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Microsoft: No IE Patch For Windows XP

Hackers are already exploiting a new Internet Explorer flaw. Microsoft promises a fix -- but not for Windows XP.

Homeland Security says to avoid IE until Microsoft issues a fix -- but even then, Windows XP users will be left in the cold.
(Source: cooling999, deviantart.com)
Homeland Security says to avoid IE until Microsoft issues a fix -- but even then, Windows XP users will be left in the cold.
(Source: cooling999, deviantart.com)

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Li Tan
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Li Tan,
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5/3/2014 | 10:26:26 PM
Re: Why does anyone use IE?
In addition to IE, we do have other choices. Nowadays I use more FF compared to IE. But it's hard to predict and regulate end-user behavior. Many users will still use IE. The lack of support for IE on Windows XP will be really problematic at least for certain period of time.
TerryB
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5/1/2014 | 12:28:04 PM
Re: Why does anyone use IE?
@jgherbert  Yeah, I've had to take a similar approach. I'm using Ext JS now for client side browsers. Since my apps are targeted for internal users, I've "standardized" on IE9 and Chrome (version 34 now). I actually do my primary testing in Chrome since I prefer their debugger, then make sure IE9 (or higher) can run the app also. Pain in rear end but still beats what the poor guys who write for internet have to deal with. At least you don't have to insert all that conditional code testing which browser and running code specific to them.

We can only hope HTML5 lives up to it's promise and makes all this go away. I'm sure Microsoft, Google and Mozilla guys will join hands and, while singing Kumba Ya, make all their browsers work the same. And then next day pigs will be flying.  ;-)
jgherbert
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4/30/2014 | 10:56:27 PM
Re: Why does anyone use IE?
@TerryB, you're quite right. Microsoft has done a bang up job of locking people into their software whether by limiting support in other browsers than IE, using ActiveX plugins for functionality, integrating with MS Office, or whatever. If you use all those things, then the experience without doubt is much better than if you were to try the same with Chrome and Openoffice or similar ;-) So you have my sympathies about your WSS3.0 sites.

A previous company I was at designed everything only to work in IE. Why? Because it was standard, they were a MS partner, and it is much easier to make web pages work in a single browser than to work consistently across at least 2 or 3 others as well (which means it's cheaper to develop the sites).
jgherbert
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4/30/2014 | 10:56:27 PM
Re: Why does anyone use IE?
@TerryB, you're quite right. Microsoft has done a bang up job of locking people into their software whether by limiting support in other browsers than IE, using ActiveX plugins for functionality, integrating with MS Office, or whatever. If you use all those things, then the experience without doubt is much better than if you were to try the same with Chrome and Openoffice or similar ;-) So you have my sympathies about your WSS3.0 sites.

A previous company I was at designed everything only to work in IE. Why? Because it was standard, they were a MS partner, and it is much easier to make web pages work in a single browser than to work consistently across at least 2 or 3 others as well (which means it's cheaper to develop the sites).
jgherbert
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jgherbert,
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4/30/2014 | 10:46:42 PM
Re: Why does anyone use IE?
I have some sympathy where legacy software means a company is locked into XP. 

Wait, but do I? The end of XP support has been touted for a long time - long enough to investigate and migrate to alternatives. I suspect there are very few apps that can't, for a cost, be replaced with something else. If the companies haven't sorted this out yet, then it sounds like they've got another year's grace because in 12 months, that'll be it - and those legacy systems have just become a huge potential risk to the business.
Lorna Garey
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4/30/2014 | 3:42:32 PM
Re: Why does anyone use IE?
Exactly -- if you're using XP/IE on your home system (and it has the hardware specs to support a newer OS) then I don't have much sympathy. But plenty of companies are locked into this software because of legacy stuff or critical functions that just don't work elsewhere. It's never as simple as moving 500 end users to Linux. Ever.
anon8505928247
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4/30/2014 | 2:48:55 PM
MS only "selling" XP updates now, not "giving" them away
For those of us with Enterprise Agreements or other arrangements with Microsoft, we are paying for updates for Windows XP at least for another year.  Plus, those using Windows XP Embedded (like 95% of ATM machines) will continue to get XP updates from Microsoft for about two years.

Microsoft IS developing and testing updates for Windows XP, how else could they be selling the to the governments of Great Britain, Netherlands, etc.

Yes, Windows XP is 13 years old, but that doesn't mean it won't continue to be used, sometimes by the fault of slow-moving IT departments, other times by vendors, other times by feature retirement by Microsoft.  Many reason that XP will exist for a while and not disappear quickly.  We all wish it would go away, but it cannot.
TerryB
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4/30/2014 | 2:26:21 PM
Re: Why does anyone use IE?
@teapartcitizen.  Yeah, just as illogical as cashing your SSN check while aligning your political views against big government.

Dude, we run a business here. We use MS Active Directory, Win 7 computers and free Sharepoint (wss 3.0) variety. Besides the fact IE is already loaded on computers, you ever see what Firefox and Chrome can do to that old wss 3.0 HTML code? If we are going to take time to install Chrome/Firefox on all of our 80 desktops and maintain the life cycle of those, you better believe we will have a good reason.

This isn't it. MS will patch. Switching browsers doesn't guarantee any security. I seen apps, heck I've written apps, which work in one browser perfectly but have some glitch (usually visual) in another. That's the world the browser wars have spawned.

So don't equate your preference for one of these browsers over another as something everyone should do. Like most things, it's just not that simple.
SaneIT
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4/30/2014 | 9:42:35 AM
Re: Why does anyone use IE?
My biggest issue with IE is that people who use it as their primary browser are so set in their ways that short of uninstalling or disabling it even with this exploit you will not convince them to stop using it even temporarily.   I also didn't expect the XP support issue to jump up and bite everyone so quickly but I'm kind of glad that it did, now maybe some people will take it seriously.
jgherbert
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4/30/2014 | 12:59:06 AM
Re: Why does anyone use IE?
"IE has made some big advances in recent versions, but this new vulnerability on the heels of XP's end-of-life will turn a lot of people to Chrome, Firefox or Safari (if they're on a Mac)."

 

Hey, you can get Safari for Windows too. I avoid Firefox these days - it's bloated and slow. Chrome whoops FF's ass every day of the week. Still, with a 50+% market share, a bug in IE is a bad thing even when it's on a supported problem. With the suspected number of active but unsupported Windows XP boxes out there, this may be a painful lesson for many people.
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