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TerryB
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11/24/2014 | 1:27:52 PM
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Isn't Bender what a human artificial intelligience would look like? It seems so obvious. :-)

I don't know about a formal test but this would fall into the "I'll know it when I see it" category. We are light years from that now.
David Wagner
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11/24/2014 | 1:26:51 PM
Re: Turing, Tracy and Hepburn
@jastroff- True enough about how some visionaries nail it. I stand corrected.

It is interesting you bring up "being observant" as I feel like that is a growing strength of computers. One thing that always bugged me about Data in Star Trek is that he couldn't see behind himself. I get the idea that he was artificial life, but would you have put sensors in places other than his eyes? 

The great thing about computers/robots is that they should be able to see more than we do. We can put "eyes" and "ears" all over them. 
David Wagner
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11/24/2014 | 12:57:42 PM
Re: Turing test, a worth persuit?
@Pedro- I agree with you that Deep Blue winning at chess doesn't make it smart. And even Watson winning at Jeopardy doesn't make it intelligent.

But let's face it, computers are getting smarter. We are tasking them with making more interesting and more complicated decisions on our behalf. Don't we need to be able to test computers as they get smarter so we know exactly how much we can trust them with? And what we can trust them to do?
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11/24/2014 | 4:34:13 AM
Re: Turing, Tracy and Hepburn
"What might work? A test for how a problem is approached and solved, and the ability to be a good observer. The second one might give computers some problems if they can't see the entire room/environment and interpret actions and artifacts. "

Jastroff, observation is very important, where most of us are lacking. For any test or problem, keen observation is important for analyzing the issues.
Gigi3
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11/24/2014 | 4:25:24 AM
Re: Turing test, a worth persuit?
"Just because deep blue beat the best chest player, does that mean that a computer is smart than a human? It can search to various moves ahead of a human, yes.  Is that enough to make it intelligent?.     "

Pedro, never. Computer ca work only on the basis how the information or logics keyed to it; which's again the brain of a programmer. The only thing is it can executed very fast.
jastroff
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11/22/2014 | 1:28:26 PM
Turing, Tracy and Hepburn
@dave – lots of food for thought

Anyone who knows and likes the film Desk Set has a great deal of smarts and good taste. It works on many, many levels as social and scientific testimony.

And you're right, we need a better test for AI, such as it is evolving.

What might work? A test for how a problem is approached and solved, and the ability to be a good observer. The second one might give computers some problems if they can't see the entire room/environment and interpret actions and artifacts. So, speaking and vision would be needed, and a wide corpus of "personal" knowledge and "associations" to other things would be required as well. Reporting it in a coherent and meaningful way is also critical.

Was curious about: "How could its developers conceive of the revolution that was to come when computers were still using vacuum tubes?"

Isn't that what separates the visionaries from the rest of us? Maybe Turing wasn't the best visionary, even though he was a superb scientist.

Best visionary example in that era: Dr. Vannevar Bush and the MEMEX, which in 1945,  he predicted, accurately, the need for a digital desktop for the retrieval and processing of information – which was growing in ever large amounts even then. He saw the need for relational databases and personalized information retrieval. As head of the US Office of Scientific Research and Development during WWII, Bush oversaw all science and technology for the war effort – and maybe had a better grasp of what was to come.  For further info see Wikipedia

We were privileged to have both Turing, Bush, and all the other scientists surrounding them.
PedroGonzales
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11/21/2014 | 11:52:00 PM
Turing test, a worth persuit?
when I think of AI I think of the robots I have read in sci fi books. Robots that support humans on their daily tasks, such as getting help at the airport or flying complicated machinery(ex: something like the iron man computer, if that ever happens).  I think that coming up with a true intelligence test for AI isn't a worthy activity.  Just because deep blue beat the best chest player, does that mean that a computer is smart than a human? It can search to various moves ahead of a human, yes.  Is that enough to make it intelligent?.     

 

 
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