing, nevertheless, hate? Isn't that going too far?
I believe I picked the worse problems, and I still don't see why the hate.
I think the worse thing is the price ($100-200). Other than that, these issues don't seem to a big of a deal.

People are not still holding grudges for what Microsoft did with Windows Me, are they?

Ah, I forgot. Windows 8-8.1 got rid of Windows DVD Maker and Media Center. Now I hate it. I really do.
Joe Stanganelli
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11/22/2013 | 10:42:14 PM
Re: hate?
People hold grudges against Microsoft for EVERYTHING, just because it's Microsoft.

Among technology pundits, Microsoft is like the kid that everybody hates at school no matter what he does, how smart he is, how athletic he is, or what clothes he wears.
DanmansonmanNZ
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11/22/2013 | 5:40:51 AM
A bit of fluff there....
Clicking start -> all apps in 8 is not different to clicking start -> all programs in Windows Vista/7.  It is the same amount of clicks.  Secondly that method is sorely outdated and reserved for those who still choose to do things the old way, all of the apps are available by simply pressing start and start to type what you want, then press enter (A 1-2 second method which has been available since Vista, so I don't know why people still browse for their applications!). Not to mention the ability to pin apps to the taskbar and/or Start. Browsing through to apps is not something I do when there are so many easy ways to get to applications in 8, so this is definitely no fault to me.  When you click All Programs in previous start menu's, you still get all the folders, you still get the app shortcut, uninstaller, readme, and whatever other junk, it's no different, yet you're happy with the old start menu's for being almost identical apart from size?  Regarding the 'duelling IE's", plainly and simply you just wouldn't use the 'metro' IE, it is obviously for touch devices.  Why is it there on PC then?  Because Windows 8 is streamlined to function on tablets and desktops without having to differentiate the appropriate OS for the device.  One OS for all devices - I don't really care if it means there are apps that will be there that I don't need, they can just be hidden away and not be used.  ScanSnap in your example, it is obvious which shortcut runs the application, they are clearly labelled, and this is a developers responsibility to appropriately name their shortcuts.  You would have exactly the same shortcuts in the old start menu.  The problem is people thinking that Start is a whole new windows....it is the Start menu, larger, and more informative, with it's own apps, that's it.
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11/27/2013 | 8:35:17 PM
Re: A bit of fluff there....
I couldn't let this pass. The so-called "new" method of searching for programs, then browsing a list and choosing one, was how we ran programs on MS DOS. Except even then one could make a batch (.BAT) file with whatever abreviated name one chose, and run it from any directory.

As to the start screen, when it occupies only a part of the screen rather than all fo it, and it offers easy access to control panel, documents, images, music, file explorer, devices, printers, recently used programs and more, I'll pass.
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11/27/2013 | 8:46:18 PM
Re: A bit of fluff there....
There's a problem with your method.  You do not browse a list of items and choose one.  By typing in two, three or four letters, the list is instantly updated with each letter entered, the amount of items found are very small, usually one or two.  Typing calc then pressing enter gets the calculator, word then enter gets Word and so on, it takes 1 second to do these, it's not slow. Right clicking the start button gets you Programs, Power, Event Viewer, System, Device Manager, Network Connections, Disk Management, Computer Management, Command Prompt, Task manager, Control Panel, Explorer, Search, Run, Shutdown, Desktop.....all in one small and simple context menu, the old start menu doesn't do that. Documents, Pictures, Music etc can be pinned to Start, so you can get to them the same way you did before....Start ---> Documents.  Or you just click Explorer that is pinned to the Taskbar, and your Documents/Pictures/Music etc are right there, no need to go to Start in the first place.
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11/28/2013 | 12:12:38 AM
Re: A bit of fluff there....
I don't have anything pinned to the taskbar.
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11/28/2013 | 3:13:26 PM
Re: A bit of fluff there....
If you haven't clicked on to Pinning in all the years it has been available, then I do wonder how many other great features in Windows you are missing out on simply.  It would appear to me that you do not know enough about Windows to make opinions as to the usability of any version of Windows.  The best option for you would be to watch some beginners tutorials on Windows 7/8.x to get up to speed with the way things are done faster and more efficiently.  Just a 5 minute video can do a lot for a stubborn person like yourself.
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11/28/2013 | 9:32:34 PM
Re: A bit of fluff there....

I might pin stuff to the taskbar if I could move it farther to the right. On the left is where I keep anywhere from 4 to 8 windows opened at all times while working. If I have a labeled box rather than an icon, I can tell at a glance what's opened where. I don't have to maneuver the mouse to an icon, then decrypt tiny excel thumbnails, which usually vary in minute details, to decide what's where.

I have quick launch icons for three programs well to the right. But the taskbar is for keeping track of opened tasks.

You should consider that people who do things differently may just know what they're doing.

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11/22/2013 | 12:15:05 PM
How to cure all Windows 8 problems
I took the plunge and upgrqaded to Windows 8 some time ago.  I thought I should probably get with it and move up to the "Metro Interface".  I perservered and was starting to tolerate it then came the Widows 8.1 up grade which I aso installed.

Then thimgs went down hill rapidly.  Internet browsing problems, freezing, extreemly slow, major startup problems.  My research indicated there may be driver problems which I tried to address.  Finally my pc just ground to a hault totally unusable.

Yes I did check for virus'.

I then popped in a new hard drive and Installed Windows 7 pro. 

WOW all my problems went away!!  It looks like Windows 7 will be around as XP has been.

It seems there is no cure for Windows 8

 
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12/3/2013 | 10:13:52 PM
Re: How to cure all Windows 8 problems
An update and clarification.

 

It should be noted that my install of Windows 8 and 8.1 was on an existing PC that started out with Windows 7. 
I think my problems were to do with my PC was not a PC designed for the Windows 8 world no did I have a touch screen.

I took another flyer and bought a laptop with touch and Windows 8.1.  I have been using it for several days with the touch screen and I am realy starting to like it.
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11/22/2013 | 12:47:07 PM
I don't hate Windows 8.1 half as much ...
...as I hate slide shows that want me to to read 1 article on 9 different web pages, instead of putting it on a single page, to boost IW.com's click counts.

 

You lose. Ain't reading this click bait past the first page.
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11/22/2013 | 12:51:28 PM
Windows 8.1 was easy to pick up.
At least for a software developer.

I've been using Linux exclusively for the past two years.

And had to come back to make sure my stuff worked on Windows browsers.

I haven't read more than a page or two of Windows 8.1 documentation.

You can kind of guess what's needed to manuever around the system.

 

Note that I was never a Windows programmer (save for a month with SilverLight).

