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Windows XP Won't Go Quietly

With Microsoft's end-of-life deadline for Windows XP just three months away, three out of four IT pros still must support the OS.
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gmtrmt
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1/7/2014 | 9:59:26 AM
XP Wont Die Easily
From experience the problem is not apathy. Instead many businesses have encumbant systems that rely on specific technology being in place. It is these systems not the basic desktop machine, that are most at risk and that require more than simply popping in a windows 8 CDROM, whats more as these systems can be around 10 years old, their specifications need upgrading too which means more expense and frustration as old systems get upgraded to new. My advice is take any old XP machines off the network or protect them from being web enabled, take out the CDROM, disk and USB ports to minimise the ability for people to access and embed viruses and other exploits.
Whoopty
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1/7/2014 | 10:29:15 AM
Re: XP Wont Die Easily
As gmtrmt pointed out, I think the redundant hardware is often the problem. Moving to Windows 7 or 8 is a reasonable upgrade even for office machines and there may even need to be a change from 32 bit to 64 bit processors, which could mean an upgrade for even somewhat recent machines if they were on the lower end of the performance scale when they were purchased. 
Trike
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1/7/2014 | 12:12:20 PM
Re: XP Wont Die Easily
Lots of businesses still used punchcards, even into the new century. Inertia is a powerful thing. But even as a consumer, I'd run XP before I ever considered Win8, even if Microsoft gave me the OS *and* the PC it ran on for free. It really is a nightmare to use.
the5thHorseman
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1/7/2014 | 2:55:44 PM
Re: XP Wont Die Easily
XP will not be going anywhere soon. There is far too much banking, security, point of sale, ATM and custom, business specific software out there that has not been ported to Windows 7 or 8 for the countless reasons littering forums across the web. And Microsoft doesn't care. This EOL for XP is simply their embarrassing last ditch effort to force you to buy their next dysfunctional and woefully inadequate operating system. I believe these survey numbers are a bunch of crap as well, another attempt to influence upgrades through the illusion that others are already doing it. They are not. It would be interesting to hear from the Banking industry directly, what are your plans to "upgrade"? I still see A LOT of XP out there, and I don't see these business applications moving. Nor do I see Microsoft offering to help their customers move. All they offer is to charge you more money for more of their crapware. They sell a product, NOT solutions. Why consumers will give their hard earned money to a corporation that handles their customers this way is beyond me. I guess perhaps the same reason  that Americans refuse to get off their butts and vote, even thought their government is running wild and fleecing them through taxation and grossly violating their privacy and civil rights. Apparently, Americans like being slapped around and abused...  Anyway, if you need to continue running XP, there are several ways to sandbox the system via virtualization; run it as a VM on a secure platform, like Linux. Another good option is using products like DeepFreeze to protect the system "image" .  Taking systems that do not need internet acess off the network will greatly increase security. Installing hardware firewalls in front of those that need internet access and locking down any port not actually in use will help as well. Ultimately, you really need to look at another OS eventually, and Linux has some great candidates that are well supported, like Ubuntu or Mint, as well as well known distros like Redhat and Cent. Lots of altenatives out there... you do have a choice.
anon7434634082
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1/7/2014 | 3:24:06 PM
Re: XP Wont Die Easily
Microsoft has never said that XP is obsolete. MS ending support for it is simply a business decision that is no longer beneficial financially.

BTW, while you're busy trashing MS try to find another single edition of a consumer OS from Apple or Google that has been actively supported half as long as XP has by Microsoft.
BGREENE292
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1/8/2014 | 2:10:03 AM
Re: XP Wont Die Easily
But that is the point-- Microsoft does have a continued business case to make for XP suppport. The problem is MS wants to promote a newer Windows and boost profits, and so must deny XP a future for "business reasons".

Although you would credit Microsoft with implied generosity for continuing XP for more than a decade, the decision was based on user demand, not MS generosity. Again, the MS decision is based on the need to promote Windows 7 and 8, not a deficiency with XP, per se.
danielcawrey
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1/8/2014 | 11:16:41 AM
Re: XP Wont Die Easily
XP was a great operating system back in its day. But come on, seriously? We're still using this thing? Why hasn't Microsoft come up with better incentives to replace XP? After all, upgrades make Microsoft money. 

