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Windows 9: What We Know

With Windows 8.1 floundering, Windows 9 rumors have picked up steam. What can you expect from the next version of Windows?

To some users' chagrin, Windows 8.1 brought back the Start button but not the Start menu.
To some users' chagrin, Windows 8.1 brought back the Start button but not the Start menu.

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Lorna Garey
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1/15/2014 | 3:04:38 PM
On purpose?
Microsoft has done the "good release > bad release > good release" dance for so long that you have to wonder if they don't crap up alternate versions of Windows on purpose, just to stay in the news.
Thomas Claburn
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1/15/2014 | 3:56:36 PM
Re: On purpose?
There's something sad about the fact that Windows is buttressed by the public's inability to imagine word processing and spreadsheets beyond Office and about the fact that the presence or absence of the Start menu matters to people. I wish Microsoft would focus on apps and operating system capabilities that blow people's minds rather than mulling ways to get people to pay for more or less the same commodity functionality every two or three years.
PaulS681
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1/15/2014 | 7:23:52 PM
Re: On purpose?
@ Lorna.. It does seem that way doesnt it. But I can't believe they are making money when they do this. It's a mystery why a company like MS thinks it knows better than the users of its OS.
danielcawrey
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1/16/2014 | 11:59:21 AM
Re: On purpose?
What's the point of upgrading an existing PC to Windows 8? There isn't a really good defining reason to do so. Sure, new computers come with the OS standard. But if people were expecting a similar experience when they got version 8.0, they were in for a bewildering episode. 

I'm not sure what Microsoft is planning for version 9, but just adding new features and a refreshed UI is really not compelling enough. 
wht
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1/28/2014 | 7:05:19 PM
Re: On purpose?
That's a bad thought.  I happen to like Win 8.1, waiting for 9 to be even better.
PaulS681
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1/15/2014 | 7:21:56 PM
MS Repeating itself
Isn't this getting old with MS? Windows Me was a failure. Vista was also a failure and Windows 7 was the fix. Now is Windows 9 going to be the fix for 8? Atleast they are fixing things but why are they breaking Windows in the first place?
Gary_EL
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1/15/2014 | 10:33:19 PM
The fun REALLY starts in April
I'm not doing anything different on my Windows 7 machine than I did on my XP machine - there are no new "killer apps" that call for a new OS. The only reasons I even "updated" to 7 were a broken motherboard and XP's upcoming abandonment. Like so many others, I do most things on the cloud, so the OS gets more and more irrelevant. If my impending Chromebook laptop works out, when MS prematurely obsoletes 7 and expects me to shell out again for 9 - I won't.

BTW - it'll be interesting when systems and operations dependant on XP machines supposedly isolated from the internet start failing from virus attacks, and airline reservation systems, ATM networks, retail cash registers and I'm almost afraid to think of what else stop working, it'll be fun watching the government to start forcing Microsoft to provide a fix for "obsolete" XP systems.
Li Tan
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1/16/2014 | 12:29:53 AM
Re: The fun REALLY starts in April
My attitude is the same - except there is good reason or really killing apps, I won't upgrade from Win8 to Win9. I rely heavily on cloud and web-based applications. The exact OS is not of much importance to me. What I need from OS is the usability and stability. Bringing back the Start menu is a good thing but this is not a strong enough justification for me to go for Win9.
wht
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1/28/2014 | 7:01:10 PM
Re: The fun REALLY starts in April
If Win 9 is free or just a few $$ I would upgrade, and not wait.  Will likely cost more later on.
concrete
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1/23/2014 | 5:41:24 AM
Re: The fun REALLY starts in April
Fingers crossed they'll add in some of Jays great fixes for Windows 8. Not sure im happy with 'apps' being usable in floating panels tho... it seems like too much of a compromise. There should be a clear split between finger friendly apps and mouse users... something thats fixed on installation and gives either use the best possible experience IMHO.
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1/16/2014 | 10:55:13 AM
Not Sure I Agree...
[QUOTE]But from bringing back to the Start button to using the name "Windows 9" instead of "Windows 8.x"[/QUOTE]

Does bumping a product's version number indicate the prior version is a failure?  What if we applied that to Android and iOS releases?  While I don't disagree that there are plenty of things about Windows 8.x that still don't appeal to customers, I disagree that not using 8.2 or 8.3 or 8.5 is evidence of it being a failure.

While it's probably too late, Windows 8.1 did fix most of the "dead ends" that folks experienced in Windows 8.  (For example when you are using Win8 desktop IE on a non-touch device and you click on a PDF.  Out of the box, the metro PDF viewer appears and it's not at all obvious how to get back to the browser.)

[QUOTE]It will also allow Modern apps, currently confined to the tile-oriented Start screen, to be run in floating windows on the desktop, presumably just like legacy applications.[/QUOTE]

While I welcome the ability run tiled apps in windows on the desktop, I still sense disconnect when folks continue to write about the "two sides" of Windows.  Modern tiled apps are really just maximized Windows without borders running on the "desktop".  (Of course desktop is really just a virtual term but...)  For that matter, the new tiled start menu is no different than any modern app.  Of course we could also turn that around and say that the classic desktop is simply a maximized window without borders too.  Perhaps this will demonstrate my point:  On a device loaded with x86 Win 8.x, go to the desktop and open the familiar task manager.  Resize the task manager window so that it's perhaps the 1/4 the size of the desktop (or smaller if you want).  Select Options from the menu and select "Always on top".  Now go back to the "tiled menu".  Start a modern application.  Start a desktop application.