 
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11/22/2013 | 5:22:00 PM
The Start stops most people
Microsoft took a big risk by making Windows 8/8.1 a hybrid tablet/desktop OS and so far the public has shrugged. It's slowness to market was a factor; it gave Apple, Amazon and Google too much time to define what a tablet should be to consumers. Users still seem to want their laptop and tablet to be separate entities. Personally, I don't need or want them to be in one machine. I still need my laptop to be big and workman-like and my tablet to be small and fun. The Surface is an awkward merger of these two contrasting form factors. Windows 8.1 has improvements, but the tile-based UI is just not very user friendly, especially with a keyboard and mouse. Many people still can't get past the Start screen. 
Joe Stanganelli
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11/22/2013 | 10:38:15 PM
Dek
Re: "Sure, it's an improvement over Windows 8. But for many PC users, Windows 8.1 is a clumsy hybrid that's a pain to navigate."

Looking at Microsoft's history, that's pretty much a Mad Lib dek, isn't it?  That statement could apply to every new version of Windows."

"Sure it's an improvement over [previous version of Windows].  But for many PC users, [new version of Windows] is a clumsy hybrid that's a pain to navigate."

My suspicion: Ultimately, people will get used to it -- and eventually kick and scream over having to leave 8.1.

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11/23/2013 | 2:37:27 AM
8 Reasons to hate Windows 8.1 if you already hate it.
(I have used windows since XP)

 

Scumbag older windows user:

-"Add a start button."(Since I am stupid and can't manage to easily move my mouse to the corner and click)

-<Start Button added>

-OMG I can't cry about it anymore, I will just say it is clumcy.
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1/4/2014 | 1:51:37 PM
Re: 8 Reasons to hate Windows 8.1 if you already hate it.
Sorry, but the "Start" button in Win 8.1 is NOT a "real" Start button. Give us users who have no intention of blowing money on a touch sensitive monitor the old Start button from Windows 7. OK, se we CAN install Classic Shell or Start8 from Stardock, but the the bottom line is that we shouldn't HAVE to do so at all. Forcing the inferior tablet interface on us desktop users, most of which already have bought into either iOS or Android tablets, was a dumb decision by Microsoft. And jeez even us old scumbag Windows users had grown to love the Aero interface of Windows 7. Now it looks like a 4th graders gaudy idea of Crayola heaven, with endless scrolling required to get to the apps you might want. At least they did allow us to bypass Metro and boot directly to the desktop, so I guess in that respect it was an upgrade...BTW, on several computers I've noted that it sometimes takes more than one attempt to move the mouse to the corner to get the charms bar to pop up. Just a waste of the users time and patience... I have an old XP box (ancient Core 2 Duo) that is going strong. Looks like I'll upgrade to Windows 7 Home or Pro, but I sure wish it were cheaper. Hell, I'd upgrade to Window 8.1 (and fix it) if it were cheaper. Seems the original $39 was about what it was worth.
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2/13/2014 | 2:21:52 PM
Re: 8 Reasons to hate Windows 8.1 if you already hate it.
It's called keeping productive. I've used a Microsoft OS since DOS 4. I have no problem with changes and updates when they add something useful. But when it cuts productivity instead of helping I have a big problem. My biggest problem with Windows 8 is that it takes more keystrokes and has fewer shortcut keys to get things done and the logic is not consistent - not consistent with previous versions of Windows and not even consistent within the OS (metro vs desktop - shudder). When I'm on a roll, I don't want to break my typing to reach for the mouse (or to reach toward the screen) - why randomly kill various shortcuts?  So you can just swipe to get the charms - well it's not that easy if you use two screens - Windows 8 has no clue how to handle them. If you open an app, you cannot just drag it to the other screen to get it out of the way.  If you move the cursor to a corner, the screen you are on (it doesn't matter which) may or may not figure out how to give you the charms. 

After 6 months of Windows 8 on my laptop, I am considering whether to upgrade my desktop (I purchased 8 pro when it was $39 and have never opened the package). But after trying out Ubuntu, I may go that route - it's fast, slick, and was remarkably easy to learn. If I do go to Linux, I'll probably run still Windows 7 in a virtual window - there's some software I need for my business that is only available via Windows.
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2/20/2014 | 12:49:28 PM
Re: 8 Reasons to hate Windows 8.1 if you already hate it.
I've used MS since DOS 1.1... and it is nothing about productivity, it is just bored and socially USELESS coders looking for more ways to piss off the public, charge EXTREME FEES for GARBAGE and retraining on a level that, from a business point of view, is nothing but a total waste of money and resources that could better be applied to ACTUAL BUSINESS EXPENSES.

They don't make windows for businesses. They make it for mere GAMERS; 10-25 year old children that don't know what computers actually are.

When they dropped the commandline interface for this construct of a Heiroglyphic Nightmare, they lost touch with intelligence and usefulness. Since Windows began, it was a memory pig and in the 'tradition' of windows, W8 is nothing short of that.

It's GARBAGE, they can't even sell the damned thing and the UPGRADE to win8.1? I've known very few that could install it due to that ONE bug they don't bother to fix.

Argue if you want, kid, as you most likely will in your ignorance (dictionary meaning). Just remember, W8 is so bad that MS has reduced the warranty to a mere NINETY DAYS, after that you have to PAY for their LAZY ASSES to help you! (which at last quote was 150 USD - a mere 2 weeks ago)
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3/4/2014 | 12:32:15 PM
Re: 8 Reasons to hate Windows 8.1 if you already hate it.
Your post is a bag full of chit. Almost everything you state is a falsehood, not a thread of truth or accuracy.  If you don't like it don't use it, or if work forces it on you, sorry you have no choice...maybe you should find a new line of work.  In the meanwhile, don't bother ranting thru illogical posts.
Kat1004
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7/31/2014 | 1:45:30 AM
Re: 8 Reasons to hate Windows 8.1 if you already hate it.
Just upgrade from WinDon't 8.1 to Windows 7. That'll fix all your issues.
xyz_anonymous
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11/23/2013 | 9:26:31 AM
Re: Mobile and Desktop Hybrids
I absolutely agree with that...I have been using 8.1 ever since it launched, and Iam not impressed with 8 overall on my non-touch desktop!!

It doesn't delight me one bit....I hardly ever use the windows 8 start screen UI and the apps over there...All I ever do on my laptop is head straight to the desktop to mostly "type some documents" or send emails, or occasionally watch movies, or surf the web in general!! 

I think desktop OS should be optimized with that in mind, rather than cram in a hybrid OS, which really does not work well on any device!
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11/23/2013 | 9:37:30 AM
Windows new OS, the best it's ever been
Oh, Microsoft being bashed again, what a surprise.

This blathering on, criticizing Microsoft is getting old. Apple can do no wrong and Microsoft can do no right.