It's probably the support component of XP. Maybe the removal of such by Microsoft will aid in all of us moving on finally. 
Laurianne
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1/7/2014 | 11:41:10 AM
windows xp
Next time you are running errands, count how many times you see XP in a retail or hospitality setting -- store counter, hotel desk, etc. The results will surprise you. Companies have XP deployed in many customer-facing settings, still.
Somedude8
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1/7/2014 | 2:10:32 PM
Re: windows xp
This is exactly the part that worries me!
KevinRCasey
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1/7/2014 | 3:50:01 PM
Re: windows xp
Very true. XP definitely still visible in consumer retail/hospitality contexts. Oleg Moskalensky, an IT pro I interviewed for a different XP story last summer, shared this photo (via Google+) soon after that piece ran:



 
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1/7/2014 | 8:34:58 PM
Re: windows xp
And how long will Microsoft allow us to access and download Windows Updates?

A specific senario would be a format and install of Windows without any updates applied.
BGREENE292
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1/8/2014 | 2:00:16 AM
Re: windows xp
Launched in 2001, Windows XP is the most field-proven Windows OS ever, and Microsoft users, not Microsoft, made much of that possible. Windows XP users reported problems, they vetted solutions, and third-party developers formed a rich XP-oriented infrastructure that survives to this day.

Because of XP's sprawling, global user base, more hardware is ready for XP than any other Windows OS. That univerality, alone, permits us to stay with XP, and go on to more important things. After all, we run an OS to do work, and it makes no sense to "migrate" at Microsoft urging to anything else.
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1/7/2014 | 1:28:04 PM
Another scare, similar to the last
This reminds me of all the work around making sure Y2K wasn't going to bite. Most won't see any big difference when the support lapses. Actually, I might finally get my pc to quit trying to install the same 2 updates unsuccessfully for the past few months.

From my experience most malicious software gets installed because someone clicked something they shouldn't have, and that won't change no matter what version you're running.
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1/7/2014 | 1:37:17 PM
Not broke then don't fix it

XP does a lot of things very well.  The old adage "if its not broken don't fix it" comes to mind particularly in business.  If you have a hotel chain with say 1000+ XP machines available for customers to use the cost to replace them is significant with what advantage?  A Win7 machine won't do anything better that the XP machine did for customers, mostly browse the web and check email.  While a Win8 machine will just give the hotel's support personnel migraines.  Microsoft has already forced this hotel chain to install an alternate browser (Chrome or FireFox) since Microsoft only allows I.E. 8 on XP.  The chain will probable look at Chromebooks as the XP replacement.

gfouts15
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1/7/2014 | 1:57:47 PM
Re: Not broke then don't fix it
If your job is to manage IT infrastructure and you failed to plan for this or any other technology changes, either you are incompetent, without vision, without power or a combination of these.  This isn't something that just came up.  This is the CIO/CTO's job to manage technology and the transition of such!  All this is really doing is exposing many CIO/CTO's poor decisions and lack of planning.  Seriously, if all you ever had to do was install software once and be done, anyone could do it.  Apparently too many in IT positions of power don't know what they are supposed to be doing there.
DDURBIN1
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1/7/2014 | 2:05:02 PM
Re: Not broke then don't fix it
@gfouts15,, Apparently you must work where money is overly abundant to the IT department.  How does one get your job?
gfouts15
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1/7/2014 | 2:16:07 PM
Re: Not broke then don't fix it
So tell me, when someone installs all these Windows machines (or any other software for that matter), do you expect you will not have to switch them out at some point, maybe in 10 years?!  If you are stuck with limited budget, do the Executives understand this issue?  Did long term planning for this scenario ever take place?  It isn't a matter of having money as everyone complains about budgets.  The issue is planning for obsolesence which is a really big deal and apparently a pretty common oversight.
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1/7/2014 | 2:49:58 PM
Re: Not broke then don't fix it

@gfouts15,  29% of the computers in the world still run Windows XP. This is close to 600 million machines. How could this still be?  XP is not obsolete just because Microsoft says it is. So you propose spending let's say $500 per machine for this hotel?  Remember now that Win7/8 machines do exactly the same thing that currently happily running XP machines do. What does the $500,000 get for the hotel's bottom line?  Hey, I agree with you but for those that count the pennies it's not so clear on the benefits.  They usually choose to replace/fix when broken.

boohoo
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1/7/2014 | 5:27:07 PM
Re: Not broke then don't fix it
Are you forgetting that we have just come out of the worst recession since 1929? Many businesses have barely survived and do not have the resources to upgrade at this point. Even the best laid plans have gone asunder during these tryin times.
ChrisW383
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1/11/2014 | 10:31:24 AM
Re: Not broke then don't fix it
I believe the same thing, I think Microsoft should sell Windows 8 and 8.1 at a massive discount like 20-40 USD to give us some incentive to just upgrade already. It is extremely cost prohibitive to upgrade. Meanwhile WineHQ gets better along with Linux and everything chugs away from Windows to a new platform. Android updates are free for mobile devices and they are porting Android 5 to PC soon. If I as a user can simply look at it from this stand point, an already well established OS, then I would be more apt to choosing it. If I as a developer look at it like this, then there will be a massive incentive to continue to program for Android and add some desktop support to their applications.