It's all just smoke and mirrors.  I get it that people don't like it but why does it take Microsoft 15 months to make metro apps run as resizable windows on a desktop?  I also understand we can have the start button back and another third party add-on even enables Metro apps to run as windows on the desktop RIGHT NOW.  If these strategies are THAT important to the success of Windows 9, it seems Microsoft could release Windows 8.2 this spring.  Since this is all just smoke and mirrors, I also suspect it's possible that 8.2 could allow folks to customize their experience and choose whether or not they want the old or new or new-new start menu and whether or not they want to run modern touch apps in windows on the classic desktop.

Of course if they do this, do they risk fragmenting the user experience to the point where developers cringe at testing all the ways folks could be trying to use their apps?  Some modern apps already suffer from 8.1's ability to run on lower screen resolutions.  There are also apps that don't behave properly when using the split-screen app view.  Along with potentially infinite resolutions, infinite desktop window sizes and various forms of split-screen options, it sounds like an even bigger mess that's the worn out topic of almost every blogger and tech journalist.
Michael Endler
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1/16/2014 | 4:35:53 PM
Re: Not Sure I Agree...
Thanks for the great thoughts.

"Does bumping a product's version number indicate the prior version is a failure?"

I definitely see your point-- and I agree: bumping a product's version number doesn't intrinsically signal that the previous version failed. But Thurrott's source seems to have indicated that Microsoft is opting for Windows 9 expressly to differentiate the product from Windows 8. In the context he presented, the implication isn't that Win 9 is just a new iteration; it's that Win 9 is a new iteration that has to undue the bad will caused by Windows 8. It's not quite the same situation as iOS bumping from version 3 to version 4, or something like that.
anon9146533713
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1/16/2014 | 12:01:12 PM
While I do love W8 dearly . . .
I have to say that the PM decision to force a touch optimized interface (Metro) down the throats of users on non-touch enabled devices (laptops/PCs), and then disable features that made the product useful on non-touch enabled devices (no boot to desktop/removal of Start Menu), had to be one of the most bone-headed decisions in the history of Microsoft.

Don't get me wrong, I think W8 is a great OS, and coming up with a single OS that looks and works great on all devices is a great idea. But the feature choice that went into the original W8 has to rank as one of the worst blunders in IT history.

 
moonwatcher
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1/16/2014 | 12:08:02 PM
Microsoft should buy some good will and now is the time to do it.
Given that millions of PCs are still running XP and that Microsoft is pulling the plug come April 8th, they ought to provide Windows 7 upgrades for nearly free to this vast installed user base. That would at least win back some of the consumer good will they have lost with the Windows 8 fiasco.

This would also help prevent the proliferation of malware due to all those unpatched XP boxes.

If Microsoft truly cared about their customers they would at least entertain this idea.
rradina
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1/16/2014 | 2:04:12 PM
Re: Microsoft should buy some good will and now is the time to do it.
While I won't disagree that the cost of a Windows license is hard to swallow, for over a decade they've provided free XP patches.  It might be reasonable for them to offer XP folks a reduced-cost license.  Oh -- wait....didn't they already do that when Vista debuted, again when Windows 7 debuted and yet again when Windows 8 debuted?  While Microsoft can certainly afford this and I agree that it would build good will, it certainly isn't because Microsoft doesn't deserve something from XP folks.  There's also those folks who are still running on original XP-class hardware.  I think they've more than received a fair value for their initial purchase and other than keeping the good will of a loyal customer, I can't see how Microsoft owes them a free upgrade.
moonwatcher
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1/16/2014 | 3:19:09 PM
Re: Microsoft should buy some good will and now is the time to do it.
Not free maybe, but how about say $39 for for a limited time for those upgrading from XP to Windows 7. Many with XP did not take advantage of the $39 Windows 8 upgrade deal because there was some confusion as to whether you could even install it on a motherboard that didn't support UEFI. If they could offer Windows 8 for $39, surely they wouldn't be losing much by providing Windows 7 for the same price. 

Don't forget that Vista was received badly, perhaps even worse than Windows 8, so people had little incentive to upgrade to it. Later on when Windows 7 came out, people were by then just comfortable with XP and stuck with it, seeing little benefit in upgrading. But now that XP has reached end of life, people DO have valid, imperative reasons to upgrade.

Either that, or go out and buy a new box with Windows 7, throw a flavor of Linux on the old box, and wait and see if Microsoft will throw out a "deal" for Windows 9 in 15 months.

I just hate to see all these millions of XP boxes end up in landfills simply because people didn't perceive them as being worth upgrading, hence making that upgrade "cheap" might allow them to be used for several more years.
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1/17/2014 | 2:57:22 AM
Windows 9: Good to know
It doesnt matter how advance the OS is, but it should be easy to use and simple. I am a windows 7 user, windows 8 was good but had few issues like simplicity and what is where. I am working for a big MNC but our IT department is not recomending the 8th OS. Lets see how it goes with 9.
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1/26/2014 | 3:45:13 PM
windows upgrades
i dont understand users , personally i am a windows 8.1 user and im absolutely love it. I dont need the start button and im tired of using floating icons. Dont you get tired of using the same appearance for me metro interface was not bad at all. I personally think some people are just afraid of new things. We got to change this attitude or and embrace new innovatoons and stick to old ones. Moving forwards creates new things .
Matt Healy
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3/9/2014 | 8:31:16 AM
Like New Coke and Coke Classic
So in 2015 Microsoft may bring back features they introduced in 1995!
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