Time to unsubscribe.
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11/25/2013 | 8:08:11 PM
Re: Windows new OS, the best it's ever been
@Manny... I wouldn't say Apple has done no wrong. But MS is misjudginging and ignoring the majority of it's users. Windows 7 is a great OS. Why was it changed so much when it didn't need to be?
Manny924
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11/26/2013 | 9:57:46 AM
Re: Windows new OS, the best it's ever been
Microsofts' exuberance over it's discovery of the Tile may have been taken too far when it went to the desktop. In my opinion, they failed the desktop launch when they didn't have the option for the standard desktop at bootup -  (I agree, W7 is a great OS). Even if they made it smart enough to know when it was installed on a touch device or not - at least it would have appeard they thought it through - but atlas they missed it.

In my opinion, the bias in the articles I read (I went back and checked my OneNote where I keep the IW articles) the Apple articles were always upbeat and any reference to a "con" feature is coated with candy, same goes for Droid.

Articles about Windows seem to favor a harsher tone and negative slant. IMO

Microsoft products (I have a Windows phone, the surface and a W7 desktop soon to have a W8 touch notebook) no matter where I am or what I'm doing (so long as I can get to wifi or 4g) I am seamlessly in touch with ALL of my data.

I can be at a client, log into my SkyDrive account, and I can access my workstation back at my office. I can access any files I may need while working at a client site. My calendar and email can be read from anywhere and is always up to date.

For all of the negative press - those who write these articles - have you ever used the technology you comment on, or are you reading about it from your iPad?

My apologies if I am being a curmudgeon - venting after all these months of reading and listening to the critics all the while wondering what the heck they're talking about!

Thanks for hearing me out.

Cheers to all, enjoy your Thanksgiving!
PaulS681
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11/26/2013 | 7:38:44 PM
Re: Windows new OS, the best it's ever been
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on Windows. I found a survey that 50,000 windows users took. More than half said they prefer windows 7. That's pretty signifigant. Now that may change as time goes on but MS has seen better days.

http://www.forumswindows8.com/general-discussion/windows-8-survey-half-prefer-windows-7-a-7853.htm
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11/23/2013 | 7:12:36 PM
The real business reason to hate win 8
You cant log in and sync using office 360 email address.

RT units can't join the domain
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11/24/2013 | 12:01:36 AM
Re: The real business reason to hate win 8
It seems Windows 8.1 Preview Release is Beta software where it can cause issues and will not work at all which will spend more time cleaning up the software than utilizing it.
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11/24/2013 | 4:54:49 PM
Re: The real business reason to hate win 8
Even Apple knows better than to try to condense all devices into one OS as Microsoft has tried doing with Windows 8.1. 

With Mac OS X and iOS clearly separated, I think that's really the smartest thing. Microsoft tried something new, and it's ultimately going to cost them a lot of money. 
KatarinaC882
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11/27/2013 | 10:47:54 AM
Re: The real business reason to hate win 8
Oh, Windows 8.1 is not a desktop OS. It's a tablet OS with a crippled desktop module. That's like removing the engine of a car and hitching it to a horse, then claiming it's still a car and does the same things a car does.

But the "feature" I really don't understand is the search. I understand searching the web for information or videos, photos, music, whatever. I understand searching my own PC for files, settings, utilities and so on. I do not udertsand searching everything regardless of what's being searched.

See, if I want to find a short story I'm working on, I would search my PC and not the web. If I want to find a podcast to downlaod, I would search the web and not my PC.
KatarinaC882
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11/27/2013 | 10:48:21 AM
Re: The real business reason to hate win 8
Oh, Windows 8.1 is not a desktop OS. It's a tablet OS with a crippled desktop module. That's like removing the engine of a car and hitching it to a horse, then claiming it's still a car and does the same things a car does.

But the "feature" I really don't understand is the search. I understand searching the web for information or videos, photos, music, whatever. I understand searching my own PC for files, settings, utilities and so on. I do not udertsand searching everything regardless of what's being searched.

See, if I want to find a short story I'm working on, I would search my PC and not the web. If I want to find a podcast to downlaod, I would search the web and not my PC.
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12/11/2013 | 2:31:34 PM
Re: The real business reason to hate win 8
One important thing that the author did not mention regarding the Search feature is that you CAN turn off "search everywhere" and even turn off Bing entirely. A little sloppy investigative review of 8.1 that needs to be corrected. I also have to laugh how some say "I don't want to be tied to what Bing wants to show me!" Really? So how do you explain you love affair with Google?

Lastly, I have been using 8 and 8.1 for almost a year. 8.1 is a vast improvement and there are still quirks in 8.1 that need attention but, like all other Windows before it you can customize to your liking. Just take a few minutes to poke around and READ. It is quick, runs on literally any hardware and improves it and there are features that Win 7 doesn;t have that I need.

I'm not saying you have not used the system, but there are far too many detractors of the system that obviously never even tried it.
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11/24/2013 | 3:50:57 AM
8.1 sucks!!!
The 8 reasons told by the bloggers are accurate which even i ve felt the same way .I have a Dell Inspiron 5521 (15R). My battery backup after updating from windows 8 to 8.1 reduced down from 4.5hrs to 2hrs.So windows 8.1 also reduces the battery backup of ur pc.Also the mouse pointer hangs alot in windows 8.But in win 8.1 the no of hangs increased lots more than win 8 
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11/25/2013 | 1:58:59 PM
Re: Mobile and Desktop Hybrids
I absolutely agree - and would suggest 99.5% of my clients feel the same way. 
PaulS681
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11/25/2013 | 7:59:44 PM
Why?
Why did MS feel compelled to make so many changes to a OS ? Taking away the start button was just stupid in my opinion. Also forcing everyone to boot to the start screen was as well. The have fixed those in 8.1 sort of. They shouldnt have had to fix them because they never should have changed them. You need to change and make things better but MS did that without even considering what the long term users of windows liked and disliked.
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11/26/2013 | 1:13:43 PM
Windows 8
I have not been negatively impacted by any these supposed issues. With one click I get to my desktop and by the time my desktop is filled with mutiple apps and remote desktop sessions I can easily click the Windows key and easily select any app that I've arranged in my start screen.

I would never go back to the old Start menu - Start / Programs / submenu etc. The key is to take a few minutes and properly arrange apps on the start menu.

A co-worker of mine was bashing Windows 8 but he didn't even realize there was a "Desktop" icon in the start screen.
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11/28/2013 | 12:24:18 AM
Windoze APE
Right, that's the name one of my kids gave 8.  The MUTRO GUI, clearly designed for stupid fones and 20 year old PC's, seems to appeal mainly to people who don't do real work on PC's.  In fact, the bright colored tiles should work real well with toddlers, chimps, apes and any animals that like splatches of color on a PC screen.  But for someone who actually does real work on a PC, a proper desktop - with icons where I want them, with the START menu (whether Win 7 or XP style, Quick Launch Bar, system notification area and the like works really well.  IF there was a simple, clean setting in Win Ape to do that, I'd go for it due to the under the skin improvements.  But there's not, the tools like Classic Shell don't quite cut it for me under 8.1, and when I use a PC I often have multiple windows open - email, browsers windows, Excel, Word and more.  Oh - yes, I did try out 8 and 8.1 - couldn't stand either one.  Clutzy and sloppy - apparently Microsloth's new way of doing business.  Oddly, I almost like Office 365 - and for the most part find it quite usable.
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11/29/2013 | 10:40:47 AM
Re: Windoze APE
Start menu vs Start screen aside, the Metro/Modern/Whatever-it's-called interface just can't be effectively controlled with a mouse. Having a touch screen monitor on the desktop won't help much, either. The ergonomics simply don't work out.

Besides, it's very limited. I literally laugh (or giggle anyway) whenever I hear MS boasting about being able to keep four apps opened at once(!) Come, now, Microsoft. Windows 2 could keep a lot more than four apps opened at once!
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11/29/2013 | 3:16:13 PM
Re: Windoze APE
Really?  You don't want to click a tile, but you want to double click a shortcut on the desktop?  You don't want to right click a tile for options, but you can right click a file on the desktop?  You don't want to type in a couple of letters and press enter to run an app that you dont use often or don't have pinned, but you want to click Start --> All Programs --> App folder --> app shortcut which takes longer?  Some people want widgets, that are really no different to tiles, but they don't want live tiles that actually get out of the way when you use the desktop unlike widgets.  What exactly can't you control with a mouse, because all our workers are doing just great on Windows 8, for invoicing, graphics design, programming, sales, technical support, web dev etc, no one here is struggling to get work done efficiently on windows 8.  We hardly ever get any clients calling us back because they can't use Windows 8.  It's very likely due to the fact that we spend "5" minutes with each client showing them the new features in Windows 8 - after that they're away sailing.
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11/29/2013 | 8:42:13 PM
Re: Windoze APE
I don't keep shortcuts littering my desktop, and I don't run widgets, either. Search doesn't let you browse a folder full of different games, or tools. And dragging the mouse pointer all the way dwn to close a program on a 23" monitor brought cries of pain from my shoulder in record time.
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11/29/2013 | 1:53:06 PM
Saviour to windows 8 and 8.1: HRBRID windows 8 and 8.1
I hated windows 8 and windows 8.1 from the day when I used them.
But these 2 apps will make you love windows 8 and 8.1.

 
  • First, is the Start8 Software which is the best replacement for windows 8 start menu, gives you the feeling of using windows 7 start menu.

 http://download.cnet.com/Start8/3000-2072_4-75732532.html?part=dl-&subj=dl&tag=button

 
  • Second, and the best , ModernMix  which can be used for using windows 8 Apps on desktop mode.Now your apps wont

 https://www.stardock.com/products/modernmix/

 

 

 


 
  •  And for and amazing experience use some features from this page :

http://blog.laptopmag.com/make-windows-8-like-windows-7.

 

You will get a new and better windows 8(actually an aesthetic HRBRID windows 8)
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12/12/2013 | 1:41:44 PM
SORRY Microfoft but..........
We have left the Micrisoft house for good (115 users).

8.1 has finally been the nail in the coffin (Microsofts) no return of the WIN7 U/I and all features.

We are a business and in the businesss of makng a profit, ALAS Windows is not even a basic good O/S.

AND to NOTE we will NOT be back, cost of Windows 8/8.1 along with all the updates/upgrades to a system, applications and peripherials make this uneconomic viable option and put a major strain on out profit and loss.

Our new choice means the differance in costings of around  NZ$1759.00 per system made up of the following.....

1) Cost of WIN8/8.1

2) Cost of hardware updates/new

3) Cost of Application Upgrades/new replacements

4) Cost of installation/setup

5) Cost of training

6) Downtime and lost productivity

Godbye Microsoft we will NOT be back
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12/15/2013 | 2:20:21 AM
Re: SORRY Microfoft but..........
I hate to break it to you , If you are moving to apple , you will be disapointed , apple machines are much more expensive , much harder to repair (if possible at all ) , and have a longer downtime when they fail , I think that some companies are still running pc's bought in 2001 , While people who opted for macs had to replace most of them  , But if you think you can mangae to run with chromebooks ( less than 400 $ per machine and as low as 199 $ ) then do some research about productivty aplications available , and then by all means , go for it ......
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1/6/2014 | 12:04:52 PM
Re: SORRY Microfoft but..........
Your facts are wrong for all: MS, Apple, and Google. Apprentice for sure.
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1/8/2014 | 10:22:28 PM
Re: SORRY Microfoft but..........
You can't be serious.  I'm no Apple fan and work in a 1200+ seat MS enviroment.  But Apples are not harder to repair than a Windows box.  They are better built and Apple controls the components that go into assembly.  They do not break down near as often as our Windows boxes do.  But I, and you, digress.  This is a Windows 8 discussion and the view is that it is horrible.  The only reason I found this thread is because I am at this moment trying to get a friends new HP desktop up and running.  I have never been more frustrated in my life.  First I can't get past the stupid tiles.  WTF are they for?  When I finally got in I wanted to update to the "much improved" 8.1.  I am told it is in the Windows Store.  Where?  I see a bunch of unproductive crap that I would never let into an enterprise enviroment but no Windows 8.1 upgrade.  Ok so I Google, not Bing, it and am told that I may not see the upgrade unless I have run some W8 updates first.  So I run Windows update and there are 78 updates I've got to let run before I can get this POS updated to basically another POS OS with different lipstick.  Christ MS!  We wanted the"Start Button" which led to the "Start Menu".  We wanted to get away from your tiles not back to them.  I can't begin express what a massive fail Window 8.Whatever is.  I am not going to beg that you fix it.  I am just going to use my Android tablet for "fun" stuff and my Windows 7 box for anything productive.  Oh and good luck on trying to convince everyone that there is finally one user experience for all your devices.  The Windows phone isn't even a player, the Surface is a bloated tablet with a dearth of decent applications and developers who could a shit, and then you top it off by making the desktop unusable.  Good job Steve. Way to shit your nest then split.
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2/4/2014 | 2:59:09 PM
Re: SORRY Microfoft but..........
You obviously don't know what you are doing.  Your friend needs another friend that does to help them out with 8.1.  The amount of time you spend bitching and moaning in your post was longer than a short tutorial or article (readily availabe) that would have gotten both of you going full speed on Windows 8.1.  Some people are just resistant or pathetic.
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2/19/2014 | 12:57:27 AM
Re: SORRY Microfoft but..........
I agree, find someone using Windows 8.1 successfully, and they will have you going like a PRO on 8.1, just like you were on 7 or XP.  It won't even take an hour!
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2/20/2014 | 12:40:17 PM
Re: SORRY Microfoft but..........
you're right! It won't take an hour. It will take you MONTHS and who has the time to relearn a mere OS system when it SHOULD be USER FRIENDLY!