One could argue Ubuntu as well. Steam now runs on virtually every Linux OS out there provided that dependencies are met. While not as established as Android, many small business I know run Linux because the stock market runs it, entire countries run it, governments run it.

Apple are selling their OS for free now provided you buy a Mac. This is a purchasing decision a company can make for future computer upgrades.

I guess the point I am trying to make is this, the OS is becoming the next browser war. Free vs paid. And free seems to win out when it gets tight or cost prohibitive to continue paying for upgrades.
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1/16/2014 | 12:32:54 PM
Re: Not broke then don't fix it
If Microsoft wants me to use Windows 8, they'll have to pay me, not the other way around.
anon4816484582
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7/13/2014 | 9:55:15 PM
XP will go away when we get a better OS!!!!
It's a lot more than that.  I support several hundred PCs and 99% of them are running XP.  Yes, this includes brand new computers.

The problem is that with each "upgrade" MicroSoft makes the OS worse and worse.  With Win7, they changed most names for commands, for no reason. Making it much harder to use.  Explorer much harder to use.  Networking far harder.  Most support tasks I can do in XP in minutes takes me hours in Win7.  Often without a satisfactory outcome.  I leave with my fingers crossed rather than confident in my work.  How can I charge $160 an hour for 4hrs when it should take me an hour?


Then, Win8.  Not even a PC OS!  Some crap for phones.  Nearly impossible to use.  This is the real reason for the crash in computer sales.  No one wants a PC with Win8.  MS must be run by a committees full of morons with their hair wedged up and neon colored clothes.  Geeze!

 

 
m.c.crockett
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1/7/2014 | 1:58:20 PM
One Windows Application
I continue to run Windows XP in a virtual machine to support one application.  I don't see any pressing need to upgrade to a newer version of the Windows operating system.  Upgrading Windows isn't a cost effective option.
IT-security-gladiator
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1/7/2014 | 2:22:27 PM
Re: One Windows Application
I use Robolinux a very professional, user friendly OS, which provides a highly innovative one click XP virtual machine installer . The best part is since all the XP data resides inside the Robolinux partition, XP is 100 % immune to viruses and malware. This is an excellent solution for those who cannot afford to upgrade or cannot upgrade.
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1/8/2014 | 1:48:49 AM
Re: One Windows Application
Robolinux neatly circumvents the whole issue of Windows insecurity. For those who need to remain with XP, for one reason or another, this is a cost-effective address.
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1/8/2014 | 12:03:29 AM
Stock Up!
I hadn't thought about all the retail and banking systems that still run XP now, and certainly will still be running XP on April 8th. Unlike Y2K, it seems like a lot of people who should know better are completely ignoring this. I'm going to make sure I have a little extra cash on hand, and plenty of milk and eggs in the fridge when the fateful day arrives. Now, I'm glad my motherboard cracked late last year and my new machine sports Windows 7, not that it can do ANYTHING better that XP did.
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1/8/2014 | 1:54:48 AM
New Computers Aren't Free
Unless MS wants to buy me a new computer, I will have to continue using XP.
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1/11/2014 | 10:48:54 PM
Re: New Computers Aren't Free
@6 one way half a dozen another

Unless MS wants to buy me a new computer, I will have to continue using XP.

I feel your pain. I was in similar situation not long ago, until one client gave me a copy of Windows 7 as payment a few years back.
My 2nd box still has XP, and call me crazy, it's running with no antivirus.
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1/10/2014 | 11:54:24 PM
Evolve, use a 'nux distro instead
Provided that the system is taken offline, XP poses absolutely no problem. In fact, I plan to keep my XP box indefinitely as it is the workhorse for the heavy lifting digital endeavors. OTOH, the abandoning of XP by MS has inspired me and millions of other power users to desert Windoze permanently in favor of 'nux distros and mobile devices. Windows has been becoming increasingly bloated with each successively dumbed down version since XP, and, Win8 is just a steaming pile of fail. Those who are tired of the MS OS treadmill and willing to learn will simply move on to the next step on the OS evolutionary ladder.
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1/11/2014 | 2:41:55 PM
Re: Evolve, use a 'nux distro instead
The only problem with that plan is that sooner or later, you'll move a file to your XP system, perhaps via flash drive. It could countain a virus that that your XP system has no way to protect against. The computer will then become useless. Your only recourse will be to reinstall XP from the disks that you have, hopefully, saved. And, of course, the XP that you reinstall may or may not have the service packs, no longer available from MS, that your software might need.

I'm looking into chromebooks myself.
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