Win 8 (aka W8) makes UNIX looks like the Taj Mahal of OS's as far as a learning curve goes.
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1/9/2014 | 2:30:14 PM
Re: SORRY Microfoft but..........
Agreed. There is no compelling reason to even speak to Microsoft anymore. They are completely out of touch with virtually any customer using any of their products. I work at a university. We had Microsoft come in to make a pitch for one of their ID management solutions. These people could not get their presentation to run, could not get a WebEx connection to work, were unable to demo threir product. If that wasn't bad enough, they were unable to answer licensing questions because of the complexity of their licensing schemes. I felt embarrassed for them, I could not imagine working with such crap in such a confused (dis)organization. We are not moving to Windows 8, and are actively pursuing Linux based alternatives. Microsoft now has a CERTIFICATION for Windows licensing specialist... 8 courses... What an epic fail. I have wanted to abandon Microcrap for a long time, Thanks Steve for making such a compelling argurment for me... you did all the work! Nice job... 
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12/22/2013 | 7:30:23 PM
8000 reasons galore and counting
I can't believe MS could be so stupid. I am so pissed that I had to vent my anger.. I mean anger

8.0 and 8.1 we obviously dreamed up by a committee , need I say more.. Gee what a great idea, take w well proven interface and change it to look like an iphone,,, wonderful

 

When Steve Ballmer announced his retirement, the MS stock jumped 10%,, need I say more? MS has 130,000 employees,, i think each one had some input in W 8, and 8.1
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1/3/2014 | 1:41:08 PM
Re: 8000 reasons galore and counting
I wish I could give you 100 thumbs up.  It's like Microsoft is trying to drive customers away. 
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12/31/2013 | 4:58:54 PM
win 8.1
thank god i'm a novice  at this but win 7 but it was the new xp and has been everything i need and want,but 8.1 as you say it is an improvement . i've only had it for 2 days but you can adapt to youre own likes .one instant fault is to shut down but i did find it . why make so hard  to do a simple thing and not to drag and drop a shortcut mmm. i am 60 and i know stuff but this will put off older people

to join this fantastic media.  microsoft listen dont be so business the people need to learn to shop and book holidays and buy like from amazon,ebay keep it simple .

 

 
diabloggical
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1/3/2014 | 1:39:04 PM
Windows 8 and 8.1

Yes a lot of people are using tablets recreationally now, but laptops are for working and no is talking about the way Windows has continuously reduced productivity. With every update they add keystrokes and change things just to change them without reason. (What was wrong for clicking "Y" to save or "N" for new?) Used to be able to ALT,F,U to get into document set-up, now you have to mouse it all the way. Thank heaven for Windows Explorer (now File Explorer), even though it takes 5 actions to get to the file you need to access. Why not give users the choice to automatically bypass those ridiculous tiles.  

While I'm at it, what's up with Outlook? All if a sudden all folders default to a reading view and must be changed individually, plus with the 8.1 upgrade when writing a new email the toolbar moves to the "File" tab - absolutely the last tab you would ever use when writing an email (you need to be on the "Message" tab). BTW, maybe 8.0 booted up faster, but 8.1 is way slower. I can make coffee and clean my kitchen while I wait - and it is definitely not the fault of my new MSi computer. 

 

Also, the new Start button is a joke.  Is that a passive-aggressive Microsoft stab at its PC user base?  They couldn't do more to create a customer base for a smart competitor.  There are a lot of us looking for a Windows alternative.

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1/9/2014 | 12:27:25 PM
I found out something interesting
I always said that those that hate Windows 8/8.1 are mainly legacy windows users that refuse to realize that clicking on the Desktop Tile or booting right to Desktop will give them a slightly improved Windows 7 with no loss of resources due to the Modern Front End that may be useful someday.


But my big suprise is that I gave my adult daughter (a smart phone user) an Asus 8.1 Transformer tablet with attachable keyboard because she is a long time Windows program user on the computer.  She has really only used apps on the tablet and has never attached the keyboard.  I think it is because she is used to swiping and touch on her smartphone.


Not that the touch on 8.1 is perfect, but it will probably improve.
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1/10/2014 | 1:12:13 PM
Do not agree with most here.
On my traditional laptop with Windows 7 windows 8 was a disaster and for non touch devices the metro inteface takes some getting used to but Windows 8.1 is a major improvement. It is sort of like when most machines were running xp and had maybe a gig of ram and pentium 4 and tried to upgrade to Vista. Whenever there is a major change people complain and I was one of them until I got a windows tablet running 8.1. Now I can honestly say I understand what MS was doing. Right now the os is sort of a hybrid between desktop os and touch os. I think there are a few improvements to be made to make it fully functionalfor touch but that being said it is amazing what you can do on a tablet now. Having primarily used Android for tablets and apple and android for phones I really liked their interface and with Android the level of control. However I always wanted to run Ubuntu or some other full desktop os with a touch interface because sometimes you want to use more than one program at a time. I know there are exceptions to that with Samsung but it is still not the same functionality you have with windows 8.1. As I have learned how to use 8.1 and the metro interface there are some things I like about it better than traditional windows ui. For example to bring ip task manager or control panel or my computer I simply tap on the icon which I can pin to my start menu which makes common tasks I do very quick and easy. The versatility of having a desktop when I need it and metro is really great and with periferals I can use my tablet as a full blown desktop so I can get down to business or have fun all in one device. I truly see that the touch interface will replace desktops in the future and when voice recognition becomes error free then keybords and mice will not be an issue. Right now a lot of people are in that transition period and if you have old hardware it is hard to see the real beauty of the change. When you change your device you might change your mind too and as touch on windows matures it will only improve. So while I understand the complaints I do think MS did the right thing because if they had not made the changes they made and force everyone to change with them the traditional desktop would never ever die and you can't advance splitting your resources to cater to two distinct visions. Also others would say how MS is getting behind the competition and now they are leading again. Does Apple or Google offer a full OS on their tablets? Can I use an iPad or a Nexus 7 to be productive not just consumptive? Maybe that is their model but why can't I want more? Why do I need a tablet and a laptop and a smartphone. Why can't I just have a couple of devices? Simplifying is better in my opinion. I really think the future of computers will be tablets with docking stations to run like a regular pc and laptops and desktops will be made obsolete. They just need to make the ram upgradable and as long as you have a sd card expansion slot or maybe even two you are good. Larger on board storage as well. Also a user replacable battery. Once these features are incorperated into the tablets and docking stations become the norm to run monitors, etc then I really see nothing holding these tablets back. Maybe I am nuts but so far I really like windows 8.1. It boots insanely fast, faster than android and is pretty stable. I also disagree that the two ii interfaces are not well matched. They are different no doubt but that is lind of the point. Sometimes on a tablet I want to use the desktop ui and sometimes I like a ui more suited for touch but making me only be able use one style is called android or ios. If I wanted to be forced into only one ecosystem I would choose their design model which is limited. There may be a way to more gracefully combine the two ui but for now this is as good as it hets and my big suggestion for MS is allow pinch and zoom in desktop mode for the touch ui. I think the combination of both interfaces is what makes Windows 8.1 shine ans for some is also its weakness. However as usual with Microsoft we at least get to make the choice. You can set up your desktop to run much like windows 7 and enjoy the faster boot up time, lower resource use, and better security and you can also add touch to that experience as well. Also the metro interface lists different aspects of an applications features graphically. How else are they supposed to do it? I think I can read a description that tells me what is the app and what is the uninstaller. It is not comfusing to me. I do not see the 8 things to hate about windows 8 as being particularly important but almost amway to look for problems. You can complain about anything.
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1/16/2014 | 8:15:52 PM
Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
I am dumbfounded by the lack of any kind of menu bar, and an exit button on my new metro apps. To terminate them, you have to first open the task manager, and the close them the way you would close a hung app.
ChrisN432
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2/2/2014 | 10:47:22 PM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
Just swipe down from the top of the screen to close your app. It's pretty simple, really.
ChrisN432
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2/2/2014 | 11:01:46 PM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
It seems the only way I can comment at all on this article is to reply to somebody else's comment, so.....

 

I got a windows 8 lapton just about 14 months ago. I freaking love it. Last month, I replaced my old and barely working desktop with a 23 inch all-in-one touchscreen from Gateway, and I love it too. I can tell you that if I had fallen for a windows 8 laptop without the touchscreen, I would have thown it out a window (pun intended) within a few days of getting it. In other words: With touchscreen -- windows 8 rocks. Without touchscreen -- windows 8 sucks.

 

Yes, there are things that you have to get used to being different, but what's new about that? I suggest going through some tutorials and downloading some tips and tricks apps or just looking up good tips and tricks on Google. Most things that have you frustrated will make you slap your forehead and say "Doh!" once you learn how to do them.

 

I have been using windows phone since windows phone 7 came out, and now I have a windows phone 8 device, and I love it too. My daughter, an iPhone user, said she would switch to Windows phone in a heartbeat except there are so many thinigs she does with her friends that require her to have an iPhone to do.

 

Bottom line: Only get Windows 8 or 8.1 if you've got a touchscreen, and give it a chance. If you have an open mind about the change, you'll most likely really like it. All those things you currently do using Windows 7 or earlier, you can still do the same way in desktop mode if you want.
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2/3/2014 | 1:13:44 PM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
@ChrisN432.   No Mac user has ever had to do any actions for an OS upgrade to understand how to keep using it.  To a lessor extent neither has an Android user.  Plainly put, from Win7 it's easier to switch and learn iOS or Android than to switch and learn Win8.
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2/3/2014 | 8:38:23 PM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
@DDURBIN1 I'm going to disagree. On a small level, there were several things I had to learn how to do just upgrading my iPad to iOS 7. Over the years, I'm sure there have been plenty of things that had to be learned when new iOS versions came out, the same as new versions of Windows. The big difference right now is that Microsoft chose to make a major, fundamental change to Windows with Windows 8. That's definitely going to mean learning some new things. However, that's life. We're always resistant to change. Microsoft has done something nobody else has done so far, and they took a risk doing it -- they've made everything work and look the same, from phones, to tablets, to laptops to desktops. I really like it, but that's because I could tell from the display models in stores that a non-touchscreen laptop with Windows 8 would be aweful, and I had an open mind. Not only does everything look alike, but it all knows everything I've done. I can sit down at my desktop, and start to type a URL address into IE. It can be a URL I've only ever been to on my laptop, but my desktop knows about it. It's magic!

 

As far as 8.1 is concerned, I don't know. I upgraded my laptop to it when it came out, but that was a disaster. It turned my favorite computer I've ever owned (and I've owned tham all the way back to the IBM PCjr) into the worst. That's because it reduced the sensitivity of the touchscreen to where it barely worked, and it disabled the bluetooth. There was no Windows 8.1 compatible driver for the bluetooth on that computer, and I suspect, a similar problem with the touchscreen.

 

Learning Android (I've had Android phones and an Android tablet) isn't that easy, beyond just the basics. I'm totally lost trying to do anything on my daughter's macbook. Learning Windows 8 wasn't too difficult, and I'm not a geek. All you have to do is read up on the tips and tricks stuff and watch a tutorial or two. I've been using it for over a year, and I'm still learning. however, I've been using earlier versions of Windows for decades, and Windows 7 at work, and I'm still learning things on those too. Nothing new there.

 

Were you around when they went from the old Windows 3.1 to Windows 95? That was a pretty major change, as I recall, and took a lot of getting used to.
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2/4/2014 | 9:56:32 AM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
@ChrisN432, the move from win3.1 to win95 was a HUGE improvement.  The move from Win7 to Win8 is NOT and in fact a huge step backwards for desktop point and click users.  There is no advantage to using Metro over Desktop and forcing the user to switch between them is rediculous. Dr. Frankenstien could not have created a more skitso enviroment.
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2/4/2014 | 2:53:03 PM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
If it is so hard for you, don't use Metro Apps at all.  We don't, because we don't need them at work, but not because it is difficult to swap screens.  If you are really a PC literate person, grow up and quit fighting things that are not hard to adapt to.  You are doomed in the near future if you can't get past XP or Windows 7; that will likely be the easiest thing to adapt to if you aren't already 85 years old or going senile sooner.
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2/19/2014 | 1:00:41 AM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
If you don't like Metro, don't use it!  Just use the desktop, like Windows 7 or XP.  Your complaints and fighting it are taking more effort and time than just adjusting and learning a few basic steps.
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2/4/2014 | 10:07:22 AM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
ChrisN432,  Plainly put it is easier to switch and learn iOS or Android than to learn Win8.  I said nothing about Mac OS.  My comment about Mac OS is that all previous versions of Mac OS upgrades didn't require the learning curve needed with Windows 8 upgrade to continue to be as productive.  By the way there are no touch screen iMacs or Macbooks and there are good reasons which Microsoft is learning the hard way.
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2/4/2014 | 2:50:00 PM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
Adapting to Windows 8.1 is not difficult at all.  I disagree strongly that learning IOS or Android is easier than going from Windows XP or 7 to 8.1.  We have converted dozens of users to 8.1 defaulting to the desktop view, and none of them have had problems...and they are not IT staff either.
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7/31/2014 | 1:54:18 AM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
Excuse me?! I picked up on iOS and Android, as well as Ubuntu, far faster than I even figured out the start 'menu'(*cough* screen *cough*). I'm a very adaptable person when it comes to technology, too. I hated the fact that they went and made the 'Metro' interface(an overly cluttered piece of s***) the start 'menu' in WinDon't 8. I bet most of those people you've 'converted' want to go back to 7, even if they don't say it to your face. Hell, even Win3.1 was easier to use than Win8.1 is.
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2/23/2014 | 6:47:08 AM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
Hi ChrisN432,

You said: "Were you around when they went from the old Windows 3.1 to Windows 95? That was a pretty major change, as I recall, and took a lot of getting used to..."

I came to Japan in 1995 when Windows 95 was 'almost' brand-new. My Japanese wife was amazed that I could 'read' Japanese and maneuver thru the win 95 interface, in a language that was completely foreign to me, the very first time we visited Akihabara together. NB: My last operating system at home, in English, was NOT Windows 95, but the last Win3.x over DOS 6.x. That suggests that the change-over was virtually seamless to me, someone who had been interacting with computers <indirectly> since 1975 and actually programming them by from a keyboard by 1977. (This was in 'the bad old days' when micro-computers and color monitors didn't even exist!) For my first IBM computer in Japan, I used a spare set of DOS6 and Win3 diskettes given to me by an Indian computer engineer living in the same building (God bless him!)

Win8 is 'clunky'. I bought a new computer with Japanese Win8 installed...I need an English-language system for my work and I thought I could just install my Win7, but NO! UEFI is another one of those bugbears that MS is so famous for! [I know it's not MS's fault!] But can you imagine the hassles and the many hours of getting Win8 into English, downloading the 'free' 8.1 upgrade and finding that the whole system has reverted to Japanese? This does NOT happen with Apple products, EVER! (Experience: several iPhones, an iPad, a MacBook Pro for my wife... )

Best wishes!     
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2/3/2014 | 1:24:33 PM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
@ChrisN432, try doing that from a non-touch screen laptop with no mouse, just the touch pad.  Not simple, really.
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2/3/2014 | 8:25:13 PM
Re: Windows 8.1 Metro Apps
Yeah. That's why I said Windows 8 sucks without a touchscreen. Don't do it!
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1/22/2014 | 12:04:31 PM
Classic Shell
I just use the classic shell which is free. I turn off all the windows 8.1 features and it works great.
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1/22/2014 | 12:04:32 PM
Classic Shell
I just use the classic shell which is free. I turn off all the windows 8.1 features and it works great.
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1/28/2014 | 12:34:36 PM
I hate Apps
I am in the process of purchasing a new computer.  After reading about all the problems with Windows 8 & 8.1, I can not understand why they would put Apps on the OS for a computer.  If I want to use Apps, I would buy another IPad.  I don't want Apps on my computer!  Can you delete all those APPS?


It still urks me that I still have those anoying links to purchase programs on my Dell desktop even though I try to delete them, they seem to eventually pop back up.  The thought of having those annoying unwanted Apps is really making me hesitate in buying a computer today.  Those Smart TVs with APPS, no thanks too...I will settle for a stupid TV instead.
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2/4/2014 | 12:52:04 PM
Application Recent Documents
One of the things I liked best about Windows 7 was the recent documents for each application on the Start Menu.  The only realy complaint I have about Windows 8.1 is that the Start screen tiles do not have app-specific recent documents.  I know I can still pin an application to the Task Bar, but I use too many applications to pin them all without overly cluttering the Task Bar.
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2/7/2014 | 2:22:10 PM
Get over it
20 years ago after an initial break up of the Eagles, Henley and Frey wrote a song with a lesson for thos so upset with this change. Here is the first verse and chorus:

"I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin' "Don't blame me"
They point their crooked little fingers ar everybody else
Spend all their time feelin' sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma's too thin; your daddy's too fat

Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it"

Writer(s): Don Henley, Glenn Lewis Frey
Copyright: Red Cloud Music, Black Cypress Music
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2/13/2014 | 8:49:21 PM
Re: Get over it
They also wrote the last verse of "Desparado" which also has relevance to Windows 8

Desperado, why don't you come to your senses,
Come down from your fences- open the gates.
It may be rainin, but there's a rainbow above you.
You'd better let somebody love you,
LET SOMEBODY LOVE YOU. 
You'd better let somebody love you,
before it's too late.

But this doesn't really add to the debate either...

Writer(s): Don Henley, Glenn Lewis Frey
Copyright: Red Cloud Music, Black Cypress Music

 
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2/19/2014 | 4:20:41 PM
Windows 8.1 Pains
Windows8-8.1 is frustrating to use, if you're into keyboard shortcuts. Every MS product that comes out, they change the name of the parts you've been familiar with, hide them, or worse, remove them. It's like you have to start over (go to school) learn all over. Servers, PC's, or Software..... doesn't matter. What I've noticed with 8 or 8.1 is that they've split the old Start menu from the Desktop. The "Charms" screen is just that, and the Desktop screen is what you get in Windows7 after booting. Put your mouse here, then way over there, in this corner and over in that corner.... dang, I've got more miles on my mouse and so much more time wasted traveling around the screens and through the doors that it's dizzying!! The old saying, "what Intel giveth, Microsoft taketh away" still holds true. Dump the eye candy and frills.... just make something that is small, powerfull, sleek, and not in your way of getting your business done. What good is a Corvette that you have to climb through the passenger window to get in, then jumper a wire in the back seat before you can start to drive it?? Big giant gas-guzzling motor......... no problemo....
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2/20/2014 | 12:36:21 PM
Just say no...to windows 8*
Windows 8 (plus) is a bloody disaster. SOMEHOW MS got the ODD idea that people LIKE smartphones so much that they want that DISABILITY on their computers!

MS, you're a zombie corporation. You've been dead for years and still don't have the intelligence to lay down and die.

You have left the world of USER FRIENDLY, and adopted the ideal of "let's piss off as many people as we can by making it more USELESS, CONFUSING and generally UNWANTED".

Give up and get on the cart (as they'd say in Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail.) For PC computers (at present) the ONLY VALID operating system is and has been for over 15 years, LINUX in it's many flavours and incarnations.

ONLY MERE GAMERS 'like' your OS, (as well as bottom feeding office people that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground!)

I can't wait for the inevitable NEXT screw up (in which the germans are going to LOVE the word play with) aka WINDOWS NEIN!!

 
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3/24/2014 | 12:38:41 PM
Re: Just say no...to windows 8*
Re: your comment about the Germans, borrowing further from the Monty Python alumni canon (in this case, Fawlty Towers), when you're talking about the Germans, don't mention the war. ;) 
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7/31/2014 | 1:43:27 AM
Re: Just say no...to windows 8*
Well, I am one of those 'MERE GAMERS', and I know quite a bit about computers, having grown up with a couple of programmers. And Linux is only an excuse to not use Windows, as it is far too diverse and complex. Windows is a great, versatile OS series, with the exception of Windows 3.1/8.1/Metro. It is not very customizable, but the original(aka 95-Win7) UI was easy to navigate, well-designed, and is still quite well-loved.

 

I do like your Monty Python reference, though. And I also like your wordplay with Windows Nein :)
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3/2/2014 | 12:07:34 PM
Everyone is not on Facebook
Everyone is not playing games, nor do they have a smart phone or tablet. MS is killing itself by throwing

Everyone in the same boat.............Win 7 pro  was almost too much but now it was the best they were ever going to do...........All these complaints including this one will fall on deaf ears....Thats the Microsoft Way....A slow crashing plane since the beginning
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3/8/2014 | 11:45:54 AM
Scrap it
The sooner MS can throw out the 8.x series - and 9.x if it's slated to be a mere imrovement on 8.x - the quicker they can get back to devoted Windows users. I've been using it since Windows 3.1, and there has never been a fiasco as bad as Windows 8.x since Windows ME - if anyone remembers that. True, Vista was a close third, but 8.x really has to go down in the Windows ME and "losers" hall of fame.

As a remedy, meanwhile, all of the management team that did not oppose 8.x changes while they were ongoing needs to be re-assigned. Sales Department might be a good re-learning tool for them. This should start with the then-CIO.


Secondly, they need to recall all 8.x machines, offer free "downgrades" to Windows 7 for machines that can handle it, and a discount on brand new Windows 7 machines for those stuck with "ducks" that are good only with Windows 8.x. Then, they need to announce that Windows 7 is being reinstated for the foreseeable future, until they work up something like a Windows 10 that will be an improvement on Windows 7 - not a debacle. MS could ease it's own pain by doing something along the lines of the above.
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3/12/2014 | 5:59:03 PM
Windows 8.1 - further and ever downward in quality
Windows 8.1 is very fast to load. However, it is slow to use. Too many unwanted popups that slow it further. Most of the screen shots are not useful for me, and they keep coming up when you don't want them. Navigation is slow and clumsy compared to XP. Probably great for teenagers and those who do not need to work fast. The protection software has to be quite good, since Windows is always under atttack, and these programs are more expensive. Many system crashes, some of which are the result of program protection software. I would like to try other platforms, but I am stuck with Windows compatible software. Maybe I will try Apple next.
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3/22/2014 | 1:05:03 PM
Re: Windows 8.1 - further and ever downward in quality
And then there is Outlook 2013 - bad enough on the desktop with that white/grey/wased out blue look. Try it online with MS365 and it is even worse. The UI people must have been away sick when this was designed. If only we could still download Office 2010 with 365!
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7/31/2014 | 4:48:07 PM
Re: Windows 8.1 - further and ever downward in quality
I think older windows are better. Windows 8 BREAKS at the most silliest things.
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3/22/2014 | 1:15:41 PM
Moving to Mac - Paralells runs Windows better than my PC!
I bought this all singing all dancing PC 9 months ago mainly for the SQL server apps I need to run but it came with Win8, now on Win 8.1. I am just about tearing my hair out using it so I am thinking about dumping it for just a data backup system and moving to a MAC Mini - My 2010 Macbook pro already runs Windows better and faster than this Lenovo with 12g ram and 2T disk + windows 8. If only I could just load Mac OSX on it legally!

My SQL server apps will run just fine in Coherence view like they are native.
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4/20/2014 | 11:14:26 AM
Re: Moving to Mac - Paralells runs Windows better than my PC!
FYI: it is not illegal to install a Mac operating system on a non-apple piece of hardware. It can be messy and it violates the terms of service for the operating system, meaning you will not get technical support from Apple, but it is not illegal.
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3/27/2014 | 3:07:48 PM
Why do people make such a fuss?
First, I have a Surface Pro 2 with Windows 8.1 and I absolutely love it! It is the most versatile, powerful, easy to use and flexible pad/laptop in existence. Windows 8 or 8.1 (I didn't notice much of a difference) has worked great right from the start. I love the clean icon menu. I do the heavy lifting on the desktop. Now, if I was a Mac user, I might lose myself in all the features and flexibility. I sympathize with those that have little use for a full laptop operating system. Those users go for a Mac and are very happy. Myself, I can't see myself limiting my use of a computer to that extent. besides, a Mac doesn't have touch screen or a stylus, and you can't instantly have two apps on screen at once to review and note, etc. The same argument goes for iOS and Android or Windows. I can't live without these features because I use them. One is not better than the other, one just does a lot more than the other (Windows).
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4/29/2014 | 9:38:44 PM
Win 8.1 a Disaster
I am 72 years of age and have handled DOS and every OS of MicroSoft ... I purchased a new computer with Win 8 and spent 10 months in an abyss of trouble and darkness ... then I was promised a relief with Win 8.1 ... which is an absolute disaster ... I never thought I would say this but I am about to purchase a Steve Jobs Apple laptop ASAP ... I'm done with Windows and Dell for ever. 
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7/6/2014 | 11:46:00 AM
Re: Win 8.1 a Disaster
My feelings exactlt .New computer is just plain garbage .Service is the worst !
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8/4/2014 | 2:56:23 PM
Re: Win 8.1 a Disaster
I am 73 and have used computers since 1983.  Have used Windows since it first came on the market.  Windows 8 is confusing and time-consuming to use.  Now 8..1 has uninstalled my printers, though one worked fine with 8 and the second one, brand new, wiil not install though Microsoft says it is compatible.  I too am a future customer of the Apple store.
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8/8/2014 | 1:56:35 PM
This is america??
Wow.... to all of you who can't learn to use a simple interface and are so desperate and needy for a start menu..... you dissapoint me. May I remind you that macs don't have a start menu of any sort either? I find that Windows 8 is so easy to learn, i picked it up in less than a week! Instead of whining about change, embrace the future. Because this is what we are going to be looking at all over the place from now on. Really, it's not that hard. Pick up a guide and get going. And by the way, I like all OS's so I'm not on anyone's side. 